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They are the best top 4 test bowlers going around, the rest dont even compare.
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Vaas
They are the best top 4 test bowlers going around, the rest dont even compare.
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Fast Bowlers - MY TOP 10
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yes he does average 33, his average after his first 15 tests though is 39.x or something.Browney said:
Here are brett Lees last 25 test matches:
fabulous effort by Australia's own Wickramasinghe
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
unfiltered 43 755 62* 19.86 0 2 161 5/47 33.04 4 12 0
filtered 25 398 47 16.58 0 0 87 4/63 40.03 0 10 0
and here are the official bowling rankings with Brett Lee at a sunny 35 in the sun.
well here are the official test rankings:
1 +1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881 914 vs England, The Oval 2001
2 +1 Shane Warne AUS 874 905 vs England, Melbourne 1994
3 -2 Muttiah Muralitharan 871 915 vs Pakistan, Lahore 2002
4 +2 Andrew Flintoff 793 793 vs Australia, Sydney 2005
5 -1 Shaun Pollock 787 909 vs England, Johannesburg 1999
6 -1 Makhaya Ntini 784 807 vs West Indies, Port-of-Spain 2005
7 -1 Chaminda Vaas SL 770 788 vs West Indies, Kandy 2005
7 -1 Shoaib Akhtar 770 855 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2003
9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762 762 vs Australia, The Oval 2005
10 Irfan Pathan IND 756 756 vs Zimbabwe, Harare 2005
11 Andre Nel SA 751 759 vs West Indies, Bridgetown 2005
12 Anil Kumble IND 733 859 vs Sri Lanka, Bangalore 1994
13 Danish Kaneria PAK 721 721 vs West Indies, Kingston 2005
14 Steve Harmison 707 875 vs West Indies, The Oval 2004
15 Shane Bond NZ 696 696 vs Zimbabwe, Bulawayo 2005
16 Harbhajan Singh IND 670 765 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2002
17 Jason Gillespie AUS 641 812 vs New Zealand, Adelaide 2004
18 Simon Jones ENG 625 631 vs Australia, Nottingham 2005
19 +1 Heath Streak ZIM 607 794 vs Sri Lanka, Colombo (RPS) 1996
20 +10 Stuart MacGill AUS 599 728 vs West Indies, Kingston 1999
21 -2 Daniel Vettori 592 681 vs Australia, Auckland 2000
22 -1 Chris Martin NZ 576 643 vs England, Lord's 2004
23 -1 Zaheer Khan IND 570 660 vs Australia, Brisbane 2003
23 -1 Shabbir Ahmed PAK 570 570 vs West Indies, Kingston 2005
25 -1 Pedro Collins WI 559 599 vs South Africa, Georgetown 2005
26 -1 Ashley Giles ENG 557 668 vs West Indies, Birmingham 2004
27 -1 Jacques Kallis 555 742 vs England, Leeds 2003
28 -1 Daryl Tuffey NZ 541 750 vs Pakistan, Hamilton 2003
29 -1 Michael Kasprowicz AUS 534 611 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2005
30 -1 Corey Collymore WI 528 539 vs Pakistan, Kingston 2005
31 Jermaine Lawson WI 511 519 vs Sri Lanka, Colombo (SSC) 2005
32 James Franklin NZ 508 528 vs Zimbabwe, Harare 2005
33 Dilhara Fernando SL 496 496 vs Bangladesh, Colombo (PSS) 2005
34 Mohammad Rafiq BAN 489 587 vs Zimbabwe, Chittagong 2005
35 Brett Lee AUS 479 658 vs West Indies, Perth 2000
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dan warna said:
Well, it is the new Lee defence- first it was..."He was injured" then it was "he can't get a game" now it is "they don't let him bowel in the second innings"
All three are rubbish- he aint good enough, but gets in now because others are injured, out of form, too old or too young...
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dan warna said:
Well, they have to do everything in their power to show their boy is being persecuted by the cricket world...
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Someone give me one legitimate reason why Brett Lee is no good?
That's right. None.
That's right. None.
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His "starting the lawn mower" wicket celebration.superstar_09 said:
I could also bring up his record, but you only asked for one.
superstar_09 said:
in the last 25 test matches he has consistently averaged about 39 runs per wicket.
he gets smashed by tail enders
he can't bowl more than about 5 overs consequetively before getting tired (compared to dizzy, kaspa, mcgrath, mcgill, warne etc who seem to bowl tirelessly)
he or his manager whinged incessently when he was out of the test side, DESPITE the fact that the bowling attack including kaspa were performing very well.
on his return series he gets smashed for 40 runs per wicket, and was smashed in the first innings despite getting first crack at the new ball.
I reckon Bichel, Inness, williams, rofe, bracken, kaspa all deserve their crack at the test side AHEAD of Lee.
he is 30 years old and still hasn't learned how to bowl fast without
he should be in the ODI side, but not in the test side.
his last 25 tests have been worse than any other fast bowlers 25 tests played by a fast bowler.
Thats why he's lucky to even get a guernsey.
It's pretty obvious Lee isn't in the top 10 bowlers given his Ashes performance and the fact he couldn't make the team ahead of Gillespie and Kaspra before the Ashes. I think you have to wait for Jones to do something outside of England before you can rank him higher.
My top 10 (with ICC ranking shown).
1 +1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881 914 vs England, The Oval 2001
4 +2 Andrew Flintoff 793 793 vs Australia, Sydney 2005
6 -1 Makhaya Ntini 784 807 vs West Indies, Port-of-Spain 2005
7 -1 Chaminda Vaas SL 770 788 vs West Indies, Kandy 2005
14 Steve Harmison 707 875 vs West Indies, The Oval 2004
11 Andre Nel SA 751 759 vs West Indies, Bridgetown 2005
5 -1 Shaun Pollock 787 909 vs England, Johannesburg 1999
15 Shane Bond NZ 696 696 vs Zimbabwe, Bulawayo 2005
7 -1 Shoaib Akhtar 770 855 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2003
18 Simon Jones ENG 625 631 vs Australia, Nottingham 2005
My top 10 (with ICC ranking shown).
1 +1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881 914 vs England, The Oval 2001
4 +2 Andrew Flintoff 793 793 vs Australia, Sydney 2005
6 -1 Makhaya Ntini 784 807 vs West Indies, Port-of-Spain 2005
7 -1 Chaminda Vaas SL 770 788 vs West Indies, Kandy 2005
14 Steve Harmison 707 875 vs West Indies, The Oval 2004
11 Andre Nel SA 751 759 vs West Indies, Bridgetown 2005
5 -1 Shaun Pollock 787 909 vs England, Johannesburg 1999
15 Shane Bond NZ 696 696 vs Zimbabwe, Bulawayo 2005
7 -1 Shoaib Akhtar 770 855 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2003
18 Simon Jones ENG 625 631 vs Australia, Nottingham 2005
pretty fair top 10.
akhtar is probalby one of the laziest bowlers going around though.
when you compare him to ntini, vaas, jones, Freddie, mcgrath even Lee who work reasonably hard, Shaiob is a lazy pr!ck.
akhtar is probalby one of the laziest bowlers going around though.
when you compare him to ntini, vaas, jones, Freddie, mcgrath even Lee who work reasonably hard, Shaiob is a lazy pr!ck.
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Lee is a wicket taker, someone who should bowl in short spells of fast pace and aggresion. He does have 161 test wickets from 41 tests, but averages 33 (40 in his last 25 tests) because of how many runs he leaks between the wickets.
I wouldn't bowl him for more than 5 overs at a time, he doesn't have the accuracy to build pressure like McGrath and Warne can, or Gillespie used to. Unfortunatly for Australia, Lee had to bowl too many overs (191 in the series) in the Ashes because only Warne was reliable for the majority of the series, McGrath wasn't at his best for 2 of the 3 tests he played.
What puzzled me was that Ponting kept bringing him on to bowl at Flintoff? Why? That was the most overated one sided 'battle' you will ever see. Fred kept taking him apart.
Question though. Who better can Australia currently play?
I wouldn't bowl him for more than 5 overs at a time, he doesn't have the accuracy to build pressure like McGrath and Warne can, or Gillespie used to. Unfortunatly for Australia, Lee had to bowl too many overs (191 in the series) in the Ashes because only Warne was reliable for the majority of the series, McGrath wasn't at his best for 2 of the 3 tests he played.
What puzzled me was that Ponting kept bringing him on to bowl at Flintoff? Why? That was the most overated one sided 'battle' you will ever see. Fred kept taking him apart.
Question though. Who better can Australia currently play?
Andy Bichel deserves another crack
Rofe a very disciplined bowler
White or Cullen as a development player (much like hte legendary richie benaud or steve waugh (who were carried by the side for the first 3 seasons of his career)
Inness was a great FC bowler before politics in the victorian side forced him out
lewis is ordinary but couldn't worse that bing
Rofe a very disciplined bowler
White or Cullen as a development player (much like hte legendary richie benaud or steve waugh (who were carried by the side for the first 3 seasons of his career)
Inness was a great FC bowler before politics in the victorian side forced him out
lewis is ordinary but couldn't worse that bing
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superstar_09 said:
I'll give three
Ashes- second test 2005
Lee, as lead bowler 17 overs, 1 for 111
As comparison, Dizzy bowled 22 as Lee's partner, and took 2 for 92 from 22 overs. Kasper was the thirds bowler, and took 3 for 80 in 15 overs
Third Test
Lee, opening with McGrath, who was NOT 100%. Lee bowled 27 overs, taking 4 for 100 (at least he got wickets)
In the second dig, Puner used him in quick bursts, with 12 overs, 1 for 60...more effective in the first dig
Fourth Test
Lead bowler, McGrath out again....32 overs, 1 for 131
So, as an opening bowler in three innings, Lee bowled 66 overs, took 6 wickets for 342 runs.
Leaking? That's a *****ing flood...bring on Hurricane Pretty boy!
And in Test matches, you can't have a leading bowler bowl just 5 overs. Lee claimed to be in the best condition of his life and he is gone after 30 minutes? Maybe he ought to bowl for the Poms and get the free substitutes....
Lee- Treble Centurion!!!!!!
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Skarks Top 10 Averages
1: McGrath 21.25
2: Harmison 28.40
3: Pollock 22.09
4: Flintoff 31.52
5: Vaas 28.94
6: Akhtar 24.78
7: Ntini 29.21
8: Bond 20.80
9: Jones 28.23
10: Pathan 26.15
BRETT LEE 33.04
This bagging of Lee is ridiculous. He is not that far of the other players and has only 12 of his 161 wickets against Bangladesh. While "the great" Andrew Flintoff only betters his average by 1.52
1: McGrath 21.25
2: Harmison 28.40
3: Pollock 22.09
4: Flintoff 31.52
5: Vaas 28.94
6: Akhtar 24.78
7: Ntini 29.21
8: Bond 20.80
9: Jones 28.23
10: Pathan 26.15
BRETT LEE 33.04
This bagging of Lee is ridiculous. He is not that far of the other players and has only 12 of his 161 wickets against Bangladesh. While "the great" Andrew Flintoff only betters his average by 1.52
pollock is good but not as good as he was 4-5 years ago imo.
Lee is a pie chucker in tests, good one day strike bowler.
Lee is a pie chucker in tests, good one day strike bowler.
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