Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Gee Class Loco]

Hopefully both with late picks.

Agreed.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I wasn't a fan of Rudd this year. He looked way too slow.

 

[Lana]

Agree with this, and I think we'll be settling on one of them in 12 months time.

However, if you look across the league, it's a pretty common conundrum for mine.

You can mount an argument that everybody outside of the absolute top end, and absolute cellar dwellers, that every club is picking 6 one way and half a dozen the other.

Collingwood? They're looking at the here and now, with outside of Daicos (Who is admittedly a superstar) a lack of preparation for the future.

Brisbane are a similar story. Port probably epitomize the two minds theory more than anybody, with some great talent coming through, but a clear list strategy of topping up for the now and sacrificing of draft capital.

Even a club like Essendon, who looked like they knew their direction of an upwards trajectory driven by youth over the coming years, seem to have changed things up over the off-season.

I can only assume they expected a little more from the likes of Reid, Cox & Perkins by now, but it does seem like they don't quite know where they're going.

Just off the top of my head, this is what we're looking at:

Here and now
Collingwood
Brisbane
Melbourne
Carlton?
Port

6 one way, half a dozen the other
Geelong
Western Bulldogs
Richmond
Essendon
St Kilda
GWS

Upwards trajectory you'd think
Adelaide
Sydney
Freo?
Gold Coast?

Rebuilding
West Coast
North
Hawthorn

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While putting teams into categoies can be helpful, it doesn't have to be so descrete. Teams have an investment pool (Picks, cap, list spots, opportunties in the 22), some goes to now some goes to the future.

Ideally they'd be a synergy between what you have at what you are bringing in. Teams that do that well stand out in the short term ahead of their peers that don't. If you are shit and invest in the now with early picks but the players you bring in result in an on field change, you just set back the rebuild (Richmond). If you are good and invest in the future, your contemporaries who invest in the now will get a short term advantage (Us in 2020).

While we can't see the cash side of things. We can get a rough understanding by viewing player movement, and making a few assumptions, trade players/FA tend to be overpaid to entice them to leave etc.

For example Sydney just brought in four players, 3 of whom are going to be 30+ years old. They traded away a 22 year old top 5 pick to help facilitate this. We made an artform out of dumping failed early picks to free up cap space by trading them to other clubs.

 

[bombersboy]

Bailey for Isaac. Smith.
We need a player of that ilk, Isaac made us , and was a master recruiting option.
But just not sure about BS's character.

His kicking is terrible. Check out his disposal efficency. Isaac was a good user of the ball. Bailey is not.

 

[BORIS332]

That's fair.

But it's also hard to look at SDK, Holmes, Bruhn and O Henry and argue we aren't in the best position in terms of talented young players we've been in for a long time.

I struggle to think of a time in the last 10 years we've had 1 key player with that inexperience. Mainly we've given games to guys as role players on flanks. Some have made it some haven't.

But SDK is our number 1 key defender, Holmes and Bruhn key mids and Henry showed heaps as the main forward when Hawkins or Cameron were out.

And clearly not every team has those kids playing key roles. To take the extreme example the youngest player for Richmond who wasn't dropped to the VFL for multiple games last year was Noah Balta whose just turned 24. Even if you don't rate all of those 4 for us we're clearly in a miles better place than Richmond.

Personally, I don't think it matters how our 18-21 players are looking at present. If you have a look at the young contingent of our AFL side - SDK, Miers, Parfitt, Stengle, Henry, Zuthrie, Close, O'Connor - two of them weren't on our list at 21 years old, and the others didn't show much in their first few seasons.

I do agree with you that our <=21 stocks are probably looking the strongest they have in a long time, though.

 

[brucemac]

I wasn't a fan of Rudd this year. He looked way too slow.

Fair enough not the quickest but one of the biggest tanks for his size. 6.17 2km for a 193cm. Coupled with his footy iq, marking and leadership. Pretty good package.

 

[Warhorse]

I wasn't a fan of Rudd this year. He looked way too slow.

Played better in the champs when compared to u18 league

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Fair enough not the quickest but one of the biggest tanks for his size. 6.17 2km for a 193cm. Coupled with his footy iq, marking and leadership. Pretty good package.

I just don't see his game stacking up at AFL level.

 

[BORIS332]

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I just don't see his game stacking up at AFL level.

Which part?

A good trade for Sydney if that happens.

 

[D BRIDGE]

If a team is straight swapping 17 + 18 for 12 alone (if that is the case) then it really shows how badly rated these selections are later in the first round and onwards.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

You can mount an argument that everybody outside of the absolute top end, and absolute cellar dwellers, that every club is picking 6 one way and half a dozen the other

Upwards trajectory you'd think
Adelaide
Sydney
Freo?
Gold Coast?

Rebuilding
West Coast
North
Hawthorn

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I think you are seriously underestimating Adelaide

If one team is going to come out of the pack and win the Premiership at an attractive double figure quote/price - it is the Crows

 

[year of the cat]

If a team is straight swapping 17 + 18 for 12 alone (if that is the case) then it really shows how badly rated these selections are later in the first round and onwards.

Depends which side of the trade you are on as to your opinion of the quality I suppose.

 

[moond0g]

If a team is straight swapping 17 + 18 for 12 alone (if that is the case) then it really shows how badly rated these selections are later in the first round and onwards.

I think it is more related to how many first round picks North have.

Pick 18 will be their 5th selection in the draft. When you have that many, you may as well consolidate your latter picks into fewer selections that are higher up the order.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

If a team is straight swapping 17 + 18 for 12 alone (if that is the case) then it really shows how badly rated these selections are later in the first round and onwards.

Or they have a player specifically in mind that they know wont be available at 17 and 18.
Most likely The Galloping Gasometer's nephew Darcy Wilson
If i was Sydney it would be 15 and 17.
Imagine if they offered us 15,17 & 18 for 8?
FMD this page would get to Part 4 in a day LOL.
Not to mention that some heads would explode hehe.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I think you are seriously underestimating Adelaide

If one team is going to come out of the pack and win the Premiership at an attractive double figure quote/price - it is the Crows

That's basically what the category of 'upwards trajectory' is getting at.

All things being equal, with some more development from their kids and a couple of handy trade additions, I could see a premiership within the next 3 years.

 

[BORIS332]

Or they have a player specifically in mind that they know wont be available at 17 and 18.
Most likely The Galloping Gasometer's nephew Darcy Wilson
If i was Sydney it would be 15 and 17.
Imagine if they offered us 15,17 & 18 for 8?
FMD this page would get to Part 4 in a day LOL.
Not to mention that some heads would explode hehe.

Beatson said they have a clear top 12 and if those players aren't available they'll look to trade back.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Beatson said they have a clear top 12 and if those players aren't available they'll look to trade back.

Pretty much standard across the board.... having a list of players.
I reckon we have a board with 50 players on it as we have 5-6 spots available and pick later on in the draft.

 

[year of the cat]

Beatson said they have a clear top 12 and if those players aren't available they'll look to trade back.

I reckon that’s about right.

Reid, Walter, Duursma, McKercher, Sanders, Watson, Read, Curtin, Caddy, O’Sullivan, Leake, Wilson.

Reckon it drops a bit after that to the next group that starts with Windsor.

 

[Lana]

If a team is straight swapping 17 + 18 for 12 alone (if that is the case) then it really shows how badly rated these selections are later in the first round and onwards.

On the day it'll be closer to 23,24 for 15

 

[BORIS332]

I reckon that’s about right.

Reid, Walter, Duursma, McKercher, Sanders, Watson, Read, Curtin, Caddy, O’Sullivan, Leake, Wilson.

Reckon it drops a bit after that to the next group that starts with Windsor.

They'd probably have Rogers in there somewhere.

Interestingly, Twomey says if Curtin is available at GWS' first (pick 7) then a number of clubs would be interested in trading to get him, that includes us.

 

[year of the cat]

They'd probably have Rogers in there somewhere.

Interestingly, Twomey says if Curtin is available at GWS' first (pick 7) then a number of clubs would be interested in trading to get him, that includes us.

Happy to hear that. Wonder what we’d offer?

 

[Gee Class Loco]

On the day it'll be closer to 23,24 for 15

No use counting Walter Read Rogers Croft nor McCabe as they aren't available to the general public as they are just an illusion created by the AFL with some sort of magical matching wand teams can use... lol

 

[Two Planks]

Beatson said they have a clear top 12 and if those players aren't available they'll look to trade back.

If there is 12 names and they have pick 12, how don't they snare one of them

 

[year of the cat]

If there is 12 names and they have pick 12, how don't they snare one of them

Assume they include academy picks.