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[year of the cat]

So on the bottom for 5 years! Melbourne must had at least 10 1st rounder on their list by being cellar dwellers for a decade.

Doesn’t need to be as long as the Demons. They made plenty of errors along the way. You’d hope to be a lot better than their experience.

 

[tielgaz]

No Duncan though…hmmm


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This is the problem, teams step up in the finals and we play worse! Need a simpler game plan that stacks up in finals. If we have one of the better forward lines we need to move the ball quicker surely!

 

[tielgaz]

And an injection of youth. They had Jackson, Pickett, Sparrow, Spargo, Rivers and Bowey. All under 21. Who said you can’t win a flag with a crop of kids?

They didn’t win them the game it was won out on the middle with 2 players getting 70 touches.

 

[Jmac2225]

Could just be that the premiers end up being too good. Not just for us, but for every other team in the comp.

No way was any team winning this flag.

Its a long season. Ok, so you beat The premiers during the season. Are you saying that GWS could have beaten Melbourne, just because they beat them in round 16 this year? The dogs beat Melbourne during the year. Plenty of teams beat the premiers during the season.

premiership Teams pick up form at the right time. They build cohesion.

Also - Did Melbourne have any injuries to major cogs in their team? No.

For all the doom and gloom on this board last night showed how far ahead of the pack the Dees were.

The way they dismantled the bulldogs from the 15 minute mark of the 3rd quarter was every bit as comprehensive of a belting as we copped last week.

I know it’s little consolation but but not being as entitled as many of the posters here I’m pretty proud of our mobs year.

We probably have had one of the worse run of injuries out of the finals contestants not just in finals but throughout the year and competed well but never had an opportunity to peak as a group.

Having said that even if everything went right no one was beating the Dees last night. They were young, hungry and primed much like us in 07.

 

[year of the cat]

They didn’t win them the game it was won out on the middle with 2 players getting 70 touches.

That were both drafted with early picks.

My point is that you need to invest in kids and play them. They might be better than some of the pensioners we are currently playing.

 

[tielgaz]

For all the doomsdayers. We were in front of the premiers when the final siren sounded in round 23. Yes we need to make some changes to the game plan. But there’s an enormous upside coming. Holmes will be better with another preseason under his belt. So will Ratugolea, Simpson, Narkle, Miers and Clark (if he stays, and let’s not forget, he’s contracted and hasn’t asked for a trade yet). The club have very high hopes for Stephen’s, and it’s quite plausible he has a big preseason and comes out playing good senior footy from round 1. Jack Henry started this year in the VFL, and by round 23 he was being talked about as a possible AA defender. He has huge upside. De koning is
A huge talent. He’ll be better with another preseason and we will start to see him play senior footy.

From the team we put out in round 23, we only need 3 or 4 of these kids to improve by 15% and it changes the dynamic of the whole side.

ie -

B: Henry, DeKoning (Hendo), Stewart (kolo)
HB: Duncan (O’Connor), Blicavs, Clark (Atkins)
C: Stephens (Menegola) Guthrie, Smith
HF: Narkle (Dahlhaus) Cameron, Ratugolea
F: Close, Hawkins, Miers
R: Stanley, Selwood, Danger
IB: Holmes, Simpson, Parfitt, Bews

Whilst I agree to some extent we beat most sides in the home and away season, it’s the finals that we fall away. Look at Melb and the dogs, they went to another level where we didn’t. It’s the game plan and fitness that needs changing and some midfield grunt. No use saying we can beat them because we were in front in the home and away season, we need to go up a level in the final. Maybe the fact that we are an older side is an issue. If so rest them more and play some younger talent more in the home and away season.

 

[year of the cat]

Food for thought. Demons won last night with 2 fairly average tall forwards. They won with a crop of mids that have been together for a number of years - mainly Petracca, Oliver and Brayshaw. Very similar to our team when Bartel, Ablett, Corey had matured. Our forwards in Mooney, N.Ablett and even Hawkins at that time were hardly the best in the comp.

It’s elite midfields with finals game plans that win premierships.

 

[tielgaz]

For all the doom and gloom on this board last night showed how far ahead of the pack the Dees were.

The way they dismantled the bulldogs from the 15 minute mark of the 3rd quarter was every bit as comprehensive of a belting as we copped last week.

I know it’s little consolation but but not being as entitled as many of the posters here I’m pretty proud of our mobs year.

We probably have had one of the worse run of injuries out of the finals contestants not just in finals but throughout the year and competed well but never had an opportunity to peak as a group.

Having said that even if everything went right no one was beating the Dees last night. They were young, hungry and primed much like us in 07.

We've picked up what 3-4 players over 30 in the last decade. Someone call ACA. SCANDALOUS.
Far too much focus on here on D.O.B and not talent. Too many wanting the likes of Clark, Narkle, Constable, Kreuger to get games when they are barely up to it.

Two have been shopped in trade period's gone for no takers.
Clark couldn't hack it in Scarlo's defence.
Kreuger... No idea why he's a thing. Shown next to nothing.

finally some objective analysis, if they were good enough they would be playing as Holmes is who is in his first year and passed a few. No use saying all our young players want out because they aren’t being played when the reason is they haven’t been up to it. Having said that Clarke is worth keeping as he has upside.

 

[Cataholic]

finally some objective analysis, if they were good enough they would be playing as Holmes is who is in his first year and passed a few. No use saying all our young players want out because they aren’t being played when the reason is they haven’t been up to it. Having said that Clarke is worth keeping as he has upside.

So we've got a handful of young guys who aren't up to it, and a good handful of old guys who aren't up to it either.

Where does it leave us?

 

[tielgaz]

That were both drafted with early picks.

My point is that you need to invest in kids and play them. They might be better than some of the pensioners we are currently playing.

They are better but were taken no 2 and 3 in the draft. You need to finish in the bottom few to get them. You don’t get players like that in the 30s when our picks come up.

 

[tielgaz]

So we've got a handful of young guys who aren't up to it, and a good handful of old guys who aren't up to it either.

Where does it leave us?

Yes agree, I suppose you get rid of a few old and young guys and keep trying to improve your list.

 

[Cataholic]

They are better but were taken no 2 and 3 in the draft. You need to finish in the bottom few to get them. You don’t get players like that in the 30s when our picks come up.

And that's how the equalisation works.

We've resisted the pull of gravity so far.......

 

[Cataholic]

Yes agree, I suppose you get rid of a few old and young guys and keep trying to improve your list.

And give them a better gameplan.

 

[Jmac2225]

And give them a better gameplan.

The problem is the game plan is made to suit our list. We can’t play a fast run n gun game plan if we don’t have the legs.

Not to say we can’t make some tweaks and improve it but I think the core game plan suits us.

One thing that needs to improve though is options positioning forward of the ball.

Too often when we actually do get the fast break we don’t have anything to kick to going forward because we have pushed up too far and are too slow to fall back toward goal.

 

[catman2006]

The problem is the game plan is made to suit our list. We can’t play a fast run n gun game plan if we don’t have the legs.

Not to say we can’t make some tweaks and improve it but I think the core game plan suits us.

One thing that needs to improve though is options positioning forward of the ball.

Too often when we actually do get the fast break we don’t have anything to kick to going forward because we have pushed up too far and are too slow to fall back toward goal.

I agree the game plan does suit the old legs but that's the problem, the new rules have opened the game up more, so the trend is to have a faster gameplan

 

[Cataholic]

The problem is the game plan is made to suit our list. We can’t play a fast run n gun game plan if we don’t have the legs.

Not to say we can’t make some tweaks and improve it but I think the core game plan suits us.

One thing that needs to improve though is options positioning forward of the ball.

Too often when we actually do get the fast break we don’t have anything to kick to going forward because we have pushed up too far and are too slow to fall back toward goal.

Yes, the gameplan has been tailored to our list, which has been sculpted by the decision to recruit older guys.

The two are intertwined.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yes, the gameplan has been tailored to our list, which has been sculpted by the decision to recruit older guys.

The two are intertwined.

They were not that old when we started this game plan. We started out to protect a vulnerable backline against a top side that was scoring heavily from turnovers. That we were able to continue this with a list That went past it best before date is actually pretty amazing.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

wish list is Scott to coach the suns and takes Kolo Blitz and Menegola with him would have said dalhaus but even the suns aren't that stupid.

I got accused of trolling for suggesting this a few weeks ago, although I could have worded it better my version was Guthrie brothers and blitz - you can advocate for change without being disrespectful to those you nominate for trading in my opinion

Last night was a good result for Geelong-

We don’t have what it takes currently. But are a great club with good people

Go cats


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[Pure_Ownage]

Bingo. Until we drop and pick up elite young midfielders, we will be paddling.

Melbourne only got that by being absolute shit for many years plus dodgy afl compo (see frawley) thats not a plan to follow and we would be silly to try. Even in our bad years we wont drop enough to get top 5 picks..we just have to maximise what picks we will have.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

I think it’s important to remember that Melbourne were on the bottom for a very long time. Their current team is very good and as pointed out here full of early picks. But they also had more early picks than all those and plenty of players they traded for that failed.
Its not as simple as spending a couple of years at the bottom then suddenly you’ve got a team full of early picks that can win you a flag.

We should also recognise that throughout the last decade we haven’t tried the same method of building. We tried to add players through the draft with late first round picks. We adapted with free agency to recruit players to fill holes. And more recently we’ve recruited more of those past 30.

Obviously lots of teams are trying different methods to win a premiership. Other teams methods have been different to ours and they mostly have failed as well.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

No, just a lot of us wanting to recognise that the group we currently have - both young and old aren’t going to cut it. That the game plan is garbage. And that we need to invest in the draft rather than trade picks away.

Weird then that Rabs didn’t even go close to mentioning that.

I agree we should go to the draft with our picks this year and not be trading them for players, to improve our draft hand though - yes.

 

[Cataholic]

They were not that old when we started this game plan. We started out to protect a vulnerable backline against a top side that was scoring heavily from turnovers. That we were able to continue this with a list That went past it best before date is actually pretty amazing.

Yep, we've got a great H & A record, but the group and gameplan has clearly proven incapable of stepping up for finals over the same journey, and never has it been more cruelly and brutally exposed than in the last PF.

We've defied the equalisation process so far, but we've been stuck between the twixt and the twain too.........some hard calls need to be made across the group, strategy, and coaching, and it's good to see Hocking starting that process.

Mind you, I can't help but wonder if Scarlett gave Scott some brutal home truths and paid the price for it.

 

[catman2006]

Would it be fair to say our game plan invites pressure due to the slow ball movement and with Finals the pressure goes up a notch?

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Would it be fair to say our game plan invites pressure due to the slow ball movement and with Finals the pressure goes up a notch?

Yup. And it requires a perfect execution by all players, and it allows teams to fold back and stop any forward movement which results in low scores.
Melbourne/Dogs/Richmond and those types don't need to play perfect football to win games, we do. And it's all down to gameplan.

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

Whilst I agree to some extent we beat most sides in the home and away season, it’s the finals that we fall away. Look at Melb and the dogs, they went to another level where we didn’t. It’s the game plan and fitness that needs changing and some midfield grunt. No use saying we can beat them because we were in front in the home and away season, we need to go up a level in the final. Maybe the fact that we are an older side is an issue. If so rest them more and play some younger talent more in the home and away season.

if you want to ignore injuries and a virus that came in September, that’s your prerogative. To win a flag, you need everything to go right. And
Your best midfielder getting a broken hand, and your best player and defender breaking a foot, and a virus sweeping through the changing rooms isn’t everything going right. I’m jot suggesting we would have won the flag by the way. I’m suggesting that if 4 young players have outstanding summers and improve, we could easily be around the mark next year, and there’s no cause for panic just yet.