Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Pure_Ownage]

The hypothetical 8 for Clark + 30 values Clark at a little better than pick 20 by the AFL's points system so it doesn't sound totally outlandish

The points system clearly undervalues how much more clubs value top 10 picks vs later picks so asides from bid matching i wouldnt use it to value trades.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Parfitt is the 'jewel in the crown'

I know you said that with a touch of sarcasm - and that is fair enough because i dont rate him either

The one bit of excitement re Geel - is Holmes

Now Melb are the gun team - the premier team - and play a very attractive - attacking brand of football - but can i say Holmes with his leg speed and other attributes - is a Melb type player - he would fit in beautifully their

I think Holmes in a couple of years time is going to be a very good player for Geelong

 

[catman2006]

By sounds of it we will need fair few picks for 2022 and may have to use future picks of 2023

 

[Night90Cat]

I think it's really good that Geelong is asking Freo to get creative with it's picks and end of first round is exactly what I'd be asking. I am happy to see the back of J Clark, i don't like his attitude one bit + he's suspect under pressure, however I will definitely want to see a leg speed midfielder proficient kicker type with terrific attitude to take his place and we have the picks to get a few good ones in. Overall I'm not stressed about any of the names leaving, I feel we can get high character guys from multiple avenues but I can't help feeling that if we actually hit on some of our first rounders these past 10 years we'd be in pretty decent shape.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

By sounds of it we will need fair few picks for 2022 and may have to use future picks of 2023

Referencibg jagger mooney??

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Agree but thats why i would like ladhams or lynch as both are very good movers for their size..its essential we trade in a ruck of some sort this year..the darcy type of ruck is also very valuable FWIW.

Is ladhams on the market?? Has he nominated a club etc?

 

[MacStradbroke]

Anyone taking on Coniglio would be looking to pay maybe 60 percent max of his ongoing salary.

With that in mind it might make him more appealing.

No club would take on his entire salary as it stands now.

Even if he is cheap, Coniglio looks a shadow of the player he was. Crueller by injury maybe, but couldn’t see anyone wanting him until he shows a return to form.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The points system clearly undervalues how much more clubs value top 10 picks vs later picks so asides from bid matching i wouldnt use it to value trades.

Thr points system reminds me of a version of the old bigfooty player trade special of our C + C + C grader equals your A grader, or our B + B grader equals your A grader.

It never is reality and is only applicable to benefit a club wanting a top gun kid cheap via draft

 

[MacStradbroke]

I think it's really good that Geelong is asking Freo to get creative with it's picks and end of first round is exactly what I'd be asking. I am happy to see the back of J Clark, i don't like his attitude one bit + he's suspect under pressure, however I will definitely want to see a leg speed midfielder proficient kicker type with terrific attitude to take his place and we have the picks to get a few good ones in. Overall I'm not stressed about any of the names leaving, I feel we can get high character guys from multiple avenues but I can't help feeling that if we actually hit on some of our first rounders these past 10 years we'd be in pretty decent shape.

I’ve read a few comments on here about Clark’s poor attitude, where is it from? Please don’t tell me it’s BF scuttlebutt.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I’ve read a few comments on here about Clark’s poor attitude, where is it from? Please don’t tell me it’s BF scuttlebutt.

As far as I can see that's all it is

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think it's really good that Geelong is asking Freo to get creative with it's picks and end of first round is exactly what I'd be asking. I am happy to see the back of J Clark, i don't like his attitude one bit + he's suspect under pressure, however I will definitely want to see a leg speed midfielder proficient kicker type with terrific attitude to take his place and we have the picks to get a few good ones in. Overall I'm not stressed about any of the names leaving, I feel we can get high character guys from multiple avenues but I can't help feeling that if we actually hit on some of our first rounders these past 10 years we'd be in pretty decent shape.

I really hope they're trying to position themselves to be able to say "we tried but couldn't get a deal done"

 

[MacStradbroke]

Schlenslog sliding down the phantom drafts at million miles an hour after a couple of howlers I’ve read.

 

[gaz love x]

Schlenslog sliding down the phantom drafts at million miles an hour after a couple of howlers I’ve read.

Can't anyone pick him up outside the draft as a DFA anyway?

 

[MacStradbroke]

Can't anyone pick him up outside the draft as a DFA anyway?

Not sure.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Plenty of gushing over Melb, and fair enough after beating up Geelong in a prelim and Dogs in the GF. Also some good discussions in here about our draft and trade targets.

But it is easy to lose perspective on how the Dees got to the point of winning big last night. They were terrible for a sustained period of time and as a result, the handicapper (AFL) gave them multiple goes at the lucky dip of high end picks.

So I’m wondering (if anyone can help out)……

(1) How many first round draft picks (or first round players traded in from other clubs ) did Melb have last night?

(2) How many did Bulldogs have?

(3) Any by comparison - how many do Geelong have on its list?

I suspect the answers might point to our need to bring a few kids in and play them - like we did with Holmes this year.


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[CatRiot]

Food for thought. Demons won last night with 2 fairly average tall forwards. They won with a crop of mids that have been together for a number of years - mainly Petracca, Oliver and Brayshaw. Very similar to our team when Bartel, Ablett, Corey had matured. Our forwards in Mooney, N.Ablett and even Hawkins at that time were hardly the best in the comp.

It’s elite midfields with finals game plans that win premierships.

Spot on. But both Demons and Cats had solid defences.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Plenty of gushing over Melb, and fair enough after beating up Geelong in a prelim and Dogs in the GF. Also some good discussions in here about our draft and trade targets.

But it is easy to lose perspective on how the Dees got to the point of winning big last night. They were terrible for a sustained period of time and as a result, the handicapper (AFL) gave them multiple goes at the lucky dip of high end picks.

So I’m wondering (if anyone can help out)……

(1) How many first round draft picks (or first round players traded in from other clubs ) did Melb have last night?

(2) How many did Bulldogs have?

(3) Any by comparison - how many do Geelong have on its list?

I suspect the answers might point to our need to bring a few kids in and play them - like we did with Holmes this year.


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Your post is about first round picks and then you say we should bring in kids, question is, how are we bringing in those first round kids, without being shit.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I really hope they're trying to position themselves to be able to say "we tried but couldn't get a deal done"

If we insist on a first rounder id say thats the likely outcome as i doubt freo will do it-revisit in 12 months in that case.

 

[strauchnyy]

We are not getting a top 10 pick for clark no matter what we add in. Our only hope would be if freo downgraded 8-e.g. to brisbane for 14 and 18 and then passed us 18. But i doubt freo will agree to dilute 6 or 8 i think they will offer 27 and we will either take it or keep clark.

Yeh and if that’s the option it’s pretty obvious we keep Clark

 

[Jumping Jack]

Your post is about first round picks and then you say we should bring in kids, question is, how are we bringing in those first round kids, without being sh*t.

As a starting point I was interested to know how many first rounders we have on our list.

But my broader point was about the need to integrate youth / leg speed / and staying power to make it through a long season.

Not suggesting they play every game unless they warrant being selected each week (see Bailey Smith at Dogs - has played every game since debuting - see #14 at GFC). We have a great opportunity to integrate youth with the level of experience we have on our list.

My point is that we have an opportunity to do it - don’t wait until it’s too late. 2022 is that opportunity - Holmes / Close should nearly be a lock IMO unless needing a rest. We have blokes like Parfitt Henry Stewart O’Connor who we’ve done that with. If we can find a couple of extras in 2022 and get that balance right, then in addition to existing experience, I still think we’re well placed.

The talk of needing widespread changes is blind ignorance and short sighted stupidity.

Have faith. Bookies wouldn’t have us 4th in next years flag odds if all was lost.


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[Big little cat]

fu** me Stanley 2 years, ******* joke!!!

I understand the rant, to a point, but the 2 year deal is a reasonable strategy. It's unlikely we will be trading for an instant A grade ruck this year. Our other key bigs are still in the development phase and aren't AFL ruck ready at least for entire games. This includes big Sava. So we are a bit wedged on options. Lastly, while he didn’t shoot the lights out, I thought Stanley battled hard during the finals.

 

[fpm84]

Do we expect Neale will be ready for a few senior games in 2022? Keen to get a look at him.

 

[Two Planks]

Could Freo swap 8 and 27 with Brisbane for 14 and 18 and then on trade 18 to Geelong for Clark.

 

[Jezzitizle]

If interstate teams want to throw 4 year deals to lure 22 year old contracted players home then there is very little sympathy.

I’m going to love the narrative over the next 3 weeks that Freo supporters are just helping Clark out and that he he isn’t in the side so he can’t possibly be any good and pick 30 odd is plenty.

The article is pretty much spot on. Somewhere between 18-22 is around the mark which of course pushes back on draft night. If not they can hope he goes back next year like Tim Kelly and we get exactly the same deal.

I think the narrative will be if he can’t even crack a Geelong side crying out for young players coming through, and most Cats fans seem indifferent to him being traded, it’s better to walk away than to split a top 10 pick.

Certainly not helping Clarke out, the club doesn’t rate the wingers currently on the list and they want one that is almost plug and play whilst Fyfe is still around, but who will stick around with the likes of Brayshaw, Darcy Serong etc.

Personally I don’t think a late first/early second is unreasonable, just don’t want to downgrade our picks.

 

[Jumping Jack]

He’s a fwd/ ruck - so he’s behind Esava if Geelong decide to persist with that plan.

There’s a school of thought that Esavas development would be faster if he was thrown into defence. Not sure that will happen unless they think SDK is miles off being ready.

I think Neale if a long way off unless we get smashed with injuries to talls


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