Rumour End Of Season Gossip Part 2

[PattyKwasagun]

Im still banned from the brisbane board lol (18months) is there any posts on Post (pardon the pun)

Most not too keen. I am, for one. Just not sure where he'd fit in in the next year or two. Maguire will be there for another 2, Merrett maybe 3, and Patfull 2 or 3. We've got Justin Clarke developing who most fans have pencilled in as our next CHB (could play the position now if needed, but we've got the depth in that area to not need it), so what we really need is someone who can play fullback in two or three years (whenever both Merrett and Maguire are gone). Not sure Post will want to wait in line behind those two for that long, and the other option really is just playing NEAFL as a depth player.

Up forward, we've got Brown and Lisle, with Retzlaff and Cornelius trying to force their way into key positions too (of course neither may be on our list next year, though). Then there's also Staker who can play that role when he comes back.

I like Post as a player but am just not convinced as to whether or not he'll fit in with the current positions we've got open. There is an argument that if we don't get Tippett though, Merrett will permanently move up forward after showing pretty good signs up there this year for the last few years of his career. In that case, Post could take CHB, Maguire FB, and Patfull the third tall if needed, with Clarke coming in at times to help his development. So in many ways, any chance of Post coming up here would probably depend on whether the Tippett deal gets done.

Board intrusion over for the night

 

[Calcium Man]

He is every bit worth Pick 9. Jetta was 21 when drafted, this kid is 18. He is a good kid, nice lad who loves his footy. Made some silly choices but nothing like what people are trying to suggest. Quiet, shy and just wants to play. In a system that believes in it's development he will flourish. Mark Williams is a great indiginous mentor for obvious reasons, his greatest works were the Burgoyne boys who in the early years had some real issues. Garletts don't come close to what the issues they had, trust me. Yet he nurtured them into fine, long term players who stuck to the straight and narrow. I have no issue at all in taking a player like Garlett early.

I do tend to agree with you about the brotherhood. We have Shane Edwards as our only aboriginal representative, which to me is very poor. Getting in one or two more along with Garlett would create a great environment for him to feel comfortable. But again, we should only take who we believe will be best for us at each given pick. We have a group of great leaders at the club and a playing group that is really close knit and nice guys who will welcome him in. He should have no issues.

Just read that someone said he was too outside? I think many have formed an opinion on him by not watching more than a minute of highlights on him. The kid can do it all, inside/outside, magical, simple. He has a lot of improvement in him, but the foundations are all there. As I said, watch the Vic Metro game against WA and he, Jack Martin and Simpson swung the game back, through hard work, skill and unbelievable pace. Garlett started in the square when WA were making their comeback. Not bad for a too outside player. No doubt he will spend a majority of time outside, but that is his unbelievable strength. His pace is right up to Jetta's, will be the quickest those two in the league. What an asset for us to have, for us a one paced side.

Left foot, penetrating kick, I was the biggest Kennedy fan around, I now believe Garlett would be the better choice. That is how high I rate the lad.

Lastly on Tambling. No. Not going to happen, nor should it. Time to move on.

You've also got me on board, and as you say Mark Williams has a history of getting the best out of indigenous players, The Burgoynes, Pickett, Motlop and probably one or two more i've missed. With the right support structures i cannot see why some one of his talent wouldn't make it.

 

[THE_GUN]

Most not too keen. I am, for one. Just not sure where he'd fit in in the next year or two. Maguire will be there for another 2, Merrett maybe 3, and Patfull 2 or 3. We've got Justin Clarke developing who most fans have pencilled in as our next CHB (could play the position now if needed, but we've got the depth in that area to not need it), so what we really need is someone who can play fullback in two or three years (whenever both Merrett and Maguire are gone). Not sure Post will want to wait in line behind those two for that long, and the other option really is just playing NEAFL as a depth player.

Up forward, we've got Brown and Lisle, with Retzlaff and Cornelius trying to force their way into key positions too (of course neither may be on our list next year, though). Then there's also Staker who can play that role when he comes back.

I like Post as a player but am just not convinced as to whether or not he'll fit in with the current positions we've got open. There is an argument that if we don't get Tippett though, Merrett will permanently move up forward after showing pretty good signs up there this year for the last few years of his career. In that case, Post could take CHB, Maguire FB, and Patfull the third tall if needed, with Clarke coming in at times to help his development. So in many ways, any chance of Post coming up here would probably depend on whether the Tippett deal gets done.

Board intrusion over for the night

From an outsiders point of view it looks like after Merret the lions are 'short for height down back"
Patfull is only 190cm and Maguire is slow and injuries havnt helped him, Clarke is a rookie from memory but i suppose things can work out.

Whats the deal with callum Bartlett, i know he had 2 major knee's but thought he was ready to go this year.
If the deal does go through which player out of the 3 would you like to see traded and which would you hate to see go
Cornilius,Bartlett,karnezis

 

[Calcium Man]

He is every bit worth Pick 9. Jetta was 21 when drafted, this kid is 18. He is a good kid, nice lad who loves his footy. Made some silly choices but nothing like what people are trying to suggest. Quiet, shy and just wants to play. In a system that believes in it's development he will flourish. Mark Williams is a great indiginous mentor for obvious reasons, his greatest works were the Burgoyne boys who in the early years had some real issues. Garletts don't come close to what the issues they had, trust me. Yet he nurtured them into fine, long term players who stuck to the straight and narrow. I have no issue at all in taking a player like Garlett early.

I do tend to agree with you about the brotherhood. We have Shane Edwards as our only aboriginal representative, which to me is very poor. Getting in one or two more along with Garlett would create a great environment for him to feel comfortable. But again, we should only take who we believe will be best for us at each given pick. We have a group of great leaders at the club and a playing group that is really close knit and nice guys who will welcome him in. He should have no issues.

Just read that someone said he was too outside? I think many have formed an opinion on him by not watching more than a minute of highlights on him. The kid can do it all, inside/outside, magical, simple. He has a lot of improvement in him, but the foundations are all there. As I said, watch the Vic Metro game against WA and he, Jack Martin and Simpson swung the game back, through hard work, skill and unbelievable pace. Garlett started in the square when WA were making their comeback. Not bad for a too outside player. No doubt he will spend a majority of time outside, but that is his unbelievable strength. His pace is right up to Jetta's, will be the quickest those two in the league. What an asset for us to have, for us a one paced side.

Left foot, penetrating kick, I was the biggest Kennedy fan around, I now believe Garlett would be the better choice. That is how high I rate the lad.

Lastly on Tambling. No. Not going to happen, nor should it. Time to move on.

I've read a couple of articles on him that from those close to him they would prefer he moved to the eastern seaboard to focus on footy at AFL level.

''I've been told by friends, family, coaches that it would be better if I go over east, and I think it would be good for me, so I could knuckle down and get the job done.''

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/garlett-seeks-a-better-state-20120702-21daf.html

 

[PattyKwasagun]

From an outsiders point of view it looks like after Merret the lions are 'short for height down back"
Patfull is only 190cm and Maguire is slow and injuries havnt helped him, Clarke is a rookie from memory but i suppose things can work out.

Whats the deal with callum Bartlett, i know he had 2 major knee's but thought he was ready to go this year.
If the deal does go through which player out of the 3 would you like to see traded and which would you hate to see go
Cornilius,Bartlett,karnezis

Many were calling for Maguire's de-listing last year but he had an outstanding year before his injury. Can play FB brilliantly. As for Patfull, well, he just won our b&f last night so that sums up how good he is. Plays tall often, and successfully. Shut down Riewoldt and Pav this year in a few of his 'fill in' jobs in a KPD spot.

Clarke is a rookie only because he never went through any talent pathway - not due to lack of ability. He lived on the family farm in regional SA and chose his final year of school over pursuing the various footy development areas, and played his season with the local country team. Word got out about him and a few clubs were interested, but he was very raw. We took him with our first rookie pick to memory, and he's been nothing short of outstanding since joining the club. Has shut down pretty much every single KPF he's played on in the NEAFL (which includes a few gun older players - admittedly not AFL standard, but still very impressive), and has shown a good attacking flair too on the rebound. I don't think I've ever pencilled in a rookie for 10+ years before, but it's done in a heartbeat for Clarke.

Bartlett's an interesting one. He also did his knee in his draft year so didn't play much then, meaning this was really his first year of footy in a long time. That's involved a fair bit of re-learning the game, which has taken it's time. It started with him playing as a tagger, and has developed to him now playing as a rover and a small forward. He's definitely played into the season, and his most recent game (semi final vs NT Thunder) was his most impressive. I, and most other Lions posters, really hope he's given another year, but there's every chance he could be de-listed and picked up on the rookie list (assuming, of course, that no other club swoops first). 3 years with no senior footy just may not be enough to grant him another year on the senior list. Very impressive prospect though, and I imagine there'll be a few watching his effort in the NEAFL Grand Final next Sunday closely.

So I'd hate to see Bartlett or Karnezis go. I'm less against the idea of trading Cornelius, just because he's been around much longer and has had a chance to prove himself yet really hasn't. In saying that, Cornelius really loves the club and doesn't want to leave, but I'm just not sure there's much use keeping him around much longer. It's getting clear (especially if we draft/trade for another KPF this year) that we don't see him as part of our long term plans, so I'd expect to see him put on the trade table to see what we can get for him. A bit sad about that, as I still think he could be a great player, but not devastated.

Our delistees will most likely be Sheldon, Stiller and Hawksley. Any interest in any of them?

 

[THE_GUN]

Unfortunately i havnt really seen enough of brisbane and the mentioned players to be able to say if we would or wouldnt but with our midfield and Flankers. i really cant see how they would get games ahead of
Martin,Cotchin,Newman,Grigg,Delidio,Foley,Conca,Ellis,Edwards,Morris,Houli,Tuck,Helbig + #9 (which should be another quality mid) and looks like Chris Knights coming over

The only way i would see any interest in sheldon & hawksley would be as Rookie selections but wouldnt see any interest in stiller.

Well if the Post to Brisbane trade happens, I'll be hoping that its Karnezis

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Unfortunately i havnt really seen enough of brisbane and the mentioned players to be able to say if we would or wouldnt but with our midfield and Flankers. i really cant see how they would get games ahead of
Martin,Cotchin,Newman,Grigg,Delidio,Foley,Conca,Ellis,Edwards,Morris,Houli,Tuck,Helbig + #9 (which should be another quality mid) and looks like Chris Knights coming over

The only way i would see any interest in sheldon & hawksley would be as Rookie selections but wouldnt see any interest in stiller.

Well if the Post to Brisbane trade happens, I'll be hoping that its Karnezis

Haha, it was said slightly tongue in cheek. The only one there with any real value imo is Hawksley, but his decision making lets him down far too often. Wouldn't be completely shocked if he got another contract with us or someone else, though.

I'd be hoping for Karnezis too if I were a Richmond fan. I'm not though, so I'll be hoping he stays a one club player for his entire career

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

One thing you need to consider is that if it is true that Karnesis is wanting a return home, their will be numerous clubs keen eg. Dogs & Demons will be interested.

What is more important to Pat a return to Melbourne or a placement to a particular club?

I like the large majority of Lions desperately want him to stay. As per the Clark trade last year things are not as simple as the consensus of BF writers believe with trades, and their will be suprise bidders & someone willing to pay a price.

Peace.

 

[richmondtigers9]

what are the chances of getting karnezis in? and could it be a straight swap for post or?

 

[JR#8]

Can anyone confirm Russell or is that one still in progress?

 

[_RT_]

It's a number for Christ sake. Admittedly he has had injuries but the bloke got torn to pieces by VFL forwards this year. Has shown in his AFL games that he lacks heart (maybe because he's a young bloke) and TBH he has hardly played one good game for the club. 3 goals on debut sweet. Marty McGrath kicked 5.

He was a key position forward learning how to play as a key position defender, so its to be expected that he will be made to look foolish at times as he learns the finer points of being a defender. Add to that he hadn't played for near on 18 months and I'm not sure what you expected from him on his return. If you expected him to come back and star from the get go then perhaps you're labelling the wrong people nuffies.

 

[richmond_14]

It's a number for Christ sake. Admittedly he has had injuries but the bloke got torn to pieces by VFL forwards this year. Has shown in his AFL games that he lacks heart (maybe because he's a young bloke) and TBH he has hardly played one good game for the club. 3 goals on debut sweet. Marty McGrath kicked 5.

Played in defence when he is not a defender.
Hadn't played in 18 months.
Came back from a knee reco.
Played for Coburg who, if you watch their games, you will see that they allow the ball to go streaming into their opposition 50 unopposed. Makes it hard for a defender to stop that one mate. Held his own in 1 on 1 contests.

 

[TheTigerArmy]

Lacks heart ie is soft at times. Have you honestly never heard that used in footy before? Have you ever even played the game? I have seen Astbury pull out quite a few times and that shows to me that he lacks heart. Like I said, you can give him some slack because he's fairly young but I'm wanting to see intensity from this guy (and Post) in 2013.

**** me dead some of you blokes are hilarious

Where do I start..."an empty vessel makes the most noise"..that is all made up..cant make ny sense of it..alot of noise about nothing..

 

[TheTigerArmy]

He was a key position forward learning how to play as a key position defender, so its to be expected that he will be made to look foolish at times as he learns the finer points of being a defender. Add to that he hadn't played for near on 18 months and I'm not sure what you expected from him on his return. If you expected him to come back and star from the get go then perhaps you're labelling the wrong people nuffies.

agree...Yep a post with some substance..coxy read and learn..

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Gee Karnezis would be nice for Post, big athletic stringy bodied midfielder/flanker, has shown signs.

For Post gladly, throw in a 3rd rounder if needed

 

[Coxy_]

He was a key position forward learning how to play as a key position defender, so its to be expected that he will be made to look foolish at times as he learns the finer points of being a defender. Add to that he hadn't played for near on 18 months and I'm not sure what you expected from him on his return. If you expected him to come back and star from the get go then perhaps you're labelling the wrong people nuffies.

Didn't call anyone a nuffy, guy. Please don't make things up. It was another poster who said there are nuffies on here because they would consider getting rid of Astbury. Astbury missed 10 months of football for a start, not 18. Bloked got injured in the second half of 2011 and returned in may this year (via Coburg). Did SFA at Coburg and was beaten most weeks.And here I was thinking Astbury played quite a bit of underage as a KPD?

Not sure some of you blokes have played the game to be honest. What is one thing that a player can always bring to the table no matter how much footy they have missed? One quality that a player can always have? I never expected the bloke to star. A bit more hunger would be good though. **** me, a massive unit like Astbury sitting on the outside of packs at Coburg when blokes are fighting for the footy. How about throwing your weight around and getting that footy out to your outside runners? Post is the same with his lack of intensity. It just surprises me when posters get so defensive of a guy who has shown nothing. I said he lacks heart and that he has shown less than Post and I'm set upon. Deary me, I'd hate to see what happens if someone suggests we trade a bloke who has played good senior footy. And RT73, have you changed your opinion of Tuck mate?

 

[Coxy_]

Played in defence when he is not a defender.
Hadn't played in 18 months.
Came back from a knee reco.
Played for Coburg who, if you watch their games, you will see that they allow the ball to go streaming into their opposition 50 unopposed. Makes it hard for a defender to stop that one mate. Held his own in 1 on 1 contests.

Yet Kelvin Moore was quite good when he played there? Jarrod Silvestor was one of the best FB's in the comp for a shit side. They both have something that Astbury currently lacks.

 

[TheTigerArmy]

Yet Kelvin Moore was quite good when he played there? Jarrod Silvestor was one of the best FB's in the comp for a shit side. They both have something that Astbury currently lacks.

 

[richmond_14]

Yet Kelvin Moore was quite good when he played there? Jarrod Silvestor was one of the best FB's in the comp for a shit side. They both have something that Astbury currently lacks.

You also ignored my first 3 points. Convenient. Add to that he's 21. Kel Moore was an experienced AFL defender. Astbury hardly played a game in defence in the AFL. Big differences mate.

Is this bloke Madtiger?? Except instead of an unreasonable love for Post, he has an unreasonable dislike for Astbury...

 

[Coxy_]

You also ignored my first 3 points. Convenient. Add to that he's 21. Kel Moore was an experienced AFL defender. Astbury hardly played a game in defence in the AFL. Big differences mate.

Is this bloke Madtiger?? Except instead of an unreasonable love for Post, he has an unreasonable dislike for Astbury...

My post has clearly gone over your head, dude. My beef isn't with Astbury's talent or even the fact he has been bent over and driven home many times. You'd think most people would understand that if they have read what I have written.

 

[Coxy_]

Don't bother replying if you're not going to offer an opinion, champ. That's not how we do things on this forum

 

[TheTigerArmy]

Don't bother replying if you're not going to offer an opinion, champ. That's not how we do things on this forum

words cant describe your posts...

 

[_RT_]

Didn't call anyone a nuffy, guy. Please don't make things up. It was another poster who said there are nuffies on here because they would consider getting rid of Astbury. Astbury missed 10 months of football for a start, not 18. Bloked got injured in the second half of 2011 and returned in may this year (via Coburg). Did SFA at Coburg and was beaten most weeks.And here I was thinking Astbury played quite a bit of underage as a KPD?

Not sure some of you blokes have played the game to be honest. What is one thing that a player can always bring to the table no matter how much footy they have missed? One quality that a player can always have? I never expected the bloke to star. A bit more hunger would be good though. **** me, a massive unit like Astbury sitting on the outside of packs at Coburg when blokes are fighting for the footy. How about throwing your weight around and getting that footy out to your outside runners? Post is the same with his lack of intensity. It just surprises me when posters get so defensive of a guy who has shown nothing. I said he lacks heart and that he has shown less than Post and I'm set upon. Deary me, I'd hate to see what happens if someone suggests we trade a bloke who has played good senior footy. And RT73, have you changed your opinion of Tuck mate?

My apologies about the nuffies comment, I went back and re-read what was posted.

As for the claims that he has shown nothing, well sorry but that is a crock. Was a rising star nominee in his first year, was given Richos number after his first season and after playing fairly well down back in the second half of his first season was seen as our next long term CHB. Unfortunately he struggled to perform due to a combination of injury to others and poor form, then the injury effectively wiped out 12 months of development for him and when you're trying to convert a forward into a KPD they need continuity to develop properly.

So in effect heading into next year Astbury is still a second year KPP even though it will be his 4th year on the list given he has missed so much time.

As for my Tuck comments I still stand by what I said a couple years ago about him, to his credit though he has turned himself around and is now an important part of the side going forward. Lets hope that Astbury can do the same as well.

 

[Coxy_]

Yeah, that is fair enough. He did show good signs in his firsts season. I got a bit carried away with that comment but I stand by more point. I hope he makes it but where do the club see him next year? Forward, back? With Chaplin coming over it will be hard for Post and Astbury to get a game down back. There is also Vickery to come into side again. Hopefully Dave or Posty can be the 3rd tall forward

 

[Dragonss]

Polecs had a lot of injury trouble hasn't he?

aren't we lucky we got conca instead of him?

You know what, if we don't take a player because of reasons like that, or have issues ourselves that we are unable to develop indigineous players, then we have a bigger problem than we all think. If Garlett is a top 5 player in terms of talent and he is there at 9, we are derelict in our ambitions if we do not take him (if the internal ratings are like that).

With Mark Williams on board now, we should have absolutely no issues with developing indigineous players. He has developed many aboriginal champions in his time and we should not hesitate drafting one if we get the chance.

Also Garlett's problems are not as bad as reputation has got out of it. In fact if people see what he has done since the issues he has had they will see a kid that loves the game and will be a success.

Watch his game against Vic Metro. You will not find a guy that gut runs after disposing a ball like him. His spread is magnificent. Which shows he works damn hard when out on the field.

I am a massive fan of his. I think he would give us so much. We are a tad one paced at the moment. This kid gives us that explosiveness we lack. Adds to us significantly.

Agree with us having Mark Williams will help tremendously, but it doesn't help that it's all about praising him. We've drafted enough solid citizens in Conca and Ellis now it's time to start drafting the excitement machines like with Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Vickery, Riewoldt. Kennedy or Garlett for mine then if O'Rourke and Mayes are gone.

If Mark Williams develops Garlett into a gun, i'll thank GWS.

Anybody have any news on our hunt for fitness staff? Since Burgess has gone to Port.