Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[dazbroncos]

Narkle being floated as one to leave the club. Not sure I want him to go.

Is narkle trying to beat the market a bit and not be left without a chair when the music stops by heading to a Melb based club?
And the artilce relating to him only playing 6 games a season... but distorted by the ACL that took him out for 12 months that does not get mentioned.

And with Chook bound to be mentioned again, id consider this. If Skip is being managed as much as he is currently - with knees and the like, we are gonna need inside depth past Guth and Menegola. Chook as a distributor will be needed in 2021.

Food for though

GO Catters

 

[Turbocat]

I think the club would be keen enough to keep Narkle but I can also see them being honest with him, he's a way off best 22 at the moment because he's a pretty one-way player in midfield. Similar to Constable but with different skillsets. If for example they like Stephens as a two-way inside mid I can see them thinking one of Constable or Narkle is expendable, even before anyone else comes in. Of the two I'd keep Narkle personally because explosiveness is harder to find than accumulation and I think you could teach him defensive accountability, but he's also the one out of contract.

Sometimes I think the list management seems to be like driving on a pot holed road, one tries to keep it on track, gets bounced around a bit they corrects .. players that are OOC ..one has little control so if he gets an offer and wants out its geta deal done and move on.. I see Constable as slightly more replaceable but Narkle is as well. Most players are. Players will look around, especially if not in best22. ..

Trading into next year's draft totally makes sense but I don't think it'll be a priority because we know Wells a) likes a smokey, b) backs his eye in even when a player misses through injury in their draft year, and c) recruits SA and WA kids almost as often as Victorians. I think we'll try to move up the draft order and maybe trade for a player but probably not a sideways trade into next year.

Side note, can anyone give me a rundown on the picks we have after the first round? I remember us getting Gold Coast's third rounder in the Jenkins deal but do we have our standard second and third rounders?

Just like last year with the GC pick, it seems they are willing to look multiple drafts ahead ..the reduction in list size is not something they would have planned for but yes ..like with Evan..it would not surprise if SW sees value with someone late..

Could we see them trade out into next year.? yes Could we see them trade multiple picks to move earlier? Yes ..it would give the option of only taking three players ..or if they really want to , they might redraft a player who they have delisted who is still contracted, or look for one of his smokies picks with a late pick. He may see not much difference in or P36 to a P50-P60... so maybe P15 and P36 for P10 (Dogs type deal 1614 points for 1395).. who really knows but in a way, it would probably be more of a surprise if he does nothing.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

The only real issue I have with is chasing free agents while we have 3 first round picks is we end up trading for them.

 

[Turbocat]

The only real issue I have with is chasing free agents while we have 3 first round picks is we end up trading for them.

We need to be willing to walk away ..but I agree historically we don't .. we tend to just do what ever to get it done. I cant see how it help witn Crouch as I doubt we would trade any more than they get with Comp

 

[frggr]

Not sure if its been posted, but Brad Crouch is an option for Essendon, too. Seems better suited there, I think, but who knows.

Brad Crouch on Bombers' radar as Crows continue talks

Brad Crouch has indicated he would prefer to remain with the Crows but the Bombers are one of a number of clubs assessing his worth.

www.theage.com.au

 

[calder_daddy]

Young Geelong midfielder open to a move

The Cats on-baller was a chance to leave the cattery last season.

www.sen.com.au

It was posted on a Facebook group not long ago as seen about and SEN is running with the story.
I like Narkle as he seems like a really good kid, I have in the past not really minded the players we have traded and only really hated one trade “Brent Moloney” but that needed to happen.
If Narkle does go somewhere else I wish him all the best, hopefully a future 2nd for him but more likely a future 3rd.
PS Brad crouch is a massive upgrade on him and would be in our starting Midfield from round 1

 

[gaz love x]

Not sure if its been posted, but Brad Crouch is an option for Essendon, too. Seems better suited there, I think, but who knows.

Brad Crouch on Bombers' radar as Crows continue talks

Brad Crouch has indicated he would prefer to remain with the Crows but the Bombers are one of a number of clubs assessing his worth.

www.theage.com.au

Yeah Essendon are crying out for a player like that so would be a great move for both parties there. Issue for them will be if Daniher leaves as an FA they'll forfeit their compo.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Narkle being floated as one to leave the club. Not sure I want him to go.

Is narkle trying to beat the market a bit and not be left without a chair when the music stops by heading to a Melb based club?
And the artilce relating to him only playing 6 games a season... but distorted by the ACL that took him out for 12 months that does not get mentioned.

And with Chook bound to be mentioned again, id consider this. If Skip is being managed as much as he is currently - with knees and the like, we are gonna need inside depth past Guth and Menegola. Chook as a distributor will be needed in 2021.

Food for though

GO Catters

I want to keep chook but there's no guarantee we will even play him next year as he's a one position player who is competing with more versatile players for a spot. He might need to wait a while here whereas he would play at some other clubs now.

 

[frggr]

Yeah Essendon are crying out for a player like that so would be a great move for both parties there. Issue for them will be if Daniher leaves as an FA they'll forfeit their compo.

Does that still stand if they trade for B. Crouch, rather than get him on FA?

 

[Footy Smarts]

I'd be disappointed if we lost Narkle. Of all the fringe young smalls I think he along with Clark and Fogarty have got the highest ceiling. Hard to convince him to stay when there are so many in the queue though and he's not shown enough justify us passing on Crouch (especially if he comes as a free agent).

 

[Jimmy Willis Jawline]

Do we really want Crouch? What do you think he brings to the table?

 

[Drunkcat]

I hope it's true about Narkle don't think we need him he is a lazy footballer and next year he is 24 and only 17 games

 

[Footy Smarts]

The key issue is not just how the list will look in 18 months, or whether there will be spots in the team, but how the list and the team will look in four or five years.

Cook's comments a year ago strongly suggested that the club had realised that putting the financial imperative to stay competitive, and ideally to make prelims, every year meant that they had never pushed quite hard enough for a flag. That seems to have changed and we topped up with much older players like Jenkins and Steven. But it can't keep going like that:

In four years it is not only Ablett and Taylor who will be gone, but most if not all of Hawkins, Selwood, Jenkins, Tuohy, Henderson, Steven, Dangerfield, Stanley, Blicavs, Rohan, Duncan, Menegola, Guthrie and Dahlhaus - in order of age, Guthrie and Dahl the youngest at 28 at the moment. As we did a few years ago we have a demographic "hole" - one that was filled with the recruitment of four players all from the same draft year - from memory, Scooter, Stanley, Henderson, and .... one other ...

Of current Cats, O'Connor, Parfitt, Henry and Meiers look like core players, and you'd hope that Clark, Stephens and deKoning could be. But that would still mean drafting or trading about four best 22 players each year to stay competitive, when history says that two is average, three very good, and four freakishly good. We need to squeeze some best 22 players out of our untried and fringe players to stay competitive (which also means staying attractive as a trade destination).

Given the Covid squeeze, the Cats would be much better served in the medium and long term by pushing hard on another two or three older players than they would be by cutting either untried or fringe players from whom they might get five or ten years of games from, as compared to two or three. It might even be worth paying out a couple who have contracts.

We're likely to find it really difficult when Hawkins, Selwood and Danger along with handy players like Henderson, Tuohy and Steven all finish up or decline together. After 2011 we had Selwood, Hawkins and Taylor as still young players who carried us to finals. We won't have that this time so it's basically certain we'll drop down. But given the gun old players we've got we'd be mad not to go 100% for premierships right now. Of course we can manage players and develop kids at the same time but in terms of recruitment the now should be prioritised while we're a genuine chance. At some point in the next few years we'll likely hit a wall pretty quickly but hopefully we've got a flag or two to dull the pain. And with free agency you can rebuild pretty quickly these days.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Does that still stand if they trade for B. Crouch, rather than get him on FA?

No only if he is FA. They cAnt trade their R1 though.

 

[caitsith01]

We're likely to find it really difficult when Hawkins, Selwood and Danger along with handy players like Henderson, Tuohy and Steven all finish up or decline together. After 2011 we had Selwood, Hawkins and Taylor as still young players who carried us to finals. We won't have that this time so it's basically certain we'll drop down. But given the gun old players we've got we'd be mad not to go 100% for premierships right now. Of course we can manage players and develop kids at the same time but in terms of recruitment the now should be prioritised while we're a genuine chance. At some point in the next few years we'll likely hit a wall pretty quickly but hopefully we've got a flag or two to dull the pain. And with free agency you can rebuild pretty quickly these days.

I get the sentiment of this post, but when you look at it we've gone very well without Ablett or Selwood for extended periods this year and with Harry not being the intercept marking force he once was. Hawkins is the biggest issue at this point - very, very hard to replace. Hopefully the rumours about Jeremy Cameron are accurate.

 

[caitsith01]

Narkle being floated as one to leave the club. Not sure I want him to go.

Is narkle trying to beat the market a bit and not be left without a chair when the music stops by heading to a Melb based club?
And the artilce relating to him only playing 6 games a season... but distorted by the ACL that took him out for 12 months that does not get mentioned.

And with Chook bound to be mentioned again, id consider this. If Skip is being managed as much as he is currently - with knees and the like, we are gonna need inside depth past Guth and Menegola. Chook as a distributor will be needed in 2021.

Food for though

GO Catters

No way should we let Narkle go. He's right in the window where promising players become very good players, and he was just starting to look very good. Hate to lose kids when the club has already put a few years into getting them going.

Constable I can understand from the point of view that for whatever reason the club doesn't seem to think he fits into the best 22 on any variation, so he should be given the chance to look elsewhere.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Playing with hypertheticals, let’s say we recruit Brad as a free agent this year. Would you also add Matt at the end of 2021? who will Ben a free agent then. We could lose Selwood and Steven from the midfield by then. But would hopefully have Stephen maybe Constable playing regular games by then. How many is too many inside mids?

 

[foxdog50]

I call BS for two reasons

1. You can't say the cats haven't been playing him when fit

2. Brad Crouch to the cats is on the lower end of probability. I think he's a great player but with cap dropping and his injury risk a large contract for him would be a huge strategic mis-step. The kind that hurts us for years.

Young Geelong midfielder open to a move

The Cats on-baller was a chance to leave the cattery last season.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Footy Smarts]

I get the sentiment of this post, but when you look at it we've gone very well without Ablett or Selwood for extended periods this year and with Harry not being the intercept marking force he once was. Hawkins is the biggest issue at this point - very, very hard to replace. Hopefully the rumours about Jeremy Cameron are accurate.

Yeah but a lot of the guys who have taken on their work will also be getting on. By the end of the 2022 season we'll have:

Ablett and Taylor retired.
Selwood and Hawkins 34.
Tuohy, Henderson, Steven and Dangerfield 32.
Stanley, Blicavs, Rohan and Duncan 31.
Menegola, Guthrie and Dahlhaus 30.

There's no reason most of these guys can't play at a very high level to this age so being premiership contenders from 2020-2022 is absolutely possible. But then we're likely to be losing 4 best 22 players a year for a few years which is similar to 2011-2015 time period. I'm not saying we'll definitely fall down the ladder but it will be a huge challenge to compete with those retirements.

 

[foxdog50]

Narkle being floated as one to leave the club. Not sure I want him to go.

Is narkle trying to beat the market a bit and not be left without a chair when the music stops by heading to a Melb based club?
And the artilce relating to him only playing 6 games a season... but distorted by the ACL that took him out for 12 months that does not get mentioned.

And with Chook bound to be mentioned again, id consider this. If Skip is being managed as much as he is currently - with knees and the like, we are gonna need inside depth past Guth and Menegola. Chook as a distributor will be needed in 2021.

Food for though

GO Catters

The Catattack last week basically said Constable gone at the season end

 

[foxdog50]

Do we really want Crouch? What do you think he brings to the table?

Me personally id rather Keep Constable and not go with Crouch as thats money in the bank with savings.
But i think Geelong are really interested in Crouch and sadly Constable will be gone...
I wouldn't mind Crouch but I don't want to pay him big coin.... 600 g would be the max

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No way should we let Narkle go. He's right in the window where promising players become very good players, and he was just starting to look very good. Hate to lose kids when the club has already put a few years into getting them going.

Constable I can understand from the point of view that for whatever reason the club doesn't seem to think he fits into the best 22 on any variation, so he should be given the chance to look elsewhere.

I agree but Constable is contracted and Narkle isn't.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Me personally id rather Keep Constable and not go with Crouch as thats money in the bank with savings.
But i think Geelong are really interested in Crouch and sadly Constable will be gone...
I wouldn't mind Crouch but I don't want to pay him big coin.... 600 g would be the max

The question is since that probably only gets them band 2 (pick 19) will Adelaide let him go here or match the bid?

 

[MeffDog]

We can sometimes over rate our players, seeing only their best versions.

Narkle and Constable have trade currency and aren’t in our best 22. We could get a couple of future 2nd or 3rd round picks (Or pick upgrades) this year as clubs will see them as safer bets. Picks 30 plus this year will be a lottery.

If club lists reduce to 38 plus 2 rookies. We will need to move on 11-13 players to allow for our new draftees. I like Phillips, Henry and Walsh - Henry and Walsh (and Stephens) would probably get just as much games in 2021 that Constable and Narkle received in 2020.

 

[Hamingja]

We can sometimes over rate our players, seeing only their best versions.

Narkle and Constable have trade currency and aren’t in our best 22. We could get a couple of future 2nd or 3rd round picks (Or pick upgrades) this year as clubs will see them as safer bets. Picks 30 plus this year will be a lottery.

If club lists reduce to 38 plus 2 rookies. We will need to move on 11-13 players to allow for our new draftees. I like Phillips, Henry and Walsh - Henry and Walsh (and Stephens) would probably get just as much games in 2021 that Constable and Narkle received in 2020.

I agree. They are in a similar spot to Gillies when we refused to trade him to Hawthorn. If they don't play at all next year, and personally I wouldn't have either in our projected best side for 2021, then they are basically worth nothing after another 12 months of not playing. Cash them in if we can get something half decent for them. Fogarty wouldn't be in our best side either so we would still have him for depth, along with Cooper Stephens who you would want to start getting games into, Simpson wasn't hopeless when he played plus whoever we happen to draft this year as well can all go towards depth coverage for the senior team.