Coaching Staff Eye on our Coaching (Ratten, Lade, Batchelor, Slater sign on)

[Verdun66]

We need to clean out the assistants.

Adam Kingsley, how has this campaigner survived so long, the campaigner could barely get a game for Port and now he's our forwards coach?

How is our forward line going under Kingsley? It's a shambles, get rid of this prick FFS.

Kingsley played 170 games for PA, and is a Premiership player. So he did better than barely get a game. He is our transition coach. Welsh I think is our forwards coach. He is also one of the very few Level 4 qualified AFL coaches.

Undeniably the coaching staff are under the gun though.

 

[austinnn]

Leppa might not have the strength to take on another young list though.

Talking of Richmond assistants, how's Xavier Clarke going over thrre? Might be worth poaching for at least a development role. Good connection to one of the few periods when being a Saints player was a thing of pride.

 

[austinnn]

What do you guys reckon would be the perfect game plan that suits our players? By perfect I mean sustainable over a 22match season plus finals series for about 5 years, anticipating any incremental player personnel changes year by year.

Richo has gone for quick movement, long bombs, switching play, forward pressure, and most on here seem to reckon that doesn't work.

So what would, and who has used that type of plan already?

 

[Verdun66]

What do you guys reckon would be the perfect game plan that suits our players? By perfect I mean sustainable over a 22match season plus finals series for about 5 years, anticipating any incremental player personnel changes year by year.

Richo has gone for quick movement, long bombs, switching play, forward pressure, and most on here seem to reckon that doesn't work.

So what would, and who has used that type of plan already?

That plan would probably work if we hit targets and kicked straight for goal. I think what a few people want is a Plan B if that initial plan isn't working. Not much good if Plan A can't get to first base.

There is speculation that we are trying to get to Plan B, or a more sophisticated Plan A , and it is muddling us up.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

What do you guys reckon would be the perfect game plan that suits our players? By perfect I mean sustainable over a 22match season plus finals series for about 5 years, anticipating any incremental player personnel changes year by year.

Richo has gone for quick movement, long bombs, switching play, forward pressure, and most on here seem to reckon that doesn't work.

So what would, and who has used that type of plan already?

Richo, or whatever coach we have, needs to completely overhaul how we approach training, starting in the next pre/season. Training must consist, first and foremost, of ball work at all times. We need to be simulating match pressure constantly during training. And we need our coach to have very, very high standards for how we execute our skills at training. Everything stops if someone butchers it. Become obsessive about our players hitting targets at training.

Effort and pressure? That can be talked about mid-week in strategy meetings/simulated on the training track from time to time to work out how we approach opposition and particular players. But EVERY SINGLE SESSION from the first of pre-season is about players learning to keep possession of the ball under pressure.

Modern footy is all about executing skills under pressure. Clarko and his teams are miles ahead of ours because he has emphasised that skills and composure are the key foundations of his footballers. What that means is that, you can change a gameplan when needed, just like they did last year because the skills the players have allow the tactics to be flexible.

It's simple. If we, or any other team for that matter, don't emphasise skills and composure over all else, we won't be winning a premiership. Yes, pressure and tactics are a key part of a winning gameplan, but a lot of that comes down to coaches and how they prepare players to handle opponents strategy wise.

Composure, and teaching players how to kick, handball, and, most importantly, THINK their way through opposition zones quickly is the only way you will win games of footy consistently in footy now. And you can't think if all you are doing is chasing opposition like headless chickens all day and constantly giving them the ball back.

 

[Grav]

Leppa might not have the strength to take on another young list though.

Talking of Richmond assistants, how's Xavier Clarke going over thrre? Might be worth poaching for at least a development role. Good connection to one of the few periods when being a Saints player was a thing of pride.

Would like to see Xavier return, took NT thunder to a premiership, so knows how to coach. Not only that, but could go a long way in helping to secure the young bloke I’ve mentioned in my last three posts on Draft Watch.

 

[Stewart66]

Richo, or whatever coach we have, needs to completely overhaul how we approach training, starting in the next pre/season. Training must consist, first and foremost, of ball work at all times. We need to be simulating match pressure constantly during training. And we need our coach to have very, very high standards for how we execute our skills at training. Everything stops if someone butchers it. Become obsessive about our players hitting targets at training.

Effort and pressure? That can be talked about mid-week in strategy meetings/simulated on the training track from time to time to work out how we approach opposition and particular players. But EVERY SINGLE SESSION from the first of pre-season is about players learning to keep possession of the ball under pressure.

Modern footy is all about executing skills under pressure. Clarko and his teams are miles ahead of ours because he has emphasised that skills and composure are the key foundations of his footballers. What that means is that, you can change a gameplan when needed, just like they did last year because the skills the players have allow the tactics to be flexible.

It's simple. If we, or any other team for that matter, don't emphasise skills and composure over all else, we won't be winning a premiership. Yes, pressure and tactics are a key part of a winning gameplan, but a lot of that comes down to coaches and how they prepare players to handle opponents strategy wise.

Composure, and teaching players how to kick, handball, and, most importantly, THINK their way through opposition zones quickly is the only way you will win games of footy consistently in footy now. And you can't think if all you are doing is chasing opposition like headless chickens all day and constantly giving them the ball back.

Clarkson educates & demands skills development of smart footballers.
They need to simple down because we have a lot of dumb footballers ...really dumb.
Unfortunately the guys coaching them aren’t much better.
Watch how many times Webster / Geary go to ground in a game once under pressure.
Then watch their opponent keep their feet and literally walk into goal , time after time .
See how many half baked efforts to hand pass the ball , hard in space rather than feeble one that is cut off.
Exception is when teammate is really close then panic handball hard ..hot potato .

Clear instructions should be to Savage kick the ball for example because he is dumb.


These have happened all year including JLT.

Watch how many times in games over this year , we have a man clear 30metres away who is ignored
the ball kicked over his head to a three against One downfield .

Or we handball under pressure to another player under pressure from a slow play only to hack the ball
to outnumber down the ground , when we simply had to push back of the mark and kick the ball.
Clearly Acres is confused because every slow play , he wants to handball..

In passing our illustrious coach made comment that we were killed on the wings .

Might have something to do with placing slow inside mids as their opponents.
Took a half a game for Dunstan to stand Mitchell.
Could not believe we did not play Marshall last night for structure with Sicily out.
Could not believe all kicks were to be directed high 45 metres from goal to one spot on the ground with
everyone flying in 1st Quarter .

 

[plugger66]

Clarkson educates & demands skills development of smart footballers.
They need to simple down because we have a lot of dumb footballers ...really dumb.
Unfortunately the guys coaching them aren’t much better.
Watch how many times Webster / Geary go to ground in a game once under pressure.
Then watch their opponent keep their feet and literally walk into goal , time after time .
See how many half baked efforts to hand pass the ball , hard in space rather than feeble one that is cut off.
Exception is when teammate is really close then panic handball hard ..hot potato .

Clear instructions should be to Savage kick the ball for example because he is dumb.


These have happened all year including JLT.

Watch how many times in games over this year , we have a man clear 30metres away who is ignored
the ball kicked over his head to a three against One downfield .

Or we handball under pressure to another player under pressure from a slow play only to hack the ball
to outnumber down the ground , when we simply had to push back of the mark and kick the ball.
Clearly Acres is confused because every slow play , he wants to handball..

In passing our illustrious coach made comment that we were killed on the wings .

Might have something to do with placing slow inside mids as their opponents.
Took a half a game for Dunstan to stand Mitchell.
Could not believe we did not play Marshall last night for structure with Sicily out.
Could not believe all kicks were to be directed high 45 metres from goal to one spot on the ground with
everyone flying in 1st Quarter .

I will address your last few comments. Marshal wasn’t played because 3 marking players would not hel in today’s footy. A better midfield would but that is no easy fix. As if richo directs them to kick it high but having said Richmond and about 17 other clubs do kick long to the forward line these thus marking forwards are getting pushed out of the game unless they are better than average and can pressure opposition players. Slow mods play in the midfield because that is all we have. Poor recruiting this week. Pretty good last week. Yep dunstan could have gone to Mitchell earlier but our problem was the last quarter and he was on him then. We aren’t very good


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[Diehard Saint]

Richo, or whatever coach we have, needs to completely overhaul how we approach training, starting in the next pre/season. Training must consist, first and foremost, of ball work at all times. We need to be simulating match pressure constantly during training. And we need our coach to have very, very high standards for how we execute our skills at training. Everything stops if someone butchers it. Become obsessive about our players hitting targets at training.

Effort and pressure? That can be talked about mid-week in strategy meetings/simulated on the training track from time to time to work out how we approach opposition and particular players. But EVERY SINGLE SESSION from the first of pre-season is about players learning to keep possession of the ball under pressure.

Modern footy is all about executing skills under pressure. Clarko and his teams are miles ahead of ours because he has emphasised that skills and composure are the key foundations of his footballers. What that means is that, you can change a gameplan when needed, just like they did last year because the skills the players have allow the tactics to be flexible.

It's simple. If we, or any other team for that matter, don't emphasise skills and composure over all else, we won't be winning a premiership. Yes, pressure and tactics are a key part of a winning gameplan, but a lot of that comes down to coaches and how they prepare players to handle opponents strategy wise.

Composure, and teaching players how to kick, handball, and, most importantly, THINK their way through opposition zones quickly is the only way you will win games of footy consistently in footy now. And you can't think if all you are doing is chasing opposition like headless chickens all day and constantly giving them the ball back.

This.
Jimmy Bartel, on the radio, was saying that their training sessions were brutal pressure wise - more so than some of the teams they played in actual games.

 

[plugger66]

This.
Jimmy Bartel, on the radio, was saying that their training sessions were brutal pressure wise - more so than some of the teams they played in actual games.

How do we know our training sessions aren’t the same as most if not all clubs. Common sense suggests we watch how others train as other clubs watch us and I guess all clubs train very similar.


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[wolfpup]

does it really make a difference if we get rid of richo?
what has dawned on me is that we don't have the cattle sadly. what difference would a roos/harvey/ratten coming in this week as coach make to the team?
if for some reason our players are stagnating or not reaching their potential then that's a huge issue, not sure if thats the case.

 

[Stewart66]

Richo, or whatever coach we have, needs to completely overhaul how we approach training, starting in the next pre/season. Training must consist, first and foremost, of ball work at all times. We need to be simulating match pressure constantly during training. And we need our coach to have very, very high standards for how we execute our skills at training. Everything stops if someone butchers it. Become obsessive about our players hitting targets at training.

Effort and pressure? That can be talked about mid-week in strategy meetings/simulated on the training track from time to time to work out how we approach opposition and particular players. But EVERY SINGLE SESSION from the first of pre-season is about players learning to keep possession of the ball under pressure.

Modern footy is all about executing skills under pressure. Clarko and his teams are miles ahead of ours because he has emphasised that skills and composure are the key foundations of his footballers. What that means is that, you can change a gameplan when needed, just like they did last year because the skills the players have allow the tactics to be flexible.

It's simple. If we, or any other team for that matter, don't emphasise skills and composure over all else, we won't be winning a premiership. Yes, pressure and tactics are a key part of a winning gameplan, but a lot of that comes down to coaches and how they prepare players to handle opponents strategy wise.

Composure, and teaching players how to kick, handball, and, most importantly, THINK their way through opposition zones quickly is the only way you will win games of footy consistently in footy now. And you can't think if all you are doing is chasing opposition like headless chickens all day and constantly giving them the ball back.

Clarkson educates & demands skills development of smart footballers.
They need to simple down because we have a lot of dumb footballers ...really dumb.
Unfortunately the guys coaching them aren’t much better.
Watch how many times Webster / Geary go to ground in a game once under pressure.
Then watch their opponent keep their feet and literally walk into goal , time after time .
See how many half baked efforts to hand pass the ball , hard in space rather than feeble one that is cut off.
Exception is when teammate is really close then panic handball hard ..hot potato .

Clear instructions should be to Savage kick the ball for example because he is dumb.


These have happened all year including JLT.

Watch how many times in games over this year , we have a man clear 30metres away who is ignored
the ball kicked over his head to a three against One downfield .

Or we handball under pressure to another player under pressure from a slow play only to hack the ball
to outnumber down the ground , when we simply had to push back of the mark and kick the ball.
Clearly Acres is confused because every slow play , he wants to handball..

In passing our illustrious coach made comment that we were killed on the wings .

Might have something to do with placing slow inside mids as their opponents.
Took a half a game for Dunstan to stand Mitchell.
Could not believe we did not play Marshall last night for structure with Sicily out.
Could not believe all kicks were to be directed high 45 metres from goal to one spot on the ground with
everyone flying in 1st Quarter .

For those naysayers saying don’t play 2 ruckman this is a team , third on the ladder lowest points against.
does...

Our key forward took most of his marks on the wing and continues to do so.
If Stkildas tactics are to kick the ball to Membrey on outnumber which features McEvoy then it will only fail.
We continually Rucked Acres against McEvoy when Hickey rested last night , which played beautifully into
Hawks hands last night .

 

[plugger66]

For those naysayers saying don’t play 2 ruckman this is a team , third on the ladder lowest points against.
does...

Our key forward took most of his marks on the wing and continues to do so.
If Stkildas tactics are to kick the ball to Membrey on outnumber which features McEvoy then it will only fail.
We continually Rucked Acres against McEvoy when Hickey rested last night , which played beautifully into
Hawks hands last night .

Who was their second ruck? And when arced did ruck did we play worse?


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[BrutThough]

For those naysayers saying don’t play 2 ruckman this is a team , third on the ladder lowest points against.
does...

Our key forward took most of his marks on the wing and continues to do so.
If Stkildas tactics are to kick the ball to Membrey on outnumber which features McEvoy then it will only fail.
We continually Rucked Acres against McEvoy when Hickey rested last night , which played beautifully into
Hawks hands last night .

A second ruck makes no difference to our point against.

 

[Stewart66]

A second ruck makes no difference to our point against.

Nothing to do with hit outs all about structure .

 

[BrutThough]

Nothing to do with hit outs all about structure .

how does having another lumbering player help us stop opposition teams with their quick transition from defense?

 

[Stewart66]

how does having another lumbering player help us stop opposition teams with their quick transition from defense?

With the greatest respect The Hawks had Roughead , Gunston , Tim OBrien in their forward set up.

My point is with Stkilda setup , they continue to kick to outnumber who marks the ball.

Hence why they shifted Carlisle forward for several weeks which unbalanced their backline.

 

[plugger66]

With the greatest respect The Hawks had Roughead , Gunston , Tim OBrien in their forward set up.

My point is with Stkilda setup , they continue to kick to outnumber who marks the ball.

Hence why they shifted Carlisle forward for several weeks which unbalanced their backline.

Guns tan and Roughead have the ability to play mid and wing so they are more than marking forwards. Paddy Marshall and membery have no ability to play anywhere else apart from Marshall in the ruck of course. Doesn’t help us having 3 marking players in today’s footy unfortunately


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[JG22]

I reckon Richo knows that he is out of his depth.

 

[Saintbloke]

Every sport I've been involved in over the years, has a coach or coaches to fix problems with structures, skills, physical and mental prep etc etc. this generally improved deficiencies in many areas

Seems with the Saints, we do the opposite- we get a coach who oversees skills becoming worse, no apparent structures in any plays, players dipping their heads when things are going against them.

I've seen some very ordinary Saints teams and coaches over the years, but this current combo is shooting right up the hit parade...number one with a bullet!

 

[Saintos The ITK]

What do you guys reckon would be the perfect game plan that suits our players? By perfect I mean sustainable over a 22match season plus finals series for about 5 years, anticipating any incremental player personnel changes year by year.

Richo has gone for quick movement, long bombs, switching play, forward pressure, and most on here seem to reckon that doesn't work.

So what would, and who has used that type of plan already?

Place kicks and basketball passes.

 

[jwikked]

So Richo says that they’ll need to do extra skills training after what he saw last night.

Why didn’t he recognize this 12 months ago? These poor skills are nothing new, so to suggest it’s a new phenomenon is insane.

This should have been the focus late last year and through the preseason training.

The team has moved backwards in skill - you can’t say that for any other team in the AFL.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

It's a bit like Richmond Richo said yesterday with regards kicking at goal.
"I bet they kick at over 80% in training drills".

It's kind of like the big basketball fad of the 90's when Jordan was playing, you'd see young fellas playing around in groups of 2 or 3 and they looked like champions with all the fancy moves and plays. I saw a few of them try to transfer that to competition basketball and were found out big time.

So yes, it is a coaching thing, and I think our coaches need coaching. Who does that job??? maybe someone like Roo or Dal.

 

[Munga]

Would like to see Xavier return, took NT thunder to a premiership, so knows how to coach. Not only that, but could go a long way in helping to secure the young bloke I’ve mentioned in my last three posts on Draft Watch.

I just read that Xavier and McQualter have been assistants at Richmond for a couple of years, I feel old

 

[borderbarry]

Would like to see Xavier return, took NT thunder to a premiership, so knows how to coach. Not only that, but could go a long way in helping to secure the young bloke I’ve mentioned in my last three posts on Draft Watch.

Be nice to have Xavier and Lenny back at the club and in the coaches box.