Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Kobe Gryant]

I've chopped and changed on this a bit. Bailey Smith would be a nice inclusion, but only if we don't need to use more than a late first rounder to get him.
Would Bailey Smith make our MF instantly better? Maybe... I guess the follow up question - does removing Bailey Smith from the dogs affect them? I'd say not that much but could be wrong.

He aint Patrick Dangerfield, put it that way...

Good points, and a very fair perspective.

However, if we're only planning on giving up a late first for the solarium junkie, we might as well put a line through him now.

He'd have to be unbelievably bad next year, and/or have some serious off-field troubles for that to eventuate, and if that's the case, do we really want him anyway?

The Dogs are pricks at trade time (admittedly, so are we of late), and he'll be living off the 2021 finals series and so called 'marketability' for a long time yet.

We're looking at something like 10-12 at a minimum IMO.

 

[Vdubs]

Good points, and a very fair perspective.

However, if we're only planning on giving up a late first for the solarium junkie, we might as well put a line through him now.

He'd have to be unbelievably bad next year, and/or have some serious off-field troubles for that to eventuate, and if that's the case, do we really want him anyway?

The Dogs are pricks at trade time (admittedly, so are we of late), and he'll be living off the 2021 finals series and so called 'marketability' for a long time yet.

We're looking at something like 10-12 at a minimum IMO.

Bailey for Isaac. Smith.
We need a player of that ilk, Isaac made us , and was a master recruiting option.
But just not sure about BS's character.

 

[BORIS332]

Good points, and a very fair perspective.

However, if we're only planning on giving up a late first for the solarium junkie, we might as well put a line through him now.

He'd have to be unbelievably bad next year, and/or have some serious off-field troubles for that to eventuate, and if that's the case, do we really want him anyway?

The Dogs are pricks at trade time (admittedly, so are we of late), and he'll be living off the 2021 finals series and so called 'marketability' for a long time yet.

We're looking at something like 10-12 at a minimum IMO.

We might be able to get Adelaide’s future first on draft night, so we could have two top ten picks in next year’s draft. If that’s the case, I’d be happy to part with one.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Hawkins was coming back from foot surgery. Stewart had his knee jarred minutes into round 1. Stanley got kneed in the guts by TDK.

I guess it serves them right for being lazy in preseason

GFC must be bringing back skinfold tests for no particular reason.

 

[year of the cat]

Sunday night, I believe.

That’s his revised one isn’t it? First one should drop Friday I think?

 

[dangerwood]

I agree with Caddy, I am warming towards him.
If you look at say age 22 and under these are the players are potentially to be midfielders
Willis
Clohesy
Clark
Bruhn
Holmes ( rather wing )
Knevitt

The list looks good! Obviously they all won't be playing there at the same time and few of them won't make it. But the potential is really there. And obviously next year we could pick up a Bailey Smith and that will help hugely.

So this draft how many mids should we actually take? And that's where when it comes to Pur pick, do we pick the best players or what our list needs..
Going to be interesting draft.

The potential is there...maybe...

I struggle to find evidence to be confident about our current young midfield being able to carry this team forward.

Willis - I think has some talent but hasn't been able to get on the park and when he has he's shown a bit but not enough yet, couldn't say he will make it with any confidence.

Clohesy - At this stage he's just a tryer, could improve but he's a poor man's Atkins at this stage.

Clark - I loved the qtr we saw him vs the blues but that's been it, showed more in that qtr than he did in the VFL. I'm bullish on him but evidence is limited.

Bruhn - Im a Luke warm Bruhn fan but he is limited, will be a solid contributor but we will need more to compete with strong midfields in the future.

Holmes - Hates body contact, wing is his best bet.

Knevitt - Ive gone back and forth on him, loved his game vs the dogs, shouldn't have been dropped after that but after he was dropped it didn't show as much. I was convinced after the dogs game but now I'm a bit confused. Couldn't confidently say he is a lock.

So from above I'm most confident on Clark but it's based on 1 qtr of footy (not enough) Luke warm on Bruhn and uncertain on knevitt.

I don't feel there's the evidence to be confident our midfields sorted. Id still happily draft some midfielders.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Bailey for Isaac. Smith.
We need a player of that ilk, Isaac made us , and was a master recruiting option.
But just not sure about BS's character.

He'll be wanting to play in the guts if he comes to the Cattery though

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

The potential is there...maybe...

I struggle to find evidence to be confident about our current young midfield being able to carry this team forward.

Willis - I think has some talent but hasn't been able to get on the park and when he has he's shown a bit but not enough yet, couldn't say he will make it with any confidence.

Clohesy - At this stage he's just a tryer, could improve but he's a poor man's Atkins at this stage.

Clark - I loved the qtr we saw him vs the blues but that's been it, showed more in that qtr than he did in the VFL. I'm bullish on him but evidence is limited.

Bruhn - Im a Luke warm Bruhn fan but he is limited, will be a solid contributor but we will need more to compete with strong midfields in the future.

Holmes - Hates body contact, wing is his best bet.

Knevitt - Ive gone back and forth on him, loved his game vs the dogs, shouldn't have been dropped after that but after he was dropped it didn't show as much. I was convinced after the dogs game but now I'm a bit confused. Couldn't confidently say he is a lock.

So from above I'm most confident on Clark but it's based on 1 qtr of footy (not enough) Luke warm on Bruhn and uncertain on knevitt.

I don't feel there's the evidence to be confident our midfields sorted. Id still happily draft some midfielders.

Could add Dempsey to the list as well.

I suppose all these players bar Holmes and Bruhn haven't really had much time on the park or opportunity to prove themselves at AFL level. Especially poor Clark, he couldn't have done any more before he got injured really.

Fairly happy with Holmes and Bruhn but you're right, Holmes needs to harden up a bit to play on the inside.

 

[Cataholic]

Hawkins was coming back from foot surgery. Stewart had his knee jarred minutes into round 1. Stanley got kneed in the guts by TDK.

I guess it serves them right for being lazy in preseason

Fwiw, I was quietly told that there was some concern about the condition with which some players presented themselves at the start of last season, and it led to some disagreement amongst the coaching staff as some wanted to maintain the freedom given to the players, and others wanted to introduce a stricter governance.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Good points, and a very fair perspective.

However, if we're only planning on giving up a late first for the solarium junkie, we might as well put a line through him now.

He'd have to be unbelievably bad next year, and/or have some serious off-field troubles for that to eventuate, and if that's the case, do we really want him anyway?

The Dogs are pricks at trade time (admittedly, so are we of late), and he'll be living off the 2021 finals series and so called 'marketability' for a long time yet.

We're looking at something like 10-12 at a minimum IMO.

The dogs will probably look at what we did with the Esava trade and play hard ball. Then he'll threaten to go to the pre-season draft etc.

 

[Lana]

The potential is there...maybe...

I struggle to find evidence to be confident about our current young midfield being able to carry this team forward.

Willis - I think has some talent but hasn't been able to get on the park and when he has he's shown a bit but not enough yet, couldn't say he will make it with any confidence.

Clohesy - At this stage he's just a tryer, could improve but he's a poor man's Atkins at this stage.

Clark - I loved the qtr we saw him vs the blues but that's been it, showed more in that qtr than he did in the VFL. I'm bullish on him but evidence is limited.

Bruhn - Im a Luke warm Bruhn fan but he is limited, will be a solid contributor but we will need more to compete with strong midfields in the future.

Holmes - Hates body contact, wing is his best bet.

Knevitt - Ive gone back and forth on him, loved his game vs the dogs, shouldn't have been dropped after that but after he was dropped it didn't show as much. I was convinced after the dogs game but now I'm a bit confused. Couldn't confidently say he is a lock.

So from above I'm most confident on Clark but it's based on 1 qtr of footy (not enough) Luke warm on Bruhn and uncertain on knevitt.

I don't feel there's the evidence to be confident our midfields sorted. Id still happily draft some midfielders.

This is what the start of a full rebuild looks like. Not all of them have to make it, right now we don't even have the opportunities availble to develop them all in the AFL. They just have to create a frame that we can add class to as have a few years with some earlier picks.

 

[Turbocat]

I would definitely take him late or as a rookie which i have said for months or maybe we lool at hin for our vfl list if he isnt picked up.

With the MSD option now ... VFL is one way to go. If he is good enough then why not use a late/rookie pick. It would mean we have put the ruck conundrum to bed for a while

 

[dangerwood]

This is what the start of a full rebuild looks like. Not all of them have to make it, right now we don't even have the opporunities availble to develop them all in the AFL. They just have to create a frame that we can add class to as have a few years with some earlier picks.

Yep and I'm comfortable with that, but Id still take best player available, I'm just saying that I don't think the evidence is there to think that our midfield is sorted.

 

[Lana]

Yep and I'm comfortable with that, but Id still take best player available, I'm just saying that I don't think the evidence is there to think that our midfield is sorted.

My aim would be to find a way to split our first to get two of Leake, Wilson and Windsor. I want guys who could eventual be built into midfielders but could be already to play on the flanks/wings. Risking a Smedts to grab a Duncan/Guthrie.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Yep and I'm comfortable with that, but Id still take best player available, I'm just saying that I don't think the evidence is there to think that our midfield is sorted.

I don't think anyone said it is.

I'm pretty confident on the big 4 (Clark, Holmes, Knevitt, Bruhn) all making it in some way, shape or form, but we're at minimum 1 more away, probably 2.

I like Clohesy & Willis, but they're a bit more in bonus territory for me. Would love if they did make it, but not something I'm prepared to bank on.

Very confident on Dempsey, but he's a burst forward/mid, rather than a meat & potatoes contested beast.

Another high pick midfielder this year, and Bailey Smith next year would be one way of going about finishing it off, and then we can turn our attention to other areas.

However, I think the point that foxdog50 is getting at, is there's a lot of investment there already, and we can hold off finishing it this year if that's the route the club chooses to take.

Drafting someone like Caddy for the post Hawk/Jez era for instance, or getting the backline sorted long term with O'Sullivan, Curtin, Murphy or ZZ.

 

[Warhorse]

I would definitely take him late or as a rookie which i have said for months or maybe we lool at hin for our vfl list if he isnt picked up.

There are a few good rucks in this draft who should be available late. I hope we grab one.

 

[year of the cat]

My aim would be to find a way to split our first to get two of Leake, Wilson and Windsor. I want guys who could eventual be built into midfielders but could be already to play on the flanks/wings. Risking a Smedts to grab a Duncan/Guthrie.

Don’t think that is likely to be possible. Certainly get one of the three, but two is a push. Only possible way would be to give 8 and 25 for 10 and 14 and pray.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

My aim would be to find a way to split our first to get two of Leake, Wilson and Windsor. I want guys who could eventual be built into midfielders but could be already to play on the flanks/wings. Risking a Smedts to grab a Duncan/Guthrie.

Don't mind this approach at all, I like your thinking.

We're in a good spot I reckon, and I kind of like the fact that none of us really know what we're going to do.

Could be walking away with two, three, or even just the one early pick depending on the deal/no deal, and we really don't know who those players will be either.

It's exciting really, and compared to last year where it felt accepted that it's going to be Clark, and then some late dart throws, it's a different feeling right now.

 

[gogeelongcats]

This is what the start of a full rebuild looks like. Not all of them have to make it, right now we don't even have the opportunities availble to develop them all in the AFL. They just have to create a frame that we can add class to as have a few years with some earlier picks.

All clubs would have a similar or better group coming through.
Lets hope our system improves their potential.

 

[moond0g]

I've chopped and changed on this a bit. Bailey Smith would be a nice inclusion, but only if we don't need to use more than a late first rounder to get him.
Would Bailey Smith make our MF instantly better? Maybe... I guess the follow up question - does removing Bailey Smith from the dogs affect them? I'd say not that much but could be wrong.

He aint Patrick Dangerfield, put it that way...

He ain’t Dangerfield (who was the best mid in the league when we got him), but he would have been our best midfielder by some margin this year as a 22yo. So, he’s definitely costing more than a late first rounder

 

[year of the cat]

Really keen on Leake now. Happy if we use 8 on him. Even happier if we trade down to take him plus pick up another player.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

All clubs would have a similar or better group coming through.
Lets hope our system improves their potential.

That's just not the case, and a bit of a lazy take IMO.

We're not Port (Who funnily enough, are about to have three years without a first round pick), but we're creaking into the upper echelon.

It's not 2017 anymore, these aren't Hayball & House types that we're pinning our hopes on.

There's room for improvement for sure, and it's by no means finished....but this is a pretty good group we've got coming through at the moment

Not every club has a kid kicking 40 goals in a season in Ollie Henry, arguably the best young key back in the game in SDK, and three first round mids coming through in Bruhn, Holmes & Clark with another 2 (or 3) top 30 picks in a few days time.

They don't all have a VFL TOTY kid coming through in Dempsey, and highly rated young players with big rapts in Neale, Conway & Knevitt.

They don't all have an All Australian small forward in Stengle, a fringe AA in Jack Henry (when healthy), and some quality best 22 players in Bowes, Miers, Close & Zuthrie all still 25 and under.

You're a quality poster mate, and I'm probably a bit more of a 'list nerd' than many, but to act like every club just has that lying around is pretty lazy.

Our investment in that group over the last few years is only matched (or exceeded) by the genuine basket cases in Norf, GC, & Hawthorn.

Go over every club's list, or just check out some club boards. You'll find that they're not as happy with the state of their lists as many would think.

 

[Lana]

Don’t think that is likely to be possible. Certainly get one of the three, but two is a push. Only possible way would be to give 8 and 25 for 10 and 14 and pray.

Looking at the Bigfooty phantom, it is probably wishful thinking. the three went 12,13,14. Adelaide picks were 13,17. I think we're going to need many bodies in short order. I'd still do the split, I just requires that someone else reads the draft completely different from us.

 

[BORIS332]

My aim would be to find a way to split our first to get two of Leake, Wilson and Windsor. I want guys who could eventual be built into midfielders but could be already to play on the flanks/wings. Risking a Smedts to grab a Duncan/Guthrie.

I still think Clay Hall is criminally underrated. Quick, big tank, lovely left foot, finds lots of the ball. If we split our first (I think we will) I wouldnt mind ignoring the phantom drafts and taking him in the first round.

 

[year of the cat]

Looking at the Bigfooty phantom, it is probably wishful thinking. the three went 12,13,14. Adelaide picks were 13,17. I think we're going to need many bodies in short order. I'd still do the split, I just requires that someone else reads the draft completely different from us.

Even if we split to take Leake and then, failing the availability of Wilson and Windsor, look at Edwards I’d be happy with that outcome.