Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[cats_09]

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Though we don’t rate him.
I think you could get a 2nd for Sav

If Petty wins a 2nd flag, a nice contract will get him I think.
Give him a 5 year deal on good cash and he’s anyones

Id bite a clubs hand off for a R2 for sav. We would be lucky to get a R4.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'd be taking the best mid available, hopefully there's someone out there that's as useful as Newcombe at the Hawks.

We need a ruck and a key defender more than we need a midfielder.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So if you had to choose 1 player in the MSD. Will it be a ruck or a KDF

Honestly id put simpson on the inactive list and take both a mature ruck and a mature kpd.
If we only had one pick id probably take the kpd because i think in the ruck we have options they are just injured (ie its possible ceglar conway and sav might all be fit closer to finals) wheread key defenders we will literally have nothing in the vfl all year so when we play blitz upfield we need another one desperately.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We need a ruck and a key defender more than we need a midfielder.

We have a ruck. Conway.
Who gives a **** who rucks for us this year and next? We aren't winning the flag.

We don't seem to need a KPD bad enough to play Blicavs there.
What we are doing is still relying on 34yo Selwood and not getting anywhere near enough from the rest. Which includes Guthrie, Danger, Duncan and Menegola all 30+ now or by season's end.

If we slide like yotc thinks we might then use our top 10 pick in the draft on the best KPD available if need be.

 

[catempire]

Mid season draft is for a player who you’d play immediately. There’s no one in the pool I’m aware of that would push out Stanley or Kolo.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We have a ruck. Conway.
Who gives a fu** who rucks for us this year and next? We aren't winning the flag.

We don't seem to need a KPD bad enough to play Blicavs there.
What we are doing is still relying on 34yo Selwood and not getting anywhere near enough from the rest. Which includes Guthrie, Danger, Duncan and Menegola all 30+ now or by season's end.

If we slide like yotc thinks we might then use our top 10 pick in the draft on the best KPD available if need be.

Because we dont walk up to games and concede the result..we address our weaknesses (or should).
Besides think of the negative impact on the development of other players who are not getting the support around them they need.
For eg sdk is fantastic but he would be so much better off having an experienced kpd to support him which is what the msd can do.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Mid season draft is for a player who you’d play immediately. There’s no one in the pool I’m aware of that would push out Stanley or Kolo.

There are imo. Whether those players are going to nominate though i dont know as i havent seen the nominations list.

Besides of which we dont need to 'push out' stanley we need a readymade ruck to fill in when hes injured like he clearly was last night.
Ditto kolo we actually need him and another key defender with henry out not either/or.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Because we dont walk up to games and concede the result..we address our weaknesses (or should).

Hence. Midfielder.
Clearly a weakness.

Ruck weakness was addressed at the draft and trade table last off season.

Again, defence can't be too urgent given they're happy to let Blicavs thrive as a utility.

Besides think of the negative impact on the development of other players who are not getting the support around them they need.
For eg sdk is fantastic but he would be so much better off having an experienced kpd to support him which is what the msd can do.

No ruck or KPD we will find will turf someone out of the team. A mid can take Narkle's place. Can allow Knevitt to develop more in the VFL. Can allow Smith, Menegola and Duncan to play wing roles. Close and Stengle closer to goal and Miers get form in the VFL.

 

[Phipppppa]

One half decent ****ing ruckman.

Is it too much to ask for?

 

[catempire]

There are imo. Whether those players are going to nominate though i dont know as i havent seen the nominations list.

Excuse me for finding that fanciful.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hence. Midfielder.
Clearly a weakness.

Ruck weakness was addressed at the draft and trade table last off season.

Again, defence can't be too urgent given they're happy to let Blicavs thrive as a utility.

No ruck or KPD we will find will turf someone out of the team. A mid can take Narkle's place. Can allow Knevitt to develop more in the VFL. Can allow Smith, Menegola and Duncan to play wing roles. Close and Stengle closer to goal and Miers get form in the VFL.

We have plenty of mids to take narkles place (what we do at selection is another matter and i dont agree with our selections) we can drop him without drafting anyone.

We have literally no rucks to take stanleys place. Ceglar is injured as is sav and conway also is and wouldnt be playing afl in his first year anyway. We also have no key defenders in the 2s which is why zac bloody guthrie plays fullback there and why we essentially played with one kpd last night as scott himself admitted (because we had to ruck blitz as stanley was on one leg). In the short term we need a ruck and a key defender far far far more than we need another mid and short term is what the msd is for (long term is a different issue as all our key mids are mostly 30 or over but i am talking in a short term context).

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We have a ruck. Conway.
Who gives a fu** who rucks for us this year and next? We aren't winning the flag.

We don't seem to need a KPD bad enough to play Blicavs there.
What we are doing is still relying on 34yo Selwood and not getting anywhere near enough from the rest. Which includes Guthrie, Danger, Duncan and Menegola all 30+ now or by season's end.

If we slide like yotc thinks we might then use our top 10 pick in the draft on the best KPD available if need be.

I think you definitely need to be playing the odds with the mid-season draft. Odds I would give of finding a player by type:

Mitch O'Neil type mid: $2.00
Schlensog type KPD: $2.50
Ruck better than Blitz: $10

If a punter wants to gamble on us finding a useful ruck in the msd I'd consider that free money.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Absolutely I would, for mine he might explode.
But unless he learns how to use his frame and read the flight of the ball he’s always going to be what could’ve been

I just don't see it and believe me I've tried to be a fan. There's so much he would need to do to be a player worthy of playing each week in a contending side.

Learn how to mark the ball, not every 5th attempt at mark.

Learn how to kick straight

Learn forward leading patterns. We're essentially teaching him how to play the game. Right now he crashes packs (occasionally) and that's it.

He's had one game in his career where he's looked to have star potential, and that's on a bloke who's now not on an AFL list in Ryan Garthwaite.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I think you definitely need to be playing the odds with the mid-season draft. Odds I would give of finding a player by type:

Mitch O'Neil type mid: $2.00
Schlensog type KPD: $2.50
Ruck better than Blitz: $10

If a punter wants to gamble on us finding a useful ruck in the msd I'd consider that free money.

Any Jai Newcombe's lying around?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Any Jai Newcombe's lying around?

O'Neil dropped from West Coast is now regularly getting best ons in the sanfl, hence why I name dropped him at $2 odds because he may literally be available.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

We have a ruck. Conway.
Who gives a fu** who rucks for us this year and next? We aren't winning the flag.

We don't seem to need a KPD bad enough to play Blicavs there.
What we are doing is still relying on 34yo Selwood and not getting anywhere near enough from the rest. Which includes Guthrie, Danger, Duncan and Menegola all 30+ now or by season's end.

If we slide like yotc thinks we might then use our top 10 pick in the draft on the best KPD available if need be.

True. We should use the MSD to find another Newcombe, Close or if we're unbelievably lucky a Tim Kelly or Tom Stewart.

As you say, It's pointless picking up a mediocre at best ruckman when we're not winning a premiership in the next 3 years. Conway will be ready by then and going by Scott's comments he would've played already had it not been for injury. He's hopefully a very good to elite ruck in waiting, just have to give him games.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

O'Neil dropped from West Coast is now regularly getting best ons in the sanfl, hence why I name dropped him at $2 odds because he may literally be available.

Yep, he'll do.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I would be surprised if any player in the MSD will fix any of our issues this year. Most likely they will not even get into our best 22.

Wouldn't be so sure. This is not the Geelong juggernaut of years gone by, there's blokes in our best 22 right now who simply aren't AFL standard (Or at least aren't performing to AFL standard atm). There's a solid chance whoever we pick up is in our best 22, whether the MC actually pick them is another story.

 

[briztoon]

Excuse the intrusion, I’m wondering how Shannon Neale is developing in your reserves. Is playing primarily ruck, or is he spending time up forward as well?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Excuse the intrusion, I’m wondering how Shannon Neale is developing in your reserves. Is playing primarily ruck, or is he spending time up forward as well?

I've really liked him. He's forward first with ruck work the distant second. Probably needs another year or two in the 2s which times well with our forward line turnover. Mobile, good kick, 204cm are not common combinations so I'm excited.

 

[Heckler]

There is lots of discussion in the Saints Loss Review regarding the current lack of depth and promising youth.
Main complaint is lack of specific needs depth... ie KP players. Rucks, Defenders, Pack marking forwards etc.
That is a consequence of the Best Available drafting policy over drafting on specific needs basis.
This policy has at times overlooked potential good ruck and KP players for better mid-fielders. (m/f)
Steve Wells has favoured drafting m/f as an average m/f will likely become a reasonable half-back etc.
Wells also takes high risk / high reward picks outside the standard Aussie Rules background ie: Blitz Holmes Dempsey
Searching for X-factor players has resulted in players with a single string to their bow but are poor marks or kicks.
This drafting policy has served GFC well in the past but has also delivered the current crop of average at best battlers.

A better balanced drafting strategy is required.
Drafting a few low risk / low reward solid Aussie Rules background, good height, good speed, good mark, good kicks players etc.
Players that have good physical fundamentals and skills to work with can be quickly developed into solid reliable B-graders
The goal is to have broad depth of solid VFL players, with strong competition for a spot in the AFL team and no battlers or spuds.

My thoughts of our current crop:-
SDK, Holmes, Stengle, Dempsey will become A-grade
Close, Narkle, Zuthrie, Stephens will become B-grade
Parfitt, Esava, Evans, Knevitt will be C-grade

Note: Ratings will change as they get more games to judge them by.

Looking forward to see more debutantes this year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

True. We should use the MSD to find another Newcombe, Close or if we're unbelievably lucky a Tim Kelly or Tom Stewart.

As you say, It's pointless picking up a mediocre at best ruckman when we're not winning a premiership in the next 3 years. Conway will be ready by then and going by Scott's comments he would've played already had it not been for injury. He's hopefully a very good to elite ruck in waiting, just have to give him games.

Conway would have played before round 10 as an 18yo old ruck? Im a conway fan but thats optimistic beyond belief...scott is drinking weird kool aid on that one.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Conway would have played before round 10 as an 18yo old ruck? Im a conway fan but thats optimistic beyond belief...scott is drinking weird kool aid on that one.

Can't remember exactly when it was but he mentioned he'd had a spectacular pre-season and was tracking for an early debut prior to injury.

It's not out of the question. He's a huge man not just for an 18 year old but in general, and we've played Dempsey and Knevitt so far who aren't exactly physically ready themselves.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

There is lots of discussion in the Saints Loss Review regarding the current lack of depth and promising youth.
Main complaint is lack of specific needs depth... ie KP players. Rucks, Defenders, Pack marking forwards etc.
That is a consequence of the Best Available drafting policy over drafting on specific needs basis.
This policy has at times overlooked potential good ruck and KP players for better mid-fielders. (m/f)
Steve Wells has favoured drafting m/f as an average m/f will likely become a reasonable half-back etc.
Wells also takes high risk / high reward picks outside the standard Aussie Rules background ie: Blitz Holmes Dempsey
Searching for X-factor players has resulted in players with a single string to their bow but are poor marks or kicks.
This drafting policy has served GFC well in the past but has also delivered the current crop of average at best battlers.

A better balanced drafting strategy is required.
Drafting a few low risk / low reward solid Aussie Rules background, good height, good speed, good mark, good kicks players etc.
Players that have good physical fundamentals and skills to work with can be quickly developed into solid reliable B-graders
The goal is to have broad depth of solid VFL players, with strong competition for a spot in the AFL team and no battlers or spuds.

My thoughts of our current crop:-
SDK, Holmes, Stengle, Dempsey will become A-grade
Close, Narkle, Zuthrie, Stephens will become B-grade
Parfitt, Esava, Evans, Knevitt will be C-grade

Note: Ratings will change as they get more games to judge them by.

Looking forward to see more debutantes this year.

I think you're spot on. We do have some really solid youth, but they're not the prime movers of a premiership push. We've got the 5-15 players covered for the future, but we don't have the top 5 yet imo (Minus SDK, he'll be a superstar)

Conway, Stephens, Holmes, Knevitt, Parfitt and Willis/Stevens/Kroeger/Whyte is a really solid depth of a midfield, but we're missing the two A-grade bulls that you need to win a premiership. As we've mentioned often in here, Tanner Bruhn and Jhye Clark would go a long way in fixing that.

Down back SDK and Henry is a great pairing for the future, but we still need that true lockdown fullback to free up the aforementioned two with their offensive intercepting and drive.

Up forward, Stengle and Close have got the pockets and flanks for the next decade, we're pretty set there. All depends on if Neale comes on like we hope, otherwise we'll definitely need to invest in a key forward over the next couple years (Might have to regardless of what happens with Neale). Would love an Ollie Henry type as well, would compliment us nicely and I reckon he'd thrive alongside Dempsey. Would be a great pairing as both have some pretty freakish talent particularly with their marking.

MOC, Miers, Narkle, Evans, Zuthrie and Esava are all a bit 'meh' to me. They've all got talent but to me it feels like we know what they are, and we're only ever going to see a slightly better version of it at best. Bottom 6 players in a good side IMO. Some would argue the same for Parfitt and I'd partly agree, but you can only carry so many of those types and he's the best of them.

 

[CoreyJoel]

I've really liked him. He's forward first with ruck work the distant second. Probably needs another year or two in the 2s which times well with our forward line turnover. Mobile, good kick, 204cm are not common combinations so I'm excited.

I’m keen for us to sign this bloke up.
Not many guys around 2 metres who can move like he does so I hope we have an offer on the table and he signs it soon.
It’s always a concern when an interstate player hasn’t signed on as I’m sure an offer has been put on the table..