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Player Watch Fischer McAsey - Steps Away from Football, Not Returning
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I didn't hang shit on Durdin ....he's just a very poor player
Yes, I see a lot in McAasey, kid has talent ....but you can't play if your head's not in the right space.
More & more kids coming into the AFL system are lacking the resilience these days .... am I saying "soft" ....yes I probably am
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You didn’t hang shit on Durdin? Dud, pea hearted?
It could be that he’s just so slow and immobile he is struggling…..
Facts are he wanted to go home and couldn’t find a suitor.
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You don't know the full story, only those at the coal-face do ....you're simply quoting the media ....who are invariably wrong
Probably 40% of the AFL listed players, at some stage thru a season, are having discussions with other clubs ......could he not find a suitor, or wasn't he really looking for a suitor ?.....just needing to get his personal life in order
Everyone is simply surmising
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I’ve told you this a few times now and you keep ignoring it.
He was asked at the airport during trade week and said he was talking to a Vic club. It wasn’t the media it was McAsey.
Now he hasn’t returned, he was desperate to find a Vic club and he didn’t find one.
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I wish we could even classify McAsey as high as 'poor'.
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To be fair, I did watch some Durdin games on free to air tv while he was in the NM VFL team (keeping an eye on players who we could bring home), and no one would argue he showed more than McAsey has.
He was really exposed for having issues as a one-on-one tall defender at that age. Not sure that's massively changed, but at least he's physically more impactful now.
I think McAsey showed more at his underage year, but he's also had a bigger drop off.
I'm not sure anyone would take McAsey until he at least went away and showed that he had gotten his head right. I'm not convinced McAsey would play again in lower levels, anyway.
He was really exposed for having issues as a one-on-one tall defender at that age. Not sure that's massively changed, but at least he's physically more impactful now.
I think McAsey showed more at his underage year, but he's also had a bigger drop off.
I'm not sure anyone would take McAsey until he at least went away and showed that he had gotten his head right. I'm not convinced McAsey would play again in lower levels, anyway.
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And yet no one wanted him this year
Huh?
He is contracted and on an AFL list this year.
Your point would be valid if he was without an AFL club and languishing in the SANFL/VFL.
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He said he was talking to a Vic Club which went nowhere and he is still in Melbourne. If clubs were interested he would be gone but when you are struggling for a kick in the SANFL and your club isn’t even playing you in your position, do you blame them?
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Not at all. He is under contract.
The reasonable assumption is that the Crows asked too much at the trade table or that his salary was too high for clubs to want to trade.
Once again - my assertion isn't that clubs are clamoring to trade assets to get him, just that If he wants to play AFL in 2024 he will have no shortage of suitors.
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Sounds like a bet waiting to happen!
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That's worked well in the past
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Lol, ensures the payment of bets are actually talked more than the actual bet itself.
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Screenshot of a charity donation surely easy enough
I reckon the crows would have traded him for a 3rd rounder and paid half his salary just for the benefit of the lad.
It didn't happen as not one other Melbourne club wanted him.
I can't believe people still think he has any value
It didn't happen as not one other Melbourne club wanted him.
I can't believe people still think he has any value
I’m sure the crows would have negotiated something purely for the benefit of the kid
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Yep and especially given how tight our list was and we had to use next years picks to bring in players.
As it stands we’ve got a guy we know has issues and that isn’t even in the state, no way were we standing in the way.
Plus we know he isn’t very good, we gave up on him as a defender when we are short on them. It doesn’t matter where we drafted him.
Have there been many other instances of contracted players publicly stating they are talking to another club and hope to leave? Not many, then throw in that he hasn’t returned.
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I think it's hard to make a comparison between tall early draftees getting many years in the AFL and McAsey, because McAsey has shown even less than some of the worst first round talls
Some of the worst include (most were drafted after pick 10)
Jarrod Brander - delisted after 4 seasons and 22 games
Sam Durdin - delisted after 6 seasons and 22 games
Michael Apeness - delisted after 5 seasons and 12 games
Kristian Jaksch - delisted after 5 seasons and 14 games
Daniel Gorringe - delisted after 5 seasons and 22 games
Matthew Watson - delisted after 5 seasons and 23 games
Lucas Cook - delisted after 2 seasons and 0 games
Lewis Johnston - delisted after 6 seasons and 10 games
Mitch Thorp - delisted after 3 seasons and 2 games
(McAsey - currently sitting at 3 seasons in with 10 games played)
And of course he's far worse than players like Josh Schache, Aaron Francis, Paddy McCartin and John Butcher who I think most people would count as poor selections
Right now he's basically on the level of Lucas Cook or Mitch Thorp in terms of how much he showed (nothing). I think he's at long odds to make it to a 5th season.
Some of the worst include (most were drafted after pick 10)
Jarrod Brander - delisted after 4 seasons and 22 games
Sam Durdin - delisted after 6 seasons and 22 games
Michael Apeness - delisted after 5 seasons and 12 games
Kristian Jaksch - delisted after 5 seasons and 14 games
Daniel Gorringe - delisted after 5 seasons and 22 games
Matthew Watson - delisted after 5 seasons and 23 games
Lucas Cook - delisted after 2 seasons and 0 games
Lewis Johnston - delisted after 6 seasons and 10 games
Mitch Thorp - delisted after 3 seasons and 2 games
(McAsey - currently sitting at 3 seasons in with 10 games played)
And of course he's far worse than players like Josh Schache, Aaron Francis, Paddy McCartin and John Butcher who I think most people would count as poor selections
Right now he's basically on the level of Lucas Cook or Mitch Thorp in terms of how much he showed (nothing). I think he's at long odds to make it to a 5th season.
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Brander is a great example - Although he was actually picked up by GWS last year for nothing - made it onto their list and played 5 games and was delisted again at the end of 2022 - so 5 seasons and 27 games.
You also left off terrible players from Adelaide like John Meesen (5 seasons, 2 clubs), Fergus Watts (4 seasons 2 clubs, James Sellar (6 seasons, 2 clubs),
The AFL is littered with terrible terrible big men getting chances - Joel Tippet had 3 clubs over 7 years for 9 AFL games and you think a pick 6 KPP won't get a second chance at a different club?
Agree with all those except Paddy McCartin - his fall from grace was concussion related.
Disagree with you here. Lucas Cook was an absolute howler of a draft pick. Projected to go in the 30's was a massive massive surprise to go that early.
He was so bad that he was delisted with a full year to go on his contract. Same story with Mitch Thorp - however his was very much attitude related.
So really in the past 20 or so years there have only been 2 195cm+ players that haven't lasted 5 seasons or been given a chance at 2+ different AFL clubs.
What that suggests to me is the following:
1. Talent pool in AFL is so bad - that clubs will happily give bad footballers / washed footballers a spot on the list purely based on draft capital and size just in case.
2. To external recruiters - McAsey has a reason for his lack of form in 2021/2022 in his well publicized mental health battles.
3. If at the end of the year we let McAsey walk without offering him another contract - Melbourne clubs would be absolutely crazy not to offer him a list spot. North Melbourne has Kayne Turner on a list. We had Ben Davis on our list for 6 years.
If he wants to be on an AFL list in 2024 he will be.
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You're listing a lot of players that are better than McAsey. Brander, Turner, Davis even Joel Tippett were all better players than McAsey. Davis is quite serviceable at SANFL level, hence why he lasted on a list for so long, as are many of these examples. Tippett was largely recruited to be a break glass emergency depth player but even he was okay in the SANFL and that's why North picked him up
Even John Meesen who I think most Crows supporters would say is one of our worst ever draft picks was okay at SANFL level. McAsey sucks even at the lower level.
And that's the point. You have to show something to be given another chance. McAsey has shown absolutely nothing
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But he was pick 6
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What did Daniel Gorringe show. He has even come out since he quit football saying that he was terrible, he knew he would never make it but he was only given a 2nd chance because he was a top 10 draft pick.
What did Brander show? During his stint with the Weagles he played 33 games in the ressies for 24 goals. Ya see him at AFL Level?
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Now you are getting it!
Wasn't the fish the leading goal kicker in the SANFL preliminary final a few months ago. I am telling ya - we are putting together a nice little resume for him.
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I actually thought Brander looked okay at AFL level. There was a period West Coast played him on the wing and it looked like there might have been something there. Had a few reasonably high possession games for a tall player
Gorringe looked like a below average ruckman. He was of course a bad player that was never going to make it, but he did manage to reach the level of below average (which McAsey hasn't). If McAsey could play ruck I think he'd be more of a chance of lasting on an AFL list
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I’m trying to forget we wasted pick 6 on him but you keep reminding us!
Let’s say McAsey plays VFL this year to the same standard he has SANFL, do you think that will impact him being picked up for 2024?
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