Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Jumping Jack]

Stanley at his best is as good as anyone. His issue is just sustainable performance but for where I feel we are, as a team now, and considering the club has signed him to two years, I would prefer to draft in or trade for almost an unused young players on the verge of playing, guys who can still wait a year or two. If one is not avilable then I think we will add someone thru draft.

I feel Ladhams type would want to be #1, and Im not sure if he is better than Stanley. I believe single role players look at who is in front of them before they move clubs.


On top of that, its seems obvious to me that all our time now must be put towards mids. Our height issues are secondary, we have someone on our list that could be selected to play most roles..all be it still developing. We are boxed in for the next 12 months, at which time I hope we will see a huge turn over.

Agree - in comparison to Gawn (who has had two knee reconstructions), Stanley is not much older (I think Gawn about to turn 30) and unlike Gawn, Stanley has not had 10 years as a bang and crash ruckman so his durability should be ok if he plays another year or two.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

If Fort goes, I think they will add another ruck in some form. Neale, Tsap and SDek are not certainties to be future rucks, or even on Geelongs list. Whether draft or trade, whether a more traditional ruck or one in system, not sure. Stanley for another two does give those players time to show what they have. All players the last two years could feel hard done by trying to show their worth at the lower level.

I’d like to get Ladhams in and he takes Esava a position -play Esava full time ruck four QTRS in the bankers- tell him we want you at the club next 8 years and will invest In you but you have to bang the door down

No VFL has ****ed developing big men imo


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[ButterMill]

His kicking can improve?? Yes??
If thats all that is holding him back... then some one on one coaching can fix. Yes?
Frustrating forwards i can live with.
We have had plenty.
Some have to go back to Tom Hawkins' first 3-4 years. Talk about frustrating and he grew up with a footy in his hands and was a consensus Number 1 pick.

I think Esavas kicking could be debilitating personally. It reminds me of the Smedts ball drop. Just a broken technique.

I'd rather keep him mind you. I'm of the belief our ruck division has cost us flags, contrary to a post I read earlier. I'd be looking to run anyone through until we find our Gawn/Marshall/Grundy/Goldy etc. Someone that can break even on the bounce and take a pressure relieving grab.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Brodie is the one-they are trying to trade him for a nothing pick but thats because he is on 400k and they want to free up a list spot. Most of their fringe players wouldnt interest me.

That wouldn't be a bad option or at least worth a shot, he's a better player than most of our younger midfielders if we can get him for basically nothing would be worth a shot.

 

[Tackle_happy]

My issue with Esava is he can't kick for goal. He's either a long term ruck or a very frustrating forward.

He is an ok kick for goal - we saw once he was not lumbered with Ruck duties that his average in regards to accuracy went up.

Not sure if anyone has ever been a ruckman here ... but both shin guards and constant hits to legs/shins do have a big say on how well you can kick.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I hope we do Pure. He is not a serious option or we would have used him. While I dd not mind the iea of drafting a mature from the state league, the successful example like Pods and Stewart seem to play immediately. We drafted a mid 20's player and then spent 3 years that could have gone into a younger player with more upside.

I dont rate him but mature backup is needed in the ruck when you are a finals team. Stanley will be 31 and isnt exactly durable and blitz will be needed elsewhere..i dont want to be throwing neale to the wolves if we get an injury. So sure move on Fort but we better be bringing in another ready to go ruck if we do that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Only reason I can see for us giving Constable a contract at this point is if we'd rather have him on a one year contract than a late draft pick on a two year contract. Unless he's shown improvement in his running behind closed doors.

Essentially this its more about waiting until a better draft in 12 months to delist him. That said i reckon he will find a home this trade period.

 

[BORIS332]

My issue with Esava is he can't kick for goal. He's either a long term ruck or a very frustrating forward.

This is a myth based on a couple of bad shots. His goal kicking accuracy is above average at 61%

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Wow. Pick 30? For players drafted between picks 25-35 in years 2007-2016 (i.e. players in the system for at least five years), the average games played is just 76. Almost half (46/108) were delisted without reaching 50 games. About one quarter (27/108) played 10 games or less.

Sav is a 23-year old forward/ruck with 55 games under his belt. He's one of the most naturally freakish players on our list, pick 30 is an insult. People need to stop overrating draft picks.

Pick 30 is not an insult given his career output to date thats a bit over the top. On output only its a fair trade. But the issue is because hawkins is 33 and stanley is about to be 31 and our ruck stocks are very thin (i dont rate sav as a ruck but he can at least provide some cover there until the kids are ready) savs worth to us from a list management perspective is more than his actual output hence it would cost a lot more than pick 30 to get him out.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This is a myth based on a couple of bad shots. His goal kicking accuracy is above average at 61%

Thats true but he has a habit of kicking howlers at very bad times and it costs us. If he can fix this he could be a super forward but if he cant its a real problem.

 

[ButterMill]

This is a myth based on a couple of bad shots. His goal kicking accuracy is above average at 61%

Is that right??! I'd love to see from where he's pinging them. That does not match my remembering at all.

More reason to keep him then I guess.

 

[Down at K Park]

This is a myth based on a couple of bad shots. His goal kicking accuracy is above average at 61%

He's gone backwards. Factor in how many he's horribly shanked and put out of bounds of the full, and it doesn't look so great. He's not an above average goal kicker at all.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

On trade radio Adam Cooney

Adam Cooney

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39

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83kg

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Fwd

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21.7

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10.2

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10.2

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6.6

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3.6

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2.6

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2.0

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0.8

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is recommending collingwood trade Jordan de Goey

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Jordan De Goey

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28

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188cm

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93kg

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Mid

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16.7

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10.0

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2.3

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15.8

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9.7

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2.8

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11.6

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this year. Does anybody thibk we could consider that, or far better wait for him to be a free agent next year ( or not even consider him as a Geelong player)

 

[Pure_Ownage]

On trade radio Adam Cooney is recommending collingwood trade Jordan de Goey this year. Does anybody thibk we could consider that, or far better wait for him to be a free agent next year ( or not even consider him as a Geelong player)

They wont trade him bc if they finish bottom 4 next year and he goes FA its a top 5 compo pick they wont get that in a trade this year. And n clubs would trade for him knowing they can get him as FA next year anyway.

 

[Grimoz]

On trade radio Adam Cooney is recommending collingwood trade Jordan de Goey this year. Does anybody thibk we could consider that, or far better wait for him to be a free agent next year ( or not even consider him as a Geelong player)

Wouldn't pass the flog test, hard pass for me!!!

 

[Turbocat]

I’d like to get Ladhams in and he takes Esava a position -play Esava full time ruck four QTRS in the bankers- tell him we want you at the club next 8 years and will invest In you but you have to bang the door down

No VFL has f’ed developing big men imo


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Our development of talls has not been our strength. Esava spring and marking ability seems to get him games. It's not many other have.

What do we think we do if we get Ladhams. He seems to have been played as a forward ruck a lot. Does that fit us? What would our cost be in draft picks? He is contracted I doubt they just flick him and take a pick in the 70's.

My personal hope is we keep our picks unless we trade them into other picks.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

There’s really no point in discussing trading Esava. He’s only recently signed and is a young player. He’s got areas to work on but his kicking has improved. His ball drop and control are much better.
Shows he has put the work in and will keep getting better. I think he’s shown that he’s not a ruck or if he was to be he would need a lot of vfl development to get there.
But he can play forward and relief ruck which actually is one of the hardest spots. We could make a huge list of AFL players who have tried to play that role, it’s have to be one of the most maligned positions as the player is usually not good enough to be the main ruck or the main key forward. But they play an important role in the team.

 

[Turbocat]

I dont rate him but mature backup is needed in the ruck when you are a finals team. Stanley will be 31 and isnt exactly durable and blitz will be needed elsewhere..i dont want to be throwing neale to the wolves if we get an injury. So sure move on Fort but we better be bringing in another ready to go ruck if we do that.

To me players like Fort , are the same discussion we had about JJ. The are hollow men, they look like a backup but not really. If we do not play them thru the year, and then have an injury in finals..would we go to them? If Stanley is unavilable, then we will play Sav or Blitz in the role, maybe even Henry before Fort. If we are to bring in a mature, id prefer to recruit a player who will be selected for a certain number of games thru the year without any stress. Will that type come with Stanley having signed a two year deal? Maybe if we told him he would get preferential selection. If it was trade Close and a R2 pick for Ladhams.. I guess we do the deal. If I was Ladhams, I'd consider several clubs as attractive as us.

I guess we see how it pans out.

 

[Turbocat]

They wont trade him bc if they finish bottom 4 next year and he goes FA its a top 5 compo pick they wont get that in a trade this year. And n clubs would trade for him knowing they can get him as FA next year anyway.

I think others will look at him next year but in general, I hope we show interest in free...free agents from here on. Hockings attitude to trading for players will be illuminating for where he thinks we are.

Collingwood will probably hope someone comes for him. It seems one of the few ways that you can double up on early picks now.

 

[goyoucatters]

To me players like Fort , are the same discussion we had about JJ. The are hollow men, they look like a backup but not really. If we do not play them thru the year, and then have an injury in finals..would we go to them?

Totally agree with this. While perhaps the Fort situation wasn't completely foreseeable (and they did give him a few games to assess his credentials), the JJ decision was a debacle from the start. This is list-clogging at its finest, bringing in players who'd you only play in wild desperation and still not at the expense of seasoned senior players who can often be shifted around to achieve a balance of sorts.

As you say, they're realistically not playing Fort in the ones next year, even if Stanley and Esava go down (and the kids are not deemed ready). So better to move on from him now and open up another list spot. Time to shelve any policy of bringing in mature-agers who are not really likely to seriously challenge for senior games. It's just another development opportunity lost and we simply can't afford that with the skewed age profile of our list at the moment.

 

[jnrburger]

Totally agree with this. While perhaps the Fort situation wasn't completely foreseeable (and they did give him a few games to assess his credentials), the JJ decision was a debacle from the start. This is list-clogging at its finest, bringing in players who'd you only play in wild desperation and still not at the expense of seasoned senior players who can often be shifted around to achieve a balance of sorts.

As you say, they're realistically not playing Fort in the ones next year, even if Stanley and Esava go down (and the kids are not deemed ready). So better to move on from him now and open up another list spot. Time to shelve any policy of bringing in mature-agers who are not really likely to seriously challenge for senior games. It's just another development opportunity lost and we just can't afford that with the skewed age profile of our list at the moment.

If we got Ladhams, it would mean Blicavs stays permanent FB for rest of his career, and DEK play at CHB (after he’s eaten a few more steaks / play him on the lanky King types to start)

If no Ladhams or similar, then Blicavs can go back to being supporting ruck / sweeping winger, but given DEK not big enough to deal with the monsters yet - means either Henderson has to stay, we need to look at Talia for a couple of years as a stop gap, or we risk Kolo as a key defender which is ok against Darling types, not so great on bigger key forwards

Either way, Sav then needs to be slotted back into FF in the VFL to see if he really can step into Hawkins’ shoes in a year or two, and rotate into the seniors to cover injuries or if his form actually warrants selection ahead of others

Having two solid rucks that can play around the ground as well as rotating forward to stretch a defence would be nice - we used to do it in our heyday, as did Brisbane before us, Hawthorn after us, and now Melbourne too

With Ladhams, we could trade Fort out and let Neale develop in the VFL as main ruck (Sav and Tsap can support there) and transition in as Stanley moves out over the next 2 years - it would be a neat solution - on the proviso Ladhams is actually any good, and we’re prepared to have Blicavs at FB

If we also think that we need that bigger defensive winger role that Blicavs has previously played, Brander is probably the candidate for that - tall but not heavy and has some running power - probably the only role which would actually be a natural fit for him as it doesn’t look like he’s a key position anything - assume we could get him with whatever pick we get for either Fort or Kreuger

All remaining draft picks should then be spent on quality young mids - an inside animal with a bit of pace would be helpful - will still be missing another genuine quality mid in the seniors as Selwood has to move out of starting midfield / rotate off HF for his last year and send Dahl back to the VFL in the process


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[Pure_Ownage]

Totally agree with this. While perhaps the Fort situation wasn't completely foreseeable (and they did give him a few games to assess his credentials), the JJ decision was a debacle from the start. This is list-clogging at its finest, bringing in players who'd you only play in wild desperation and still not at the expense of seasoned senior players who can often be shifted around to achieve a balance of sorts.

As you say, they're realistically not playing Fort in the ones next year, even if Stanley and Esava go down (and the kids are not deemed ready). So better to move on from him now and open up another list spot. Time to shelve any policy of bringing in mature-agers who are not really likely to seriously challenge for senior games. It's just another development opportunity lost and we just can't afford that with the skewed age profile of our list at the moment.

We also cant afford to destroy young rucks by playing them before they are ready so there is a middle ground and im sure we will find it with the ruck wr trade in this year.

 

[Tristan34]

I see Esava as predominantly a tall forward able to ruck rather than the other way round. I see Neale in a similar vein. I think the Esava is probably expendable IF we hold onto Fort. I'm not sure we can lose both - it would leave us very thin for rucks of any description.

As for pick 30 - seems about right. A future 2nd pick probably more useful to us with so many retirements likely next year.

Thats why i am thinking we will try and trade into next years draft and go after the saints 2022 r1 pick...

 

[Live in hope]

IMO - Fort is a little underrated. After an injury earlier in season showed pretty good form in VFL and generally has competed well over the years in the AFL games when called up, including against some of the A Graders. His second efforts/clearance work was actually pretty good for a gangly type. Sure, will only be recruited as a back up ruck but I think will do well if gets a sustained run of games. Good luck to him.

 

[Stab Pass]

My issue with Esava is he can't kick for goal. He's either a long term ruck or a very frustrating forward.

Go back and watch the 2011GF and have a look at Hawk's kicking then. Kicking can be fixed, you can teach routine and a better ball drop. You can't teach people to take pack marks.