Rumour GFC 2019 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists.

[catman2006]

So if the asking price is WCE 13, 22, 31 for TK.

Would we give up Pick 16 for Laird at Crows? What would his price be?

Then go to draft with 13, 22, 31, 36, etc.

If we land 13, we will need that if we want Luke Jackson.

Touch and go if he's still around at 13

 

[thecatattack]

We turn from the bye 6-7 hardly convincing and those two players arent going to improve us massively, so its a big hell no from me not worth the investment in picks and cap

We'll lose Kelly but if we add a 25yr old who just averaged 30 touches and another 25yr old mid/defender who just averaged 28 touches we'd be laughing.

 

[Leeds17]

Dont be fooled by ladder position we are 6-8 rank side at the moment only a golden run at start of the year did us huge favours, we need to cull as we dont have the quality to go next level...

I was predicting straight sets since April, so in theory I agree with you, But I would also say that there's a lot of teams that are in the same boat.

 

[catman2006]

We'll lose Kelly but if we add a 25yr old who just averaged 30 touches and another 25yr old mid/defender who just averaged 28 touches we'd be laughing.

Crouch does get a lot of the ball but is a turnover magnet doesn't suit out style of rebound footy, choice out of Henderson or Laird much of a much.

I was predicting straight sets since April, so in theory I agree with you, But I would also say that there's a lot of teams that are in the same boat.

Yeah Collingwood and Hawks are in the same boat

 

[Leeds17]

We'll lose Kelly but if we add a 25yr old who just averaged 30 touches and another 25yr old mid/defender who just averaged 28 touches we'd be laughing.

Yeah if we could grab Laird, Crouch for 2 latish first round picks (keeping our most valuable one assuming 2 coming in from TK) i’d be all for it, maybe adding Parfitt with a 2nd round coming back if needed to seal it.

There’s topping up, & there’s adding a multi AA half back & an inside bull.

 

[CatRiot]

We'll lose Kelly but if we add a 25yr old who just averaged 30 touches and another 25yr old mid/defender who just averaged 28 touches we'd be laughing.

Are you saying Brad Crouch and Rory Laird?
Not sure which Mid you're talking about.

 

[CatRiot]

I don't think we can get Brad Crouch.
His contract demands seem way too high, he wants $1m per season over 5.

 

[thecatattack]

He averages more touches and fewer clangers than Kelly and Danger and then only half a clanger more than the likes of Selwood and Duncan.

We can bypass all the bullshit development that may not work out and get 2 readymade ball magnets.

 

[Turbocat]

Long time lurker and rare poster but find some of the comments too hard to resist.

There is a seemingly strong call to cull a lot of players and a real ageist approach. As I recall we finished on top of the ladder and were half a game from beating the eventual premiers. In fact with a bit more accuracy we could have been destroying the Giants and not given the Tigers that pleasure. Yes bad kicking is bad footy but the point is we were close. Is a drastic cull necessary and are we really that far away?

So if we cull older players what do we get in return? A 5th round pick I expect. Can we trade them? Is so what value do they have, clearly not much given the comments so at best a late 3rd or worse. Will that make a difference?
Looking at our list of the 44 still remaining we have 7 that have not played a game, 3 more who haven’t played this year. Throw in Fort, Abbott, Zuthrie, Parsons, Fogarty, Constable, Clark and Atkins and that’s 18 players we could consider under development, admittedly a couple are best 22. So if we cull Ablett, Hendo, Cuthrie, SS, Taylor, Menagola, 2e we could add another 7 speculative picks meaning of the full 46 we could have 25 development players and 21 left over. Of course we have to exclude Kelly as he is probably going and Smith who I expect to be cut. Not sure but I think that impacts are depth just a lot.

So sure maybe another couple need to go along with Jones, Cunio, Smith and Kelly but we won’t be getting much in if they do. Let the experienced players keep going until they are forced out by one of the development players. Lets face it we have enough of them. If they aren’t good enough to displace long serving servants of this club then they can go.

You lay it out like some sort of blue pill red pill thing ..one side of the list we have a big pool of development guys ..who knows what we have with them or how long it will take to find out... or we have the other way ..where we can sort of stay with the approach of how we have been going .. a sort of matrix version of being competitive. We seem competitive ...but are we really? Take the red pill and sure it might be a bit of a disconnect from what we have known of recent times .. do we want artificial prime rib or do we want real gruel ..

 

[thecatattack]

Are you saying Brad Crouch and Rory Laird?
Not sure which Mid you're talking about.

Crouch averaged 30 and Laird averaged 28.

 

[thecatattack]

Yeah if we could grab Laird, Crouch for 2 latish first round picks (keeping our most valuable one assuming 2 coming in from TK) i’d be all for it, maybe adding Parfitt with a 2nd round coming back if needed to seal it.

There’s topping up, & there’s adding a multi AA half back & an inside bull.

Not sure I'd give up Parfitt but moreso willing to give up picks.

 

[catman2006]

He averages more touches and fewer clangers than Kelly and Danger and then only half a clanger more than the likes of Selwood and Duncan.

We can bypass all the bulls**t development that may not work out and get 2 readymade ball magnets.

Not sure where you got the facts but Crouch turns it over more then Kelly and Dangerfield, do you have a better stat site I could use?

 

[thecatattack]

Not sure where you got the facts but Crouch turns it over more then Kelly and Dangerfield, do you have a better stat site I could use?

I just used the footywire comparison to see their clangers.

But for turnovers, Danger and Crouch are basically on par for turnover %, Kelly is higher than Crouch, Duncan way lower, Joel on par.

I'm not sure what constitutes a turnover in the AFL considering a clanger is a kick/handball that goes directly to the opposition, so a turnover seems like a repeated stat.

 

[Turbocat]

So if the asking price is WCE 13, 22, 31 for TK.

Would we give up Pick 16 for Laird at Crows? What would his price be?

Then go to draft with 13, 22, 31, 36, etc.

If we land 13, we will need that if we want Luke Jackson.

Are seriously looking at pay top dollar for another defender..? ...Well ..Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast ..what are we going to just push the other backline player thru the wings up to the half forwardline..

 

[thecatattack]

Are seriously looking at pay top dollar for another defender..? ...Well ..Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast ..what are we going to just push the other backline player thru the wings up to the half forwardline..

Laird is a defender/mid and would walk into our team.

2x AA, 1x B&F.

2015: 24.5 touches, 6 marks and 2.5 tackles
2016: 27.5 touches, 7 marks and 2 tackles
2017: 29.5 touches, 6 marks and 2 tackles.
2018: 32 touches, 6 marks and 2 tackles. (Polled 19 Brownlow votes)
2019: 28 touches, 6 marks and 2 tackles.

Again, he'd walk into our starting 18.

 

[catman2006]

I just used the footywire comparison to see their clangers.

But for turnovers, Danger and Crouch are basically on par for turnover %, Kelly is higher than Crouch, Duncan way lower, Joel on par.

I'm not sure what constitutes a turnover in the AFL considering a clanger is a kick/handball that goes directly to the opposition, so a turnover seems like a repeated stat.

Yeah can get confusing but clangers are direct mistakes and turnover is can be indirect mistakes so out of 30 poss he makes 3.7 clangers disposal at 64% and makes 5.8 turnover so effectively is running around 19 possessions a game which is still high but as we know little handball counted as a possession not to mention he has played 86 games in his time and wants 5years x 1m just not worth it..

 

[CatRiot]

Yeah can get confusing but clangers are direct mistakes and turnover is can be indirect mistakes so out of 30 poss he makes 3.7 clangers disposal at 64% and makes 5.8 turnover so effectively is running around 19 possessions a game which is still high but as we know little handball counted as a possession not to mention he has played 86 games in his time and wants 5years x 1m just not worth it..

Duncan's lower mistakes and higher disposal efficiency because he's mainly an Outside Mid.
Much like Defenders have higher disposal efficiency, as they are usually rebounding and also kicking to the fat side of the ground where there is more spread and its easier to hit a team player.

 

[TheYid]

Andrew Jarman said on Triple M that Jenkins wants to come to Geelong and we are interested.

 

[catman2006]

Andrew Jarman said on Triple M that Jenkins wants to come to Geelong and we are interested.

If we can use our 3rd rd pick for Jenkins it would be ok takes pressure off Sav, but no way if they want a better pick....

 

[Leeds17]

Yeah can get confusing but clangers are direct mistakes and turnover is can be indirect mistakes so out of 30 poss he makes 3.7 clangers disposal at 64% and makes 5.8 turnover so effectively is running around 19 possessions a game which is still high but as we know little handball counted as a possession not to mention he has played 86 games in his time and wants 5years x 1m just not worth it..

If he came here or pretty much to any Melbourne club other than North it would be 650k-700k a year, the 1mil is all Gold Coast, I’ll never say he a good user but I think he can clean it up a bit, he was easily there best player in 17’ finals series & one of very few of the crows who came out of that GF with any credit, people are focusing on what he can’t do rather than what he can if he came here he’d slot in as our 2nd best contested/stoppage player & considering our best one plays forward 40% of the time surely we can see how important that would be.

There would be some pretty big provisos over his injury history, that is my concern not his ability or the money.

 

[David the Cat]

Laird would be a great pick up for us...real quality.

I'm warming to Steven if its a late 3rd or 4th round...

Jenkins? Only if cheap...he apparently isn't wanting huge money....he's superior to Buzza...

 

[Leeds17]

If we can use our 3rd rd pick for Jenkins it would be ok takes pressure off Sav, but no way if they want a better pick....

He has no trade value it’ll be for a pick they probably won’t even use.

 

[catman2006]

He has no trade value it’ll be for a pick they probably won’t even use.

Crows will want every bit they can get for their rebuild, but happy for late pick

 

[CatRiot]

He has no trade value it’ll be for a pick they probably won’t even use.

He has no trade value if we take his salary, which is 550k for 2 more seasons.
But if they take some of his salary, and we pay the rest, the Crows will want something at the trade table. It all depends how much of the salary we take.
Unless Jenkins is happy to take less money on a new contract, and he gets some sort of partial payout by Crows to end his contract.

 

[Leeds17]

Are seriously looking at pay top dollar for another defender..? ...Well ..Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast ..what are we going to just push the other backline player thru the wings up to the half forwardline..

If we brought Laird in & Taylor & Hendo leave could we go a bit smaller & more dynamic?

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