Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah, but if you get Roughy and Franklin you are beyond set.

Worth looking at the best key forwards in the game at the moment acc. to the Coleman medal count. Hawkins was F/S but would have gone top three, ditto Daniher. Riewoldt was p12, Dixon and Bruce were Academy picks, Franklin p5, McKay p10, Ben King p6, Naughton p9. The only smoky in that was Tex Walker.

If you want a genuinely excellent key forward, you must have a high pick to draw on.

Sure, I wouldn't be religious about avoiding KPs early, but as a general guideline go the mids. I'm basically saying that, if starting from scratch, and you need both, take the mid.

For example, Luke Jackson at 3 was a reach at the time but what would Melbourne have even done with another midfielder?

 

[cats_09]

He needs to work on giving the ball to players in better spots .
Hopefully our new mid coach can help him.

He will never be a Oliver.

But I'd settle for j.lyons mk2.

Not asking for much....

Whether it's a fitness issue in regards to lack of endurance or not being trusted by the coaches, his low TOG is surely a concern and the key thing holding him back

From 12 senior appearances his only played over 70% twice and that was in his first season, and he's actually playing less now than when he started

As I said, not sure if it's a fitness thing or with the reduced interchanges that he spends more time on the bench and not rotated in as much, but in his only full game this season he only played 55% of the match which isn't good reading. What would it take for him to get his TOG up to 70/75%, because it's doubtful he'll become a regular senior player until he's able to do that

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I’d have to look at what we traded away and where we may have been likely to fall to if we hadn’t topped up. Crystal ball sort of stuff. But I think you are right, we wouldn’t have fallen to bottom 4 regardless. There still may have been some decent kids taken from 8-12 though which may have been in our range maybe.

For context the earliest pick we traded away over the period in question was 11 for Dangerfield and Milera was taken with it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Has he really dropped off or has he been repeatedly injured all year ( and suspended).

Yeah true, but some guys never really recover from a syndesmosis. Maybe he gets back the burst power and those first few steps but he's up against it at age 32 next year

 

[MacStradbroke]

He's better than that ... he doesn't have a Brownlow but he has a Norm Smith, and perhaps Danger would do the swap ...

We have very short memories don’t we.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

I thought at the time why do the Dees need Jackson .
But Gawn is 29 now ..
Jackson looks to be helping Gawn ...

Jackson is a ripper. When the Dees got on a roll from half way through the third it was with him in the middle, not Gawn. Then again, it wasn't down to his ruck work but the ridiculously elite clearance work of Petracca, Oliver and, to a lesser extent, Viney. Their mids just went berserk.

I copped shit in this very thread earlier in the week for suggesting that our lack of elite mids is more of an issue than a lack of a better ruckman, but I think it was proven again last night. When Treloar and the Bont got on top so did the Dogs, then Petracca and Oliver went nuts and so did the Dees. Same goes for Boak and Wines at Port etc.

There's a reason mids win all the awards and that's because it's the mids that win matches more often than not. As I said the other day, there is a new wave of elite mids in town and we have none of them.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The commentary and comparisons to Melb are ridiculous. On top of finishing in the bottom 5 about 6-7 years in a decade they have had AFL compo and Free Agent compo. Good luck to them that’s the system working.

Some of the Draft capital is circular but since 2010 they have had 16 picks under 12 to draft or trade with and matched a bid at #7 on Viney with a late 20s pick so thats 17 prime picks. On top of a further 11 picks btw 12 and 25.

They have had the draft capital to spend on picks or players like Bill Gates. The chances of bottoming out for two years nailing 2 picks and winning a premiership are about as rare as seeing a pink unicorn on Morrabool St

Not sure how much is the system though. After they tanked the priority pick was basically phased out. They lost basically all the afl handouts for no benefit. The real rebuild was in off field management and coaching group.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

Not sure how much is the system though. After they tanked the priority pick was basically phased out. They lost basically all the afl handouts for no benefit. The real rebuild was in off field management and coaching group.

Yeah, you only have to look at Carlton, GC etc to see that a bunch of early picks isn't enough in itself. Need to get the rest right as well otherwise it's just a merry go round of wasted talent.

 

[Strange Cat]

He needs to work on giving the ball to players in better spots .
Hopefully our new mid coach can help him.

He will never be a Oliver.

But I'd settle for j.lyons mk2.

Not asking for much....

His most important issue is his endurance much like Narkles fitness will be a big priority this pre season

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Whether it's a fitness issue in regards to lack of endurance or not being trusted by the coaches, his low TOG is surely a concern and the key thing holding him back

From 12 senior appearances his only played over 70% twice and that was in his first season, and he's actually playing less now than when he started

As I said, not sure if it's a fitness thing or with the reduced interchanges that he spends more time on the bench and not rotated in as much, but in his only full game this season he only played 55% of the match which isn't good reading. What would it take for him to get his TOG up to 70/75%, because it's doubtful he'll become a regular senior player until he's able to do that

Another thing I noticed in the little vfl I watched was that he was basically jogging in the corridor for large parts of the game.

It looked to me like he just couldn't compete in general play so between stoppages he would just be following the path of least distance forward and back waiting for a stoppage so he could ply his trade. Just semi walking along the edge of the centre square looking to pick out a cheap outlet disposal.

I can't see a role for him at afl level but apparently there's a contract in front of him. I'd delist and pick up whatever mid we can at the draft.

 

[Two Planks]

Everyone loves gossip this time of year and I was told a pretty far fetched tale yesterday that I thought I would/should share.

To put it into context it came from my brother who knows absolutely nothing about football but does have a mate with good connections at the club.

Apparently Scarlett is stepping away from football and will return as senior coach of Geelong in 2023. I suppose as long as Chris Scott

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doesn't sign an extension or Scarlett take up another job, their is a possibility it could be true.

I personally don't want either Scott or Scarlett to coach the club going forward.

 

[Stab Pass]

If you look at the Hawthorn game Constable does exactly as CatToTheFuture describes. Jogs back and forth just outside the edge of the centre square calling for the ball the whole time. For an inside mid he doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get to too many contests.

 

[iameviljez]

Everyone loves gossip this time of year and I was told a pretty far fetched tale yesterday that I thought I would/should share.

To put it into context it came from my brother who knows absolutely nothing about football but does have a mate with good connections at the club.

Apparently Scarlett is stepping away from football and will return as senior coach of Geelong in 2023. I suppose as long as Chris Scott doesn't sign an extension or Scarlett take up another job, their is a possibility it could be true.

I personally don't want either Scott or Scarlett to coach the club going forward.

That rumour is a lot of fun but sounds completely and utterly ridiculous. For one thing, why would a club that prides itself on running itself well not have a competitive recruitment process?

 

[iameviljez]

If you look at the Hawthorn game Constable does exactly as CatToTheFuture describes. Jogs back and forth just outside the edge of the centre square calling for the ball the whole time. For an inside mid he doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get to too many contests.

Admittedly you don't pick up 40 touches/week by not getting to contests.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If you look at the Hawthorn game Constable does exactly as CatToTheFuture describes. Jogs back and forth just outside the edge of the centre square calling for the ball the whole time. For an inside mid he doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get to too many contests.

I reckon it's a running pattern tailored for him to minimise his total distance. If you can make use of him there structurally sure it's great, but if it's a compromise which loses you other options then he shouldn't be out there

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Of course. What I’m saying is if we had invested in kids rather than trade/FA for Tuohy, Henderson, Rivers, Ablett, Rohan, Dahl, and more recently Cameron and Higgins we’d have likely dropped a bit. Would it have been enough to secure some quality kids?

Edit - didn’t include Dangerfield because that trade you’d have done every day of the week.

And thats a fair debate but i personally think it wouldnt have if you look at what those role playwrs have given us vs kids if we didnt have them i reckon it drops us from say 3-4th to 8th-10th no way do i think we would have dropped to bottom 4 and what would have been the benefit to go mid table given the cost of not playing finals? Given theres little draft quality difference between pick 1 and 20 but theres a massive difference between picks 1-5 and the rest which is why you pay a huge premium when you trade up to the top 5. Put it this way even if we do no trades besides danger the side still would have had peak hawkins danger selwood plus guthrie duncan menegola stewart blicavs henry miers parfitt moc bews plus 2 years of TK-do you honestly think a side with that nucleus would have been bottom 4?i think no way personally..we would have been mid pack without trade ins but not bottom 4.

And aside from cameron (who is too early to call) none of those players cost us much and most like tuohy and smith have been super value for what they cost us.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Admittedly you don't pick up 40 touches/week by not getting to contests.

You do to some degree in the vfl because the game is more scrappy and congested with more stoppages. At afl level where the skills are cleaner and theres much more spread running i doubt CC could get to 40 contests.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Admittedly you don't pick up 40 touches/week by not getting to contests.

He did pick up 40+ in two matches there you're right, but those two games are 10 disposals higher than any other game.

I wonder if there was something different about those games specifically? I remember the Brisbane game being really wet? Maybe there were just heaps of stoppages for him? Not sure on the Essendon game.

Regardless they don't look like the norm and he averages like 17-20 disposals at afl level so maybe it's just not repeatable at the level?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Everyone loves gossip this time of year and I was told a pretty far fetched tale yesterday that I thought I would/should share.

To put it into context it came from my brother who knows absolutely nothing about football but does have a mate with good connections at the club.

Apparently Scarlett is stepping away from football and will return as senior coach of Geelong in 2023. I suppose as long as Chris Scott doesn't sign an extension or Scarlett take up another job, their is a possibility it could be true.

I personally don't want either Scott or Scarlett to coach the club going forward.

No offence to your brother but Scarlo is about as much chance of coaching Geelong as i am. Wont happen.

 

[cats_09]

Everyone loves gossip this time of year and I was told a pretty far fetched tale yesterday that I thought I would/should share.

To put it into context it came from my brother who knows absolutely nothing about football but does have a mate with good connections at the club.

Apparently Scarlett is stepping away from football and will return as senior coach of Geelong in 2023. I suppose as long as Chris Scott doesn't sign an extension or Scarlett take up another job, their is a possibility it could be true.

I personally don't want either Scott or Scarlett to coach the club going forward.

I've seen a few people on FB saying that's what they want to see happen

 

[00VicWard001]

A lot of talk about getting THOSE Top 5 or even Top 10 picks to set yourselves up for the future.
Last night i watched the game with a mate of mine who's a BIG Saints supporter.
Every time BONT touched the ball he yelled "...and We took Billings!!"
Every time PETRACCA touched the ball he yelled "...and We took McCartin!!"
Every time Naughton touched the ball he yelled Yep u guessed it "...and We took Coffield!!"
Beware what you ask for.
As those high picks could turn into another decade of what if's, should've, could've & would've.
Cheers Boys.

I’m sure petracca was on the trade table a few years back.

Sometimes it all just clicks into place.

Gawn is a special player and a mature head who looks like an amazing captain. Just watching him interact with Fritsch during the game was so nice to see. Like a big brother with a little brother. He’s a big part of how they climbed to the top. And the coaches who decided that they trusted him to be the man.

I think if Viney was still captain, they wouldn’t have been premiers.

 

[cats_09]

Admittedly you don't pick up 40 touches/week by not getting to contests.

He did that twice this season - when we smashed Brisbane and Essendon

Named best on against Brisbane but only 3rd in the bests against Essendon

And earlier in the season when he was racking up disposals he wasn't getting in the bests at all

So it's one thing to accumulate disposals, but seems the coaches want to see him do more than just that

 

[iameviljez]

Whether it's a fitness issue in regards to lack of endurance or not being trusted by the coaches, his low TOG is surely a concern and the key thing holding him back

From 12 senior appearances his only played over 70% twice and that was in his first season, and he's actually playing less now than when he started

As I said, not sure if it's a fitness thing or with the reduced interchanges that he spends more time on the bench and not rotated in as much, but in his only full game this season he only played 55% of the match which isn't good reading. What would it take for him to get his TOG up to 70/75%, because it's doubtful he'll become a regular senior player until he's able to do that

Probably a bit of confidence from the coaching panel

 

[iameviljez]

You do to some degree in the vfl because the game is more scrappy and congested with more stoppages. At afl level where the skills are cleaner and theres much more spread running i doubt CC could get to 40 contests.

I think he has a 30-touch AFL game under his belt?

 

[Pollywaffle]

You could never accuse Sel of becoming soft as he ages, the body won't allow it so much now but he at least still gives it his best effort.

As I wrote my post I was thinking of mentioning Selwood as an exemption to that rule. Maybe Danger as well, but hard to get a read on him these days.
Also I think softness probably hardest to coach out of a player as it is a function of personality..
Top marshmallows for me:
Rohan
Blicavs
Kolo
Menegola
Higgins
Stanley
Miers (I know not old, but still soft)

Borderline:
C Guthrie
Smith
Duncan (post injuries)
Hawkins (petulant schoolboy type, easily rattled)