Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Turbocat]

server "crack the sads" again .... frustration to the max

 

[Turbocat]

Kersten was pure lead and mark, straight line. Had no leap or agility. Could look good if delivery was good.

Henry has already shown more tricks in two years. Poor example.

He was a menegola like kick ...more like a shortish KPF . So far id not say Herny has shown signs of being a KPP

 

[year of the cat]

Kicking is a problem for sure. Is it a case of what he does poorly excluding im.. or what he does well elevating him. Id take him and try to work on the kicking as something you can improve, im not sure you can add the other suff to some players .... but I have a feeling we will not have to worry. Clark is the one we want

I have not sudied Phillopou closly but on one view his kick did not impress either. MY concern on non vic kids would probably seem me not take him. MacKenzie is not going before 7 ..and if Clark is gone... it means someone earlier is there ..and if not MacKenzie would fit well.

So whats a reasonable group of names... AShcroft, Wardlaw , Tsatis , Sheezel , Cadman , Humpfrey , Clark , Mackenzie ... one of these would be there at 7

Probably comes down to Clark or McKenzie. I’d say that Hawthorn will be unlikely to take Clark as they have similar types already and would be concerned with Clark wanting to “go home”. Think we get our man.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I'm Henry first then Bruhn.

If we are focused on Clark in draft..we are really cramming our midfild. I think we probably do not need Bruhn and Clark. The idea of CLark was a pipe dream for most of the year. ...but we are committed to him ...so we will not drop away

If we need to offer up our F1 for Bruhn, I prefer to keep that pick and use it on the best available KPP.

I'd say we will end up getting all of our targets... Hopefully Bruhn can become a very good player for us, because it's highly likely we will land him.

 

[Turbocat]

If we need to offer up our F1 for Bruhn, I prefer to keep that pick and use it on the best available KPP.

I'd say we will end up getting all of our targets... Hopefully Bruhn can become a very good player for us, because it's highly likely we will land him.

Undr current rules ..if we trade our Fr2 to get Bowes and P7 ... we can not trade our Fr1. So if we did the deal...its bit like what Brisbane have done. Does it mean we miss on him. Maybe . Someone else may chime in ..but I think we get it done some other way. Out of the three deals ..id have this as the last in importance if we are getting CLark

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Probably comes down to Clark or McKenzie. I’d say that Hawthorn will be unlikely to take Clark as they have similar types already and would be concerned with Clark wanting to “go home”. Think we get our man.

There may actually be a chance this scared clubs off Clark.

What a beautifully engineered outcome of correct. Andrew Mackie you star

 

[D BRIDGE]

Undr current rules ..if we trade our Fr2 to get Bowes and P7 ... we can not trade our Fr1. So if we did the deal...its bit like what Brisbane have done. Does it mean we miss on him. Maybe . Someone else may chime in ..but I think we get it done some other way. Out of the three deals ..id have this as the last in importance if we are getting CLark

As I mentioned a few pages back, I'm not stressed about the needing an F2 thing... We will get one if we need one.
My issue is the worth of Bruhn not being our F1 (unless something decent comes back)... Time will tell with all that.

Anyway... I think we still have work to do to get Clark (if we are truly going hard to get him).
Probably will need that #5 from GC instead of #7... I won't be shocked if we are trying to make that happen in some way, or even have a deal ready to go on draft night if Clark is still on the board come that selection (which will be #6 on the night).
But yes... If we actually do end up getting Clark, I think it would be better to get a bigger more dynamic mid instead of Bruhn (who is like a Clark lite for mine).

 

[Yort15]

I hate to say it... but maybe Essendon is the answer to our problems?

They will most likely be trying to move pick 22 to match the bid on the Davey twins.

Dodo will want a premium, however given our stack of later picks we can give in.

18 + 55 to pies for Ollie + 41 (puts ollie at pick 25 equiv)

38 + 41 + 48 to Essendon for 22 (Nets them 334 points equiv 46)

22 to Gws for bruhn and a future 3rd swap

Future 2nd to GC for Bowes + 7

Sav to Port for a future 3rd.

Take 7 (clark) +58 which will come in after bids (Best available Key position player) to the draft. Keep our future 1st and get a pick upgrade for our future 3rd and ports 3rd.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

As much as there are still question marks over his ability to be a good afl player I’d be disappointed to lose Cooper Stephens.
Bowes and Bruhn will make competition for spots for him but he should still get games if he works hard enough and stays injury free.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I hate to say it... but maybe Essendon is the answer to our problems?

They will most likely be trying to move pick 22 to match the bid on the Davey twins.

There's a chance that the first bid comes after 22... So they may not need to trade it.

They can have deals lined up on draft night if a bid comes earlier and make a live trade.

That wont help us this week though.

 

[Hinkley29]

what are the chances of him lasting till 18? (without being investigated for draft-tampering)

In the national draft (ie. NOT the psd) he will likely get through to 18.

The question is, does Collingwood want to test this? There is literally no upside to Collingwood in sending him to the draft.

 

[tenderwarrior]

We can only trade fr1 and 2 if we bring in another future 2nd.

I know of the 2 in 4 rule for 1st round picks.. but rules around 2nd round picks? Since when has this been a thing?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I know of the 2 in 4 rule for 1st round picks.. but rules around 2nd round picks? Since when has this been a thing?

Since they brought in future pick trading. Happened to hawks with omeara (traded fr1 and 2 had to bring another fr2 in)

 

[D BRIDGE]

As much as there are still question marks over his ability to be a good afl player I’d be disappointed to lose Cooper Stephens.
Bowes and Bruhn will make competition for spots for him but he should still get games if he works hard enough and stays injury free.

Stephens really could fall way back next year (already is a way back atm & could fall further), I don't love him as a future prospect.

I think Willis will go past him and even Knevitt could... + we may work a way to get hold of Jhye Clark.

Personally, I'd be concerned if I was Stephens.

My gut tells me it wouldn’t come back to bite us moving him on... If we are offered something 2nd roundish.

 

[standupand]

Undr current rules ..if we trade our Fr2 to get Bowes and P7 ... we can not trade our Fr1. So if we did the deal...its bit like what Brisbane have done. Does it mean we miss on him. Maybe . Someone else may chime in ..but I think we get it done some other way. Out of the three deals ..id have this as the last in importance if we are getting CLark

Do you think there's a chance we try to turn the pick 7 into their pick 3 somehow as part of this deal, in order to secure Clark?
If we make it semi-attractive to them perhaps involving 18 (3 and Bruhn for 7 and 18?), it could be win-win given they'll be assuming Bruhn is out the door anyway, and the top 7 draft prospects are pretty even? We get our 2 men and leave them with a handsome 5 picks in the top 20.
18 may be needed for Henry though I guess?

 

[thejester]

Kersten was pure lead and mark, straight line. Had no leap or agility. Could look good if delivery was good.

Henry has already shown more tricks in two years. Poor example.

Think some of Kersten’s problems might have been between the ears, too.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I hate to say it... but maybe Essendon is the answer to our problems?

They will most likely be trying to move pick 22 to match the bid on the Davey twins.

Dodo will want a premium, however given our stack of later picks we can give in.

18 + 55 to pies for Ollie + 41 (puts ollie at pick 25 equiv)

38 + 41 + 48 to Essendon for 22 (Nets them 334 points equiv 46)

22 to Gws for bruhn and a future 3rd swap

Future 2nd to GC for Bowes + 7

Sav to Port for a future 3rd.

Take 7 (clark) +58 which will come in after bids (Best available Key position player) to the draft. Keep our future 1st and get a pick upgrade for our future 3rd and ports 3rd.

Its the right idea but i dont think ess trade til draft night itself. Our best chance of doing that trade is bris at 25 probably.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Do you think there's a chance we try to turn the pick 7 into their pick 3 somehow as part of this deal, in order to secure Clark?
If we make it semi-attractive to them perhaps involving 18 (3 and Bruhn for 7 and 18?), it could be win-win given they'll be assuming Bruhn is out the door anyway, and the top 7 draft prospects are pretty even? We get our 2 men and leave them with a handsome 5 picks in the top 20.
18 may be needed for Henry though I guess?

I think gws will trade up to 1 or 2 not out to 7.
Also yeah we couldnt do that trade unless we brought in an early 20s pick somewhere else to do henry

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Is it me or are we giving up Esava 38,48 & 55 in that trade to get an extra second for Bowes. I know we don't need those picks but I would try and get another pick or two in futures for all that even if 3rd round.

Yes we are but its losing the battle to win the war (for want of a better analogy) and we dint have the list spots to use 48 and 55 anyway so id be fine with it.
But yes if we could get another future 3rd or two all the better.

 

[tenderwarrior]

Since they brought in future pick trading. Happened to hawks with omeara (traded fr1 and 2 had to bring another fr2 in)

Do you know where this is stated?

 

[Pivo]

West coast will be bottom 6 next year though so that future 2nd is early 20s. So they wont do that deal without more added in to appease them (say a current or future 3rd etc). I like the concept though.

Fair call but the concern I have is every club knows why we're hunting a Future 2nd Rounder so, you'd think, there may be some element of self interest for the other clubs in (possibly) not helping the current Premier gain more advantages.

I wonder if Ratugolea would also consider, say, St. Kilda (who seem to have some interest) as an option. Adding some mayo onto any Ratugolea trade is fine in this instance since the return (the FR2) is being moved on.

I think our Future 1st has more value than our current 1st (18) simply because some clubs would bet on the FR1 being better than 18 due to us (maybe) slipping a bit next year. There may be a little more perceived value in the FR1.

The Future 1st + 38 + 48/55 to either GWS or Collingwood in exchange for Bruhn or Henry + a FR2. Do either GWS or Collingwood need those additional picks, no idea but right now that's all I'm aware we have unless there is something else going on that isn't known about (which is possible).

There also needs to be an understanding if, when it comes to using pick 18 in the other trade, will that be enough to get the other deal done. I might think 18 in a straight swap for, say, Henry is fair but I'm going to assume Collingwood don't think that.

Is adding multiple picks in any deal using Geelong's Future 1st an overpay? Probably but we might have to pay overs to get a FR2 back to secure Bowes + 7.

Maybe we don't use the future round 1 and walk away from one of the trades...

Fun thought exercise (if you are into this kind of thing ), genuinely interested to see how it all plays out.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Maybe we don't use the future round 1 and walk away from one of the trades...

Fun thought exercise (if you are into this kind of thing ), genuinely interested to see how it all plays out.

That's the one thing we can't do if we are to have any credibility in the future when trying to attract players

 

[year of the cat]

That's the one thing we can't do if we are to have any credibility in the future when trying to attract players

Yes. Presumably we’ve given a commitment to these 2 if they’ve named us as their preferred destination. Unless either Coll or GWS are unreasonable we are bound now to complete the deals.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm Henry first then Bruhn.

If we are focused on Clark in draft..we are really cramming our midfild. I think we probably do not need Bruhn and Clark. The idea of CLark was a pipe dream for most of the year. ...but we are committed to him ...so we will not drop away

Get Bowes done, get Henry done 18 and something back. look at other trades...Maybe Sav is a 3 way.

Another factor about Bruhn is midfild players we have ...see chances slipping. Already we can see what its done with Stephens being mentioned..but if I was Ess ..with Cap space and and need id be going hard at a couple on our list to shake someone loose.That place looks a rabble but Brad Scott will present well.


What happens sometimes is when players are named it starts them thinking. Maybe that works with Pear as well.

Maybe a couple of players at Port look at there options and they gain a Fr2 but its going to take time. Lock in the trades we can do ..put those in the pocket. both represent value .

My guess when it comes down to it, GWS move on what they will take... they have that many picks coming in ..Bruhn is almost an after thought. They might not like it , maybe we say its a little bitt... remember when you matched a FA? Maybe we tell them we catch them next time... Thats if a player ever wanst to move to them.

Bruhn is the priority for me over henry mids more of a need. But all will get done imo. I dont think clark gets to p7.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yes. Presumably we’ve given a commitment to these 2 if they’ve named us as their preferred destination. Unless either Coll or GWS are unreasonable we are bound now to complete the deals.

Agree and we will imo.