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[iameviljez]

He absolutely was rated as a late first rounder. It's a myth that people say he wasn't rated at all. He played rep football for Victoria / Victoria Country from primary school age.

My memory lies somewhere between the two. It certainly wasn't seen as a "steal" like Hawkins was, but it wasn't a huge surprise either.

 

[feelinfeline]

And elite defence would be next in line too. Richmond showed this trait too.

Without Fritsch (pick 31) they might not even have got back in the game, so I think it's wise not to discount forwards entirely.

Whether he was brilliant recruiting or luck or (more likely) a combination of both, he's become one of the AFL's best forwards.

 

[iameviljez]

And elite defence would be next in line too. Richmond showed this trait too.

Let's not get too carried away about this, Richmond wouldn't have made the GF in 2019 if Lynch hadn't had a day out, and/or Hawkins hadn't gotten himself suspended.

 

[00VicWard001]

Yep, we've got a great H & A record, but the group and gameplan has clearly proven incapable of stepping up for finals over the same journey, and never has it been more cruelly and brutally exposed than in the last PF.

We've defied the equalisation process so far, but we've been stuck between the twixt and the twain too.........some hard calls need to be made across the group, strategy, and coaching, and it's good to see Hocking starting that process.

Mind you, I can't help but wonder if Scarlett gave Scott some brutal home truths and paid the price for it.

I like your post - except for me, this last part doesn’t make sense. The coaches all had a part in it. To assume that Scarlett gave some home truths would be like CS giving Scarlett home truths. Neither would be right or wrong. Both would be complicit in success and failure. Both may as well give Wells some home truths (which is also incorrect).

 

[iameviljez]

I like your post except for me -this last part doesn’t make sense. The coaches all had a part in it. To assume that Scarlett gave some home truths would be like CS giving Scarlett home truths. Neither would be right or wrong. Both would be complicit in success and failure. Both may as well give Wells some home truths (which is also incorrect).

Basically, yes.

Also it doesn't help matters that Scarlett is well-enough regarded as a hothead with a talent for putting others offside.

 

[Warhorse]

He absolutely was rated as a late first rounder. It's a myth that people say he wasn't rated at all. He played rep football for Victoria / Victoria Country from primary school age.

Incorrect. Was never rated a 1st rounder. 3rd was about where he was rated. He was average for Vic Country and in the u18s.

 

[00VicWard001]

He’s a Dangerfield clone

Better kick though I think. Less explosiveness.
I’m talking about when they were both at their peak.

 

[00VicWard001]

Easy kill these days.
Love to be a fly on the wall during opposition pregame speeches v the Cats.
Nobody really fears us anymore, and we are seen as soft and panicky under pressure.
The age thing is an issue.
Perhaps the softness creeps in as players get older, losing that perception of indestructability. Fear of putting body on the line.
Young families, perspectives, priorities change. More likely to back off a bit, just pick up the pay check. Especially if coaches are picking you week in week out, season after season despite stinking it up.
In Geelong’s case throw in a number of players that were inherently soft from day one.
I doubt whether a team with an older demographic can compete wholeheartedly in today’s high contact run and gun style finals footy, and our repeated big stage failures have proven that the slowdown possession style just doesn’t really cut it anymore.

What teams fear about us is not aggression. It is about system. Our system can take teams apart when it’s on. And that’s what opposition aims to disrupt, because without it, we revert back to being a team of just good players with not much aggression or heart.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Hang on. A master failure and a meme club? You’re actually either a child, or have an iq of sub 60. He’s won a premiership as a coach and had us finish top 4 a record amount of times. You spoiled entitled
Brat. Clearly you have no memory of the 70’s 80’s or 90’s and, you have no concept of how hard flags are to win. This board has descended into a breeding ground for halfwits and babies.

Mate - you can forget all about the 70 and 80s because 5-6 teams had no money and thus no hope

Why do you think Melb had a 57 year drought - Dogs 62 year - Cats 44 years Sth Melb /Syd 70 plus years - because they all had no money

Yet in the same 70s/80s - Carlton won 6 flags - that says it all - and look where they are today - 26 years and counting

It is a fair system today - no excuse for any team - back in the 70/80s - for 5-6 teams - you basically needed a Leicester City type miracle for them to win a premiership

 

[00VicWard001]

Basically, yes.

Also it doesn't help matters that Scarlett is well-enough regarded as a hothead with a talent for putting others offside.

Even if they disagreed - I guarantee that it wouldn’t have been yelling. Both are confident enough, and respectful enough, to not resort to that. It would have been a firm disagreement and then both realised that they couldn’t go forward together.

 

[iameviljez]

Even if they disagreed - I guarantee that it wouldn’t have been yelling. Both are confident enough, and respectful enough, to not resort to that. It would have been a firm disagreement and then both realised that they couldn’t go forward together.

I can't agree with that, Scarlo has a history of losing control (Justin Murphy, Hayden Ballantyne).

 

[00VicWard001]

Let's not get too carried away about this, Richmond wouldn't have made the GF in 2019 if Lynch hadn't had a day out, and/or Hawkins hadn't gotten himself suspended.

Lynch had the ball put to him on a plate with the centre square barrage that we got from them.

Hawkins made a difference - but that’s because he’s experienced and had cohesion with the team. Against Melbourne - we had Hawkins, Rohan, Ratagolea and Cameron - our A team. They had no chance as Melbourne’s midfield dominated us and pressured us - and made it easy for their defence to pick off the balls coming into our 50.

 

[00VicWard001]

I can't agree with that, Scarlo has a history of losing control (Justin Murphy, Hayden Ballantyne).

He’s in his 40s now. You might be right - but surely he would have grown up some.

 

[Cataholic]

I like your post - except for me, this last part doesn’t make sense. The coaches all had a part in it. To assume that Scarlett gave some home truths would be like CS giving Scarlett home truths. Neither would be right or wrong. Both would be complicit in success and failure. Both may as well give Wells some home truths (which is also incorrect).

I was only speculating on who initiated it, and why, as a curious aside.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Better kick though I think. Less explosiveness.
I’m talking about when they were both at their peak.

Marginally a better kick. Both stars.

 

[00VicWard001]

Marginally a better kick. Both stars.

And less of a wrecking ball.
Danger really should be positioned like Gary Ablett Snr. He would be a weapon for the next few years. We talk about needing a high flying player in that area - well that’s Danger. And he would put defenders under serious pressure with his physicality, speed and willingness to hit them hard.


Rohan should be in the backline. He’s a good field kick and a great pressure player. He can rack up touches if he is in that area.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Quite a few of us watched the side meander through 40 odd years of achieving absolutely nothing to see 2007 - 11.

Now another 10 years have already passed us by.

That's what, 55 years of footy for the 3 premierships? I'd say we're fairly hardened and not so brittle as to fall into despair if we drop out of the 8. It's very familiar territory.....

There is a big difference between out of the 8 and bottom 3 every year like melb were. We are pretty much the only team not to have a top 5 pick in the last 20 years.

 

[iameviljez]

There is a big difference between out of the 8 and bottom 3 every year like melb were. We are pretty much the only team not to have a top 5 pick in the last 20 years.

Geelong has never ever finished lower than 13th.

 

[cats_09]

If I was recruiter reckon keep Clark, go hard for a disgruntled mid 20s mid of quality (coniglio, dunkley, ) tell them they will lead midfield for 5 years
Go hard at Trading in Flynn who is ultra promising and OOC,
Hit draft for Knevitt and a couple of good sliders for midfield, goalscoring shark
Offload Fort to brissy,
Trade Kreuger 34 and 52 to Pies for future 1sr rounder to give them points required for daicos.
Use Pies future 1st to get into 1st round this year
Come to agreement with dahlhaus
Lower Rohans dollars in new contract
Lower Kolos dollars in new contract
Keep Henderson 1 year to support sdk to come on
Get development coaches to work hard with
Parfitts kicking technique
Sdks strength
Narkles defensive work and fitness
Constables engine
Rohans mental approach - sport psychologist
Clark's love of the club
Stephens match fitness

Bring a real forward coach and ruck coach

Selectors need to have a back 7, not 9. We need a mid forward structure first
Back 7 should basically comprise
O'Connor, Bews, Blicavs, Hendo/SDK, Stewart, Henry, Clark

Midfield
Coniglio/Dunkley type, Duncan, Guthrie, Selwood/ Constable, Parfitt, Narkle,

Wings
Tuohy, Smith, Menegola

Forwards
Hawkins, Cameron, Dangerfield, Close, Miers, Simpson

Rucks
Stanley, Flynn/Ladhams type

I/C Flynn, Menegola, Bews, Stephens

Extras Draftees, Stevens, Rohan, Kolo, Atkins, Zuthrie, Ratagolea, Higgins

A little more energy and solid management to have another crack. Young guys performing well enough come in.
Youngsters, mid age and experience on every line
Presto

Not sure Dunkley is disgruntled considering he'll be signing a contract extension to stay with the Bulldogs

Coniglio is on stupid money which seems to be a key reason why GWS may be willing to move him on - not sure if we really want to take on his salary and if we expect GWS to pay a good portion of his salary we'd need to find at least 1 top 10 pick

Collingwood would laugh at that trade proposal as would any team likely to not play finals - if Collingwood ended up with pick 10 next year it would value Kreuger at pick 31, if Collingwood had pick 5 it would value Kreuger at pick 16. Collingwood would wanted at least 3 picks from us, something like 30, 32 & 52 to even consider it

 

[Strange Cat]

He absolutely was rated as a late first rounder. It's a myth that people say he wasn't rated at all. He played rep football for Victoria / Victoria Country from primary school age.

Really? All I can remember at the time was how lucky he was to be drafted and how he wouldn’t make it. I can’t remember him being rated as highly as you were saying he was at all.

 

[iameviljez]

There is a big difference between out of the 8 and bottom 3 every year like melb were. We are pretty much the only team not to have a top 5 pick in the last 20 years.

Sydney, if Academy picks don't count.

Port only got into the Rozee pick because they traded their arses off into it.

Nobody else I can think of though.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Just to put the resource gap between us and Melbourne into an easy to understand form. We pulling some Oakland As level sh*t to get where we are.

The gap in total spend is equivalent to 6 pick 7s, I used pick 7 as the comparison as it is the highest pick we a have used to acquire a player on our list.

They've almost spent the same value in trades to acquire player and almost double at the draft.

	Melbourne	Geelong	M spend to G spend Ratio
Drafted	23453	12321	1.9
Traded	5301	6625	0.8
Total	28754	18946	1.52
Trade to Draft ratio	0.23	0.54

Note: this is for player that are currently on their list and doesn't include the large numbers of Trengoves and Toumpas that they burnt to get here. They've burnt more early picks then we've had



Also last year our Cockatoo to Melbourne Future R3 to Pick 33 trades couldn't have gone any better, thanks GC, who continue their trend of giving up free DVI to anyone who asks politely

Very illuminating. But people wont realise how well we have done to keep competing with the resources we have.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

Danger I think needs to go forward, he could already be an all Australian half forward and if you give him 20 weeks to develop his leading patterns etc - he will only get better

Also think Geelong need to protect him as one of our best assets for next 3-4 years

He limps into every finals series as a mid and tries his guts out to limited avail

Not sure we could win it next year- but not ruling us out in 2-3 so why not have him playing now where he will be then- may extend his career too

Rohan to back flank like some have raised I like as well- no sense in him getting a game over Evans, Simpson, close or Miers next year


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[Pure_Ownage]

Sydney, if Academy picks don't count.

Port only got into the Rozee pick because they traded their arses off into it.

Nobody else I can think of though.

Sydney took dylan stephens at 3 in 2019.

Port took boak at 5 in 2006.

They also got wingard at 7 who was really a top 5 talent (because gws had the first 5 picks and he told them he wouldnt play for them.

Point is we have had sustained success while being the only team to do it without top 5 picks.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah, there appears to have been a 'disconnect' between the coaches at some point

Would be very interested to hear the circumstances around the blue they had. There's a rumour they almost came to blows.

I imagine it doesn't take much for Scarlett to throw a punch or two. He's good for driving standards in a settled group but I'm not sure creative solutions and guidance of developing players would be his strong point. He's not the type of coach we will need going forward. A choco Williams would be good.