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[TommyMcG]

Hird has been doing public speaking rounds recently, garnering sympathy from industry insiders, talking of his struggles with depression during the drug saga. On face value, it’s hard not to feel sorry for him. No one should have to go through depression, especially because of a game. However, if you’re of the opinion that Hird is a sociopath, it seems as though he has been carefully manipulating public opinion and that of industry insiders.

We’ve heard many times since his time out of the game, that he still harbours coaching aspirations. Mainly through Mark Robinson. Now he’s returning to AFL, albeit in a commentary capacity, one week after Essendons shocking round 1 defeat. Why now? The timing stinks.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Is it just me......this situation is so bizarre.
How is it possible that this man who has personally tarnished the AFL brand a number of times, is being sought after???
Where is the outrage???
It is bad enough that scum supporters are willing to see past his indiscretions but the general public can't just remain silent on this.

Pretty sure this thread will not be staying silent anytime soon..

 

[Blue Pulse]

Is it just me......this situation is so bizarre.
How is it possible that this man who has personally tarnished the AFL brand a number of times, is being sought after???
Where is the outrage???
It is bad enough that scum supporters are willing to see past his indiscretions but the general public can't just remain silent on this.

No, not just you, but it does stink of the boys club. He will be accepted back, all is forgiven, everyone deserves a second chance and any other cliché you like to throw in. Wayne Carey, Sam Newman, Garry Lyon, not necessarily great moral people but once could play football. Hird loves the limelight, he will be accepted back into the football fold and will coach again much to the poor morals of the games administrators.

He should not be allowed to coach again at junior, senior or AFL level, the guy was responsible for systematically doping his whole team without record of what was injected into them. He is a disgrace to the game and to anyone who has ever coached.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Just begs the question - why do we need to throw a lifeline to an unrepentant convicted cheat, when surely there are dozens, hundreds of other capable individuals with functioning moral compasses who could be given this opportunity instead?

And while there will be some public outcry, it will be swept under the rug as the AFL (rightly) applies the torch to racist, misogynistic, violent fans who transgress in either the digital space or at the game. They'll manipulate the mainstream reporting, and James will gradually be reintegrated into the industry.

Disappointing, but it's the expected outcome when the league is more concerned with image than actual integrity.

 

[goreds]

No, not just you, but it does stink of the boys club. He will be accepted back, all is forgiven, everyone deserves a second chance and any other cliché you like to throw in. Wayne Carey, Sam Newman, Garry Lyon, not necessarily great moral people but once could play football. Hird loves the limelight, he will be accepted back into the football fold and will coach again much to the poor morals of the games administrators.

He should not be allowed to coach again at junior, senior or AFL level, the guy was responsible for systematically doping his whole team without record of what was injected into them. He is a disgrace to the game and to anyone who has ever coached.

And yet, tactically he is bordering on genius and probably one of the smartest minds not currently involved at a club.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

 

[thylacine60]

Woosh has no chance of success with the spectre of the Golden Calf looming........which is nice.

 

[katmanblue]

woosher needs to dispense with him.........

Woosha is compounding the problem.

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[Jabba73]

And yet, tactically he is bordering on genius and probably one of the smartest minds not currently involved at a club.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Reckon even I could get juiced up athletes to play well enough purely because they can move faster for longer than their opponents.

Ain’t no genius required when you have that much of an edge.

 

[thylacine60]

Woosha is compounding the problem.

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very nice

 

[Blue and Blue]

Hird has been doing public speaking rounds recently, garnering sympathy from industry insiders, talking of his struggles with depression during the drug saga. On face value, it’s hard not to feel sorry for him. No one should have to go through depression, especially because of a game. However, if you’re of the opinion that Hird is a sociopath, it seems as though he has been carefully manipulating public opinion and that of industry insiders.

We’ve heard many times since his time out of the game, that he still harbours coaching aspirations. Mainly through Mark Robinson. Now he’s returning to AFL, albeit in a commentary capacity, one week after Essendons shocking round 1 defeat. Why now? The timing stinks.

In my experience the word depression gets so easily mixed into the conversation as a descriptor for the concept of feeling sorry for oneself.
Its a slap in the face to all that really do have issues that are psychological and/or physical. As opposed to circumstantial.

 

[gardiner stand]

So have I

Forgot about that day, no one likes a Cloke.

 

[Stamos]

Hird has been doing public speaking rounds recently, garnering sympathy from industry insiders, talking of his struggles with depression during the drug saga. On face value, it’s hard not to feel sorry for him. No one should have to go through depression, especially because of a game. However, if you’re of the opinion that Hird is a sociopath, it seems as though he has been carefully manipulating public opinion and that of industry insiders.

Mental illness is a terrible scourge that I wouldn’t wish upon anyone. But Hird didn’t get ‘depressed’ because of the drug saga, he got ‘depressed’ because he got caught.

The biggest disgrace in the history of the game, has shown zero remorse, and should be banned for life.

 

[Stamos]

And yet, tactically he is bordering on genius and probably one of the smartest minds not currently involved at a club.

Just to clarify, this is extreme sarcasm, right?

 

[Blue Pulse]

And yet, tactically he is bordering on genius and probably one of the smartest minds not currently involved at a club.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

All for second chances, but I still strongly believe he feels he did nothing wrong. From day 1 he has fought this all the way and if not for the bumbling of the AFL I feel the whole club would have got done.

If he had come out and said, "I accept full responsibility" and stood down and assisted with the investigation I would have a lot more respect for him.

 

[Opine]

Woosha is compounding the problem.

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Woosha might be the problem.

 

[Laphroaig]

Just begs the question - why do we need to throw a lifeline to an unrepentant convicted cheat, when surely there are dozens,

Hird might be unrepentant, and I'm pretty sure he is both an arseh*le and a cheat.

But he is not a convicted cheat. He was found to have brought the game into disrepute, accompanied by an explicit, unambiguous statement from the AFL that his penalty was NOT for drug cheating.

He should not be allowed to coach again at junior, senior or AFL level, the guy was responsible for systematically doping his whole team without record of what was injected into them.

I had it from a reliable source back then that the AFLPA had Hird firmly in their sights and wanted him rubbed out for life. They may or may not have feelings on the issue now.

Essendon will not hessitate on the grounds of what the public reaction is. They have a giant **** you complex, and if anything external outcry will only encourage them.

 

[Gethelred]

be good to win and get the focus back on our beloved navy blues.........

I don't mind going the double; us beating Port and St Kilda rolling Essendon. That'd be gravy.
Edit: or even the triple, rolling Adelaide on their home deck and snagging a flag!

 

[Gethelred]

And yet, tactically he is bordering on genius and probably one of the smartest minds not currently involved at a club.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Are you talking about Hird?

I didn't see it, his coaching nous. He could motivate a bunch of players, but how much of that was the messiah complex and the them against us mindset? And is all of that not rather irrelevant to the fact that he went out and pursued a systemic regime of doping designed to give his players unfair advantage, with untested substances that have unknown long term side effects? He was a trusted figure, in a position of authority; he abused that trust, and should never hold such a position again.

Hird has been doing public speaking rounds recently, garnering sympathy from industry insiders, talking of his struggles with depression during the drug saga. On face value, it’s hard not to feel sorry for him. No one should have to go through depression, especially because of a game. However, if you’re of the opinion that Hird is a sociopath, it seems as though he has been carefully manipulating public opinion and that of industry insiders.

We’ve heard many times since his time out of the game, that he still harbours coaching aspirations. Mainly through Mark Robinson. Now he’s returning to AFL, albeit in a commentary capacity, one week after Essendons shocking round 1 defeat. Why now? The timing stinks.

Of course he's sympathetic, he is a human being who, either deliberately or otherwise made an abysmal decision, and that decision has tainted everything he has ever accomplished. In no mention of his name, can what occurred at Essendon from the end of 2012-2013 be left to one side. I have utmost sympathy for Hird the person, and I can understand how it could create depression, anxiety. What I do not understand is why that sympathy should mean that he should be allowed reentry into a prestigious industry filled with qualified people of quality who did not subject their players to a pharmacologically adventurous regime of untested substances designed to skirt the rules instead of breaking them, trusting people who were a) unqualified and b) deeply untrustworthy with the health of his players. He is deeply, deeply fortunate to this point that no side effects seem to have emerged yet.

As always, it isn't Hird that is creating the campaign to get him back; he has an agent for that. Marketers and agents are the parasites that feed from the effluence that flows from an abattoir. They're the ones rehabilitating him, and they're the ones defending the indefensible. While I believe in forgiveness I've a very, very long memory, and he had better hope, in any position he achieves from here, he never abuses the trust of those around him in such a harmful way again.

 

[ctacp]

Their grinning mugs on the side of the #19 tram will go from irritating to hilarious this year if round one is anything to go by - otherwise, is anyone here handy with a spray can, located near the tram depot and down to commit some summary offences?

Or even some autumnal offenses...

 

[FootyGeek]

Woosha is compounding the problem.

Well he is a chemist.

 

[thylacine60]

I don't mind going the double; us beating Port and St Kilda rolling Essendon. That'd be gravy.

 

[Wickzki]

Jonno Brown was spot on in regards to Essendon's lack of leadership.

As big a flog as he is... Goddard was still their best leader last year and they're hurting without him now. What a pisser.

 

[goreds]

Just to clarify, this is extreme sarcasm, right?

Geez, we are a harsh crowd today!

Honestly, he really is a wizard when it comes to tactics, running patterns and seeing the game a head of time.

I enjoyed the take down of the Bombers as much as any other Carlton supporter but I’m also aware that plenty of what happened to the club and Hird he was not even involved in or knew the facts, Bomber did! The line ‘you were in charge’ doesn’t always tell the truth, hence why Doc Reid somehow survived...

 

[thylacine60]

Well he is a chemist.

don't trample all over it, geekster............

 

[ESKIE]

Wonder how ODN Blue is going?