Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[Vdubs]

I agree it’s a bonus and you prefer it, but it’s not going to be the reason an A grader gets knocked back from your club.

With the way footy is played these days I can easily see parish playing on paper as HF and then rolling up around the contest as an extra midfielder even.

Oddly the role of a HF/FP these days is 70% midfield spread and defensive work around the ball, and 30% forward craft working back into space towards goal.

The games direction is almost preferring midfield forward hybrids than traditional small and medium forwards these days.

Players like O Henry are the ones who are at risk of extinction and being out of favor the way the game is heading

No way Jose.
Ollie is great at hf, but can also be used elsewhere; with the retirement of Smith, doors will open, and Holmes and OH etc could rotate around.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No way Jose.
Ollie is great at hf, but can also be used elsewhere; with the retirement of Smith, doors will open, and Holmes and OH etc could rotate around.

His a great talent, I don’t think it’s any coincidence his best quarter of footy came as the main key target with Hawkins out.

He still needs to add defensive pressure and involvement around general play for mine to take his game to the next level.

 

[Vdubs]

Theres plenty of mids currently going around who are "just mids" and don't do much else.
Clayton Oliver/Bontempelli/Liberatore/Merrett/LDU/Serong/Neale/Cerra/Brayshaw/Miller the list goes on and on. They are all "just mids". None are like Petracca who can go forward and kick 4, or like Blicavs who can play everywhere, or Daicos who can play midfield or HBF.

The Bont is known to kick goals, and talk of him going forward more.
I don't think it's fair to lump them as pure mids as they play all over the ground- they are in fact on-ballers.
Enright started as a mid, as did Hodge, and we saw where they ended up.

 

[And_ROOS]

The Bont is known to kick goals, and talk of him going forward more.
I don't think it's fair to lump them as pure mids as they play all over the ground- they are in fact on-ballers.
Enright started as a mid, as did Hodge, and we saw where they ended up.

Bont kicks goals, but they don't play him as an out and out forward like Melbourne do with Petracca.

Enright, once he was a HBF, was no longer in the midfield. Ditto Hodge.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

His a great talent, I don’t think it’s any coincidence his best quarter of footy came as the main key target with Hawkins out.

He still needs to add defensive pressure and involvement around general play for mine to take his game to the next level.

His defensive work was substantially better last week

 

[Turbocat]

This is the SA kid id like to add if he is there late.. sounds like he is moving up the board.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/draft-intel-all-the-latest-afl-draft-news-from-around-australia/news-story/9c8762d2f83488daa8c0382cda57d26c

Taylor Goad is attracting plenty of AFL attention as a 203cm ruckman from South Adelaide. Picture: Dean Martin
TOWERING SA TALL JUMPING UP

A “raw” young ruckman from South Australia is attracting plenty of attention from AFL clubs as he quickly emerges as one of the state’s top draft prospects this year.

Taylor Goad measures 207cm but is also nimble on his feet and lightning quick.

The 18-year-old only joined the talent pathways late last year, accepting an invitation to head down to South Adelaide’s under-18s.

He went on to feature in all four matches for South Australia at the under-18 national championships and performed well against some of the best young rucks in the country.

“I learnt so much during the carnival and by the end of it felt that my game had come a long way,” Goad told The Advertiser.

Goad, who looks up to Melbourne captain Max Gawn

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Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

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K

3.6

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4.8

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CL

1.0

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15.6

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, has since spoken to more than half of the 18 AFL clubs.

South Australian under-18s coach Tony Bamford said Goad was a player with plenty of upside.

“He’s one that will get drafted because of the potential he possesses,” Bamford said.

“He’s a big ruckman.”

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This is the SA kid id like to add if he is there late.. sounds like he is moving up the board.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/draft-intel-all-the-latest-afl-draft-news-from-around-australia/news-story/9c8762d2f83488daa8c0382cda57d26c

Taylor Goad is attracting plenty of AFL attention as a 203cm ruckman from South Adelaide. Picture: Dean Martin
TOWERING SA TALL JUMPING UP

A “raw” young ruckman from South Australia is attracting plenty of attention from AFL clubs as he quickly emerges as one of the state’s top draft prospects this year.

Taylor Goad measures 207cm but is also nimble on his feet and lightning quick.

The 18-year-old only joined the talent pathways late last year, accepting an invitation to head down to South Adelaide’s under-18s.

He went on to feature in all four matches for South Australia at the under-18 national championships and performed well against some of the best young rucks in the country.

“I learnt so much during the carnival and by the end of it felt that my game had come a long way,” Goad told The Advertiser.

Goad, who looks up to Melbourne captain Max Gawn, has since spoken to more than half of the 18 AFL clubs.

South Australian under-18s coach Tony Bamford said Goad was a player with plenty of upside.

“He’s one that will get drafted because of the potential he possesses,” Bamford said.

“He’s a big ruckman.”

I hope not too high because we'd be silly to invest a decent pick into a teenage ruckman. If he's not available with a pick we have 3rd round or later I'm not interested

 

[iameviljez]

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I know it's not the be all and end all, but we haven't had anyone get 30 touches in most games this year, let alone average that.

 

[iameviljez]

The games direction is almost preferring midfield forward hybrids than traditional small and medium forwards these days.

Players like O Henry are the ones who are at risk of extinction and being out of favor the way the game is heading

Hard disagree. Players who can kick goals are still the rarest and most sought-after commodity in the game. Guys like Papley, Kyle Langford, Toby Greene, Willie Rioli, Charlie Cameron, they are all hugely valuable in the modern game. It's why Izak Rankine moved for pick 5... and was worth it.

If anything, they're more valuable than they've ever been, because sides tend to like to be more mobile up forward to lock the ball in. The days of everyone lining up with a tall bastard at CHF, a big bastard at FF and a bigger bastard as the resting ruckman in the pocket are over.

 

[supahoops]

Sav is quite polarising here. My 2c fwiw having watched Tom Lonergan

Tom Lonergan

Age

40

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197cm

Wt

95kg

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Career

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Last 5

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11.6

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

167.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

5.8

2star

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3.0

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HB

2.8

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M

2.6

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0.4

3star

transition - play Sav as our deepest KPD and build around that. His game needs stability and simplicity. Most others are flexible and offer us different options; SDK ruck/forward, Stewart into the midfield, Kolo a wing and JHenry pretty much anywhere.

My ideal starting defence 2024 -

Zuthrie Esava Atkins
Stewart SDK Guthrie

Given our midfield woes allowing easy transition into defence would love to see this after a pre-season together -

Holmes Blicavs Knevitt
Stanley/Conway Bruhn Clark

Parish would be a good get. As would Flanders.

Interesting off-season ahead, hopefully not for a while yet.

 

[iameviljez]

Kolo a wing

I was with you till I saw this... if ever a player spelled "not a midfielder"...

 

[cats_09]

Sav is quite polarising here. My 2c fwiw having watched Tom Lonergan transition - play Sav as our deepest KPD and build around that. His game needs stability and simplicity. Most others are flexible and offer us different options; SDK ruck/forward, Stewart into the midfield, Kolo a wing and JHenry pretty much anywhere.

My ideal starting defence 2024 -

Zuthrie Esava Atkins
Stewart SDK Guthrie

Given our midfield woes allowing easy transition into defence would love to see this after a pre-season together -

Holmes Blicavs Knevitt
Stanley/Conway Bruhn Clark

Parish would be a good get. As would Flanders.

Interesting off-season ahead, hopefully not for a while yet.

Kolodjashnij has played his best football for us as a KPD, definitely not on the wing where next year we'll hopefully see Holmes focused in that role, and I'd like to see Miers tried there with what he's shown this year

Atkins was played in defence for a period but found his place in the guts - I know he's something of limited footballer, but the best & most settled he's look is in the guts. He also offers us a player defensive mindset at stoppages which is needed

C. Guthrie is a 2 time Carji winning mid who've we've missed in there this year - he's straight back there next year

J. Henry - I know he has played in both defence & occasionally up forward with the odd time in the ruck, but I don't see the benifit to him or the team to not play him in a settled role and treat him as a utility plug & play option. He's a B&F runner up playing as a KPD, this year he's ranked 5th amongst all KPDs for lowest percentage of 1-vs-1 contests lost and just looks to make our defence better

Henry seems to get a bit of the old Blicavs treatment where they believe he can play anywhere so they'll shift him around without settling him into a role - rather find the best position for the player and settle them in that role. Make moves in game when needed, but treating them as utilities without a defined role isn't helpful to player or team

 

[Turbocat]

I hope not too high because we'd be silly to invest a decent pick into a teenage ruckman. If he's not available with a pick we have 3rd round or later I'm not interested

We could make an argument that we were silly to invest an early pick in Conway. I want talent more than role... I think its silly to seperate high end talent by category .. all I what the club to do is assess the talent and pick who they think is the best. Whether its inside outside tall or short.

as we have currently a r1 pick and nothing ... and I mentioned ..if he is there late... if he suddenly moved to 20's or 30's he probably falls outside of our ability to draft him


He is a Blitz type that will take time to develop.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Sav is quite polarising here. My 2c fwiw having watched Tom Lonergan transition - play Sav as our deepest KPD and build around that. His game needs stability and simplicity. Most others are flexible and offer us different options; SDK ruck/forward, Stewart into the midfield, Kolo a wing and JHenry pretty much anywhere.

My ideal starting defence 2024 -

Zuthrie Esava Atkins
Stewart SDK Guthrie

Given our midfield woes allowing easy transition into defence would love to see this after a pre-season together -

Holmes Blicavs Knevitt
Stanley/Conway Bruhn Clark

Parish would be a good get. As would Flanders.

Interesting off-season ahead, hopefully not for a while yet.

I want to get Flanders so I can say "Stupid sexy Flanders" during each game. His footballing ability is just a bonus.

 

[cats_09]

I want to get Flanders so I can say "Stupid sexy Flanders" during each game. His footballing ability is just a bonus.

And include an avatar update to

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

We are turning over a midfield entirely over the next 3 years. Theres easily room for bruhn clark and parish as the 3 inside mids with with blitz and guthrie (at their age they cant play inside every week anymore) around that and holmes and knevitt on the wings.

Knevitt isn't a wingman.

 

[Mr Meow]

Knevitt isn't a wingman.

We often played Joel Corey and Selwood on the wing 2007-2010.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Hard disagree. Players who can kick goals are still the rarest and most sought-after commodity in the game. Guys like Papley, Kyle Langford, Toby Greene, Willie Rioli, Charlie Cameron, they are all hugely valuable in the modern game. It's why Izak Rankine moved for pick 5... and was worth it.

If anything, they're more valuable than they've ever been, because sides tend to like to be more mobile up forward to lock the ball in. The days of everyone lining up with a tall bastard at CHF, a big bastard at FF and a bigger bastard as the resting ruckman in the pocket are over.

Hard disagree. Players who can kick goals are still the rarest and most sought-after commodity in the game. Guys like Papley, Kyle Langford, Toby Greene, Willie Rioli, Charlie Cameron, they are all hugely valuable in the modern game. It's why Izak Rankine moved for pick 5... and was worth it.

If anything, they're more valuable than they've ever been, because sides tend to like to be more mobile up forward to lock the ball in. The days of everyone lining up with a tall bastard at CHF, a big bastard at FF and a bigger bastard as the resting ruckman in the pocket are over.

All those players you mentioned have a variety of strings to their bows as pressure players or involvement in general play up the field. Some of those names are even hybrid midfielders.

The old fashioned traditional medium forward who leads up and does nothing but shoot for goal is a dead commodity. It is why Daniel menzel got delisted after kicking 40 goals in a season.

It is not good enough to just be a medium or small who kicks a few goals these days. It’s all about overall team structure and dynamics, not individuality.

Some players can kick 2-3 goals but cost their team massively with a lack of involvement in other aspects of the game and get dropped for it.

 

[iameviljez]

The old fashioned traditional medium forward who leads up and does nothing but shoot for goal is a dead commodity. It is why Daniel menzel got delisted after kicking 40 goals in a season.

That's different to a forward/midfielder hybrid like you described, though. And for what it's worth, Ollie Henry does far more than Menzel did defensively.

 

[iameviljez]

Knevitt isn't a wingman.

Knevitt is more than capable of playing at AFL level as an outside midfielder. Arguably, his marking for his size is one of his best attributes.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

We often played Joel Corey and Selwood on the wing 2007-2010.

Knevitt isn't Corey or Selwood.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Knevitt is more than capable of playing at AFL level as an outside midfielder. Arguably, his marking for his size is one of his best attributes.

He really isn't. Far too slow.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

If Esava stays or not I’d love to see Kolo plays his football at another club. It won’t happen as coaches seem to love him. I know he can play well as a shut down defender but his turnovers mitigate any positives he has on field.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Can not agree with that at all

Geel have smashed Ess multiple times in recent seasons - 1st qtr blitzes and beautiful to watch

Last years opening game of the season at the MCG - this years MCG game 38 to 0 - this years KP game 7 goals 5 behinds to a single point - and of course in 2020 up the Gabba - the game where for some bizarre reason the Ess players as a total group were laughing when they walked off at h/tIME - what was it 12 goals to 1 - Geelongs game - where was Darcy Parish in all those games - did he fly the flag for the Dons not at all

To be perfectly fair - he has played 1 very good game against us at KP - where he got alot of kicks - but he isnt a good/damaging kick - doesnt hurt you - certainly not an A Grader

Geel over the past 20 years or so have thrashed quite a few teams - even lowly based teams - and you will see players in those teams show a bit of resistance - Parish hasnt displayed that - but you want him in the blue and white hoops

I tend to agree with this regarding Parish. He's made out to be this big contested ball winning bull on this forum. Don't remember him standing out in any games against Geelong and watching his highlights reel he seems to be similar size to our other mids. I'd be comfortable not getting him although its good having depth.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We could make an argument that we were silly to invest an early pick in Conway. I want talent more than role... I think its silly to seperate high end talent by category .. all I what the club to do is assess the talent and pick who they think is the best. Whether its inside outside tall or short.

as we have currently a r1 pick and nothing ... and I mentioned ..if he is there late... if he suddenly moved to 20's or 30's he probably falls outside of our ability to draft him


He is a Blitz type that will take time to develop.

Taking Conway is the reason we need to walk past any over investment in rucks. If he's a late pick sure. If he is actually a competent midfielder the also sure go ahead. But if we're just using another early selection on a ruckman then why?