Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Pure_Ownage]

True. Spots in the best 22 are going to open up real quick over the next 18 months though

Yes and No we will have retirements but we have good depth already so we are still a hard sell to kids wanting gametime.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Has Clark made noises about going home? All I've heard about his preferences were his pre-draft comment that he'd like to play footy outside of the WA Bubble. Seems weird he'd go back on that after 18~ months

I think Clark just got injured at an inopportune time when playing Collingwood earlier this year. Now the side's settled a bit and he didn't set the world on fire in his game back. He's more fringe than other defensive guys (and younger, underdeveloped) so I suspect he'll be held over for next year after another preseason

I didn't mean to imply I thought Clark would want to leave, or that he should. I'm a huge fan, and for that reason I'm sorry he's out of the team. I'm just observing that whereas he looked undroppable last year, this year, he hardly looks pickable, or so it seems.

Because We need to weigh up the ten year career agains the two year one, I would have preferred he were in than Tuohy, to be honest. But that said, I saw the Dogs game, and Tuohy just impressed me so much ... looked like he should have been stretchered off about three times but just kept jogging back on. he was amazing...

 

[Turbocat]

Yes and No we will have retirements but we have good depth already so we are still a hard sell to kids wanting gametime.

Take away our own natural inclinations and biases ... does a kid from Melb look at Geelong as preferable than most of the club locations in melb.. My guess our facilities etc are quite good , and it not a bad place to be and play... as has been show by retention.. but geelong has show focus on ex Falcons for a reason.

To someone like XOH.. for the next few years , my guess is what he would want is some sort of reassurance that they will be regular players. Dies one think Bailey Scott is unhappy with hos choice? I doubt it for the moment.... once they have played a 100 game earnt some money from the game..then they can see the end of the tunnel ahead..then maybe they might wonder. Get enough money to buy a house , set themselves up ... and playing best22 footy is key to that.

I looked at Gawn walking off the ground for Melb and I wondered if he will be happy to see out his day at melb if they continue they way they are. I wonder if one asked 2E about how he has enjoyed Geelong , probably on less dollars.. Few want to be Robbie Flower now

Maybe they can sell the long term to him but I think we are not the front runners...till I hear him say we are where he wants to be..

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Take away our own natural inclinations and biases ... does a kid from Melb look at Geelong as preferable than most of the club locations in melb.. My guess our facilities etc are quite good , and it not a bad place to be and play... as has been show by retention.. but geelong has show focus on ex Falcons for a reason.

To someone like XOH.. for the next few years , my guess is what he would want is some sort of reassurance that they will be regular players. Dies one think Bailey Scott is unhappy with hos choice? I doubt it for the moment.... once they have played a 100 game earnt some money from the game..then they can see the end of the tunnel ahead..then maybe they might wonder. Get enough money to buy a house , set themselves up ... and playing best22 footy is key to that.

I looked at Gawn walking off the ground for Melb and I wondered if he will be happy to see out his day at melb if they continue they way they are. I wonder if one asked 2E about how he has enjoyed Geelong , probably on less dollars.. Few want to be Robbie Flower now

Maybe they can sell the long term to him but I think we are not the front runners...till I hear him say we are where he wants to be..

I agree with all of that our sell is chances to play finals and good development systems and culture more than big Melb club and $ stuff..everyone has different motivations.

Hopefully since Caldwell boarded at Geelong he will be open to us.

 

[foxdog50]

so a person post this on a Facebook page.... Anyone herd this on the radio?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

View attachment 956834so a person post this on a Facebook page.... Anyone herd this on the radio?

I reckon it's just scuttlebutt but I could see it being true. If we can trade Narkle for a pick to say get us a ruck I can live with it.

 

[Down at K Park]

Take it with a massive grain of salt. As if any player would have agreed to a trade at this point. Especially with no final list numbers known.

Either way, i don't think it would matter that much. He hasn't set the world on fire and doesn't really seem to be progressing.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

True. Spots in the best 22 are going to open up real quick over the next 18 months though

The key issue is not just how the list will look in 18 months, or whether there will be spots in the team, but how the list and the team will look in four or five years.

Cook's comments a year ago strongly suggested that the club had realised that putting the financial imperative to stay competitive, and ideally to make prelims, every year meant that they had never pushed quite hard enough for a flag. That seems to have changed and we topped up with much older players like Jenkins and Steven. But it can't keep going like that:

In four years it is not only Ablett and Taylor who will be gone, but most if not all of Hawkins, Selwood, Jenkins, Tuohy, Henderson, Steven, Dangerfield, Stanley, Blicavs, Rohan, Duncan, Menegola, Guthrie and Dahlhaus - in order of age, Guthrie and Dahl the youngest at 28 at the moment. As we did a few years ago we have a demographic "hole" - one that was filled with the recruitment of four players all from the same draft year - from memory, Scooter, Stanley, Henderson, and .... one other ...

Of current Cats, O'Connor, Parfitt, Henry and Meiers look like core players, and you'd hope that Clark, Stephens and deKoning could be. But that would still mean drafting or trading about four best 22 players each year to stay competitive, when history says that two is average, three very good, and four freakishly good. We need to squeeze some best 22 players out of our untried and fringe players to stay competitive (which also means staying attractive as a trade destination).

Given the Covid squeeze, the Cats would be much better served in the medium and long term by pushing hard on another two or three older players than they would be by cutting either untried or fringe players from whom they might get five or ten years of games from, as compared to two or three. It might even be worth paying out a couple who have contracts.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Take it with a massive grain of salt. As if any player would have agreed to a trade at this point. Especially with no final list numbers known.

Either way, i don't think it would matter that much. He hasn't set the world on fire and doesn't really seem to be progressing.

I doubt if I'd progress (keep working my arse off) if I knew that I was at a club that kept preferring to bring in players over the top than to commit to its draftees, who it tended to export after three or four years. This time last year he was clearly in the frame for a career at the Cats ... then the Crouch to Cats rumours started. Before that it was Stephen, before that it was Danger, before that it was Scooter ... no wonder we seem to be struggling to develop mids, even if we do almost everything else well ....

 

[foxdog50]

Take it with a massive grain of salt. As if any player would have agreed to a trade at this point. Especially with no final list numbers known.

Either way, i don't think it would matter that much. He hasn't set the world on fire and doesn't really seem to be progressing.

You would be surprised how many deals would actually been done by word already.....

 

[CatToTheFuture]

View attachment 956834so a person post this on a Facebook page.... Anyone herd this on the radio?

I call BS for two reasons

1. You can't say the cats haven't been playing him when fit

2. Brad Crouch to the cats is on the lower end of probability. I think he's a great player but with cap dropping and his injury risk a large contract for him would be a huge strategic mis-step. The kind that hurts us for years.

 

[King Cat]

All this talk of trading in midfielders for mine is not much of a necessity. We have plenty and with 3 high draft picks we can add more. If we do trade it should be to fill a need. I think the availability of Crouch is an exception if he can be got for nothing. Clearly ruck and key forward are our needs and if there is any trading I’d like that filled first.

I’d also be keen on not using all 3 first round picks this year. Not the best year for draft knowledge due to no games in Vic. Ideally I’d look to get one of this years first rounders into next years draft so 2 this year 2 next year



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[Pure_Ownage]

I call BS for two reasons

1. You can't say the cats haven't been playing him when fit

2. Brad Crouch to the cats is on the lower end of probability. I think he's a great player but with cap dropping and his injury risk a large contract for him would be a huge strategic mis-step. The kind that hurts us for years.

I think Crouch clearly makes us a better player next year than the fringe guys people are panicking over losing...it's just I wouldn't want to give him 5 year a given his injury history. If we get him on a lower contract he is a fine addition.

As for Narkle we play him when he's fit usually..he's been injured..recently back..has things to work on. Not proven..I'd like to keep him but I wouldn't panic over losing him every year we lose fringe players and do fine.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

All this talk of trading in midfielders for mine is not much of a necessity. We have plenty and with 3 high draft picks we can add more. If we do trade it should be to fill a need. I think the availability of Crouch is an exception if he can be got for nothing. Clearly ruck and key forward are our needs and if there is any trading I’d like that filled first.

I’d also be keen on not using all 3 first round picks this year. Not the best year for draft knowledge due to no games in Vic. Ideally I’d look to get one of this years first rounders into next years draft so 2 this year 2 next year



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Absolutely agree although trading into next year's draft will be hard club's will want to hold their picks. Maybe we draft more wa and sa players who have been playing this year. Our issue is the good key forwards and rucks may be gone by the time our picks come unless we trade up.

 

[gaz love x]

I think the club would be keen enough to keep Narkle but I can also see them being honest with him, he's a way off best 22 at the moment because he's a pretty one-way player in midfield. Similar to Constable but with different skillsets. If for example they like Stephens as a two-way inside mid I can see them thinking one of Constable or Narkle is expendable, even before anyone else comes in. Of the two I'd keep Narkle personally because explosiveness is harder to find than accumulation and I think you could teach him defensive accountability, but he's also the one out of contract.

 

[gaz love x]

Trading into next year's draft totally makes sense but I don't think it'll be a priority because we know Wells a) likes a smokey, b) backs his eye in even when a player misses through injury in their draft year, and c) recruits SA and WA kids almost as often as Victorians. I think we'll try to move up the draft order and maybe trade for a player but probably not a sideways trade into next year.

Side note, can anyone give me a rundown on the picks we have after the first round? I remember us getting Gold Coast's third rounder in the Jenkins deal but do we have our standard second and third rounders?

 

[STPer18]

Trading into next year's draft totally makes sense but I don't think it'll be a priority because we know Wells a) likes a smokey, b) backs his eye in even when a player misses through injury in their draft year, and c) recruits SA and WA kids almost as often as Victorians. I think we'll try to move up the draft order and maybe trade for a player but probably not a sideways trade into next year.

Side note, can anyone give me a rundown on the picks we have after the first round? I remember us getting Gold Coast's third rounder in the Jenkins deal but do we have our standard second and third rounders?

Based on the current ladder we're sitting on 11, 15, 18 in the first round, and then 36 before it blows out to 90+.

 

[frggr]

Based on the current ladder we're sitting on 11, 15, 18 in the first round, and then 36 before it blows out to 90+.

Jeeez that looks alright. The only team with a better hand is Adelaide, and though they humiliated the Hawks (a requirement for any Geelong side), I don't want us to be them!

 

[Down at K Park]

You would be surprised how many deals would actually been done by word already.....

But the club also has to agree to trade him. And then they have to get a suitable deal. That is not happening before the regular season is even finished. That's surely a discussion for once the season has wrapped up?

All this talk of trading in midfielders for mine is not much of a necessity. We have plenty and with 3 high draft picks we can add more. If we do trade it should be to fill a need. I think the availability of Crouch is an exception if he can be got for nothing. Clearly ruck and key forward are our needs and if there is any trading I’d like that filled first.

I’d also be keen on not using all 3 first round picks this year. Not the best year for draft knowledge due to no games in Vic. Ideally I’d look to get one of this years first rounders into next years draft so 2 this year 2 next year



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If you look at it from another angle, it also allows Vic players to slide who otherwise would have gone higher. More risk, but can come with higher reward. I reckon that is right up Wells alley.

 

[JohnZ]

If WCE finishes 5th (fingers crossed) and they lose their first final, that pick 15 becomes pick 12.

 

[Turbocat]

I think Crouch clearly makes us a better player next year than the fringe guys people are panicking over losing...it's just I wouldn't want to give him 5 year a given his injury history. If we get him on a lower contract he is a fine addition.

As for Narkle we play him when he's fit usually..he's been injured..recently back..has things to work on. Not proven..I'd like to keep him but I wouldn't panic over losing him every year we lose fringe players and do fine.

Im not sure who you mean with panic..maybe its just flavour etc.. Id not say im overly concerned... with the potential loss of most players.. one has to understand that this year is unusual , its one of those situations that some younger players will be left standing when the music stops. ... not ideal to chop anyone before they have had a chance but if list sizes are coming down then ideal may have to be put in the freezer for the moment.

Crouch fits your paradigm.. and probably fits the MO that started when we brought in Danger. One only has to say that he will jump into the top 10 players and we get him FA then its smart to add him. Th eextra years are sometime a part of getting it done.. We offered that with Dahl , offered that to GSten ..and probably will to Crouch. At the right cost yes fine addition..and adds peg into the ground so that when we look at hwo is available in 1 or 2 years time they see so good players still in the 20's.

With the same logic ..id say our side looks balanced atm, id not be overly concerned if we lost Narkle to redress weaker spots on the list.... but as we know ..its not about us..its about him. My guess is he would look at even the talent in the VFL and would see plenty of competition. If someone offers him a 3 year deal somewhere id not be surprised to see him jump.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think the club would be keen enough to keep Narkle but I can also see them being honest with him, he's a way off best 22 at the moment because he's a pretty one-way player in midfield. Similar to Constable but with different skillsets. If for example they like Stephens as a two-way inside mid I can see them thinking one of Constable or Narkle is expendable, even before anyone else comes in. Of the two I'd keep Narkle personally because explosiveness is harder to find than accumulation and I think you could teach him defensive accountability, but he's also the one out of contract.

Could not have said it better myself. 100 % spot on.

 

[Turbocat]

But the club also has to agree to trade him. And then they have to get a suitable deal. That is not happening before the regular season is even finished. That's surely a discussion for once the season has wrapped up?



If you look at it from another angle, it also allows Vic players to slide who otherwise would have gone higher. More risk, but can come with higher reward. I reckon that is right up Wells alley.

Id say this is almost like night follows day thing.. he is OOC..if he gets an offer ..and he wants out then the club can only push so far. Depending on where and to who ... and we have shown that we believe in keeping things moving.. if he said he wanted out to lets say Melb... then my guess a deal is one reasonably quickly.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If WCE finishes 5th (fingers crossed) and they lose their first final, that pick 15 becomes pick 12.

Might change after academy bids though.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Trading into next year's draft totally makes sense but I don't think it'll be a priority because we know Wells a) likes a smokey, b) backs his eye in even when a player misses through injury in their draft year, and c) recruits SA and WA kids almost as often as Victorians. I think we'll try to move up the draft order and maybe trade for a player but probably not a sideways trade into next year.

Side note, can anyone give me a rundown on the picks we have after the first round? I remember us getting Gold Coast's third rounder in the Jenkins deal but do we have our standard second and third rounders?

We have 3 picks in the teens plus our R2. We traded our R3 and 4 for taheny last year.