Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[cats_09]

Ask and we'll try our best to assist - so here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

As normal, would like to acknowledge & thank Lore for creating this, keeping it up to date and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader

 

[D BRIDGE]

I reckon it will be our first and second this year, as well as a FR2 for Smith and FR3.

1x 1st rounder.
2x 2nd rounders.
1x 3rd rounder.

All for an uncontracted Smith coming off an ACL?

 

[Klink]

1x 1st rounder.
2x 2nd rounders.
1x 3rd rounder.

All for an uncontracted Smith coming off an ACL?

Nope.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

Let's face it though, it is going to be either Smith or take our picks to the draft, everything else is just noise. Hundreds of pages of discussing stuff that won't happen.

One thing we know for certain, when the Cats hierarchy have committed to a non-Geelong player and his management privately behind the scenes to join the club, they will fully commit to him. So, if Smith, his management and the Cats have agreed privately for him to join the GFC, then Geelong will make every attempt for that to happen, our record over the years has 100% proven that.

 

[BORIS332]

yes please. everytime i see him play (which is not alot) he always performs. obviously behind a bunch of guns in that gws midfield.

He was a mid-season rookie, only played 4 non-sub games and he's out of contract - makes me think we could get him relatively cheaply.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I see both sides of the Smith argument.

I'm not overly keen on the risks - the ACL, his form the last season he played and the off field baggage - given the trade cost and the big contract he will demand.

The flip side is we desperately need a midfielder with a bit of x factor and short of spending a couple of years in the wilderness to draft them with top 10 picks, Smith is our best shot of potentially addressing that, at least this off season where the pickings are very slim. I also expect the pickings to remain slim given that GWS and GC are both competitive at the moment, and those two clubs were the major source of wantaway players, plus the significant increase in the salary cap means that every team has cash to retain players if they really want to.

We end up with a "top 4" fixture next year and I could easily see us finishing ~12th in 2025 so not keen on involving our future first round pick.

Dogs will ask for two first rounders.

We will try and offer up a package of draft picks excluding the FR1 like we did to the Pies with Ollie Henry.

The equilibrium position would normally end up that FR1.

I did read on the D&T board a while back though that the Dogs have more father sons next year. So maybe we could get away with this years first plus FR2 & FR3 for F/S points for them as they may not value the FR1 as highly as us or other clubs if it would just get chewed up with a bid anyway.

If we didnt trade the future 1st in 2022 we wont now.
It will be our current r1 and a future 2nd max.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

What changed?

Was it purely the Essendon pick away which meant we missed on Caddy or had we already moved on?

Sounds like we just really really wanted to draft Mannagh

 

[cats_09]

1x 1st rounder.
2x 2nd rounders.
1x 3rd rounder.

All for an uncontracted Smith coming off an ACL?

I believe the suggestion is:

Geelong out: 2024 1st round, 2024 2nd round and 2025 2nd round

Bulldogs out: Bailey Smith & 2025 3rd round

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I reckon it will be our first and second this year, as well as a FR2 for Smith and FR3.

Keep on be of the seconds. Discussion is getting a bit out of hand here

 

[Gunf]

If we didnt trade the future 1st in 2022 we wont now.
It will be our current r1 and a future 2nd max.

Yep 1st this year and a future second (dogs need points next year) and maybe some later pick swaps

 

[sexyhunk]

would you guys do jack steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

for a F1st?

so 24 1st for smith and 25 1st for steele in this window. saints losing battle with possibly a band 1 coming back, this give them another 1st next year when steele is 29 so doubt he be in their window when they contend.

 

[Gunf]

would you guys do jack steele for a F1st?

so 24 1st for smith and 25 1st for steele in this window. saints losing battle with possibly a band 1 coming back, this give them another 1st next year when steele is 29 so doubt he be in their window when they contend.

Hmm i like Steele but i want our trade ins to be focused on players aged 22-27

Unless they are someone who 100% is a star

 

[Klink]

24-year-old gun in his prime. He will cost. The ACL will not mean he comes at a discounted price - there is not a body of evidence to suggest he is injury prone and frail. Right now, it's a one-off and should be treated as such. We won't commit to handing out a large contract to a player we think is likely to break down with significant injuries.

Right now the ACL is a one off. We aren't buying someone who has done 2-3 of them. He is young, fit and healthy.

He's a known gun - not just a proven player, but a 'gun' type of proven player with 8-10 years left and over 100 games under his belt already. Draft picks are unknown and could be busts.

We can't offer a long-term deal on good money to a player and try and short change them by saying we should get a discount based on what current evidence suggests is just a one-off major injury.

There is always a risk there will be repeated major injuries, but if we think that risk is significant, that would be reflected in our offer to him. We have put forward a big contract and the Dogs will rightly expected to be compensated fairly for losing a gun player and at 24, yet to even hit his prime.

I think there is an element of us as fans wanting to bundle up his injury, previous sunstance use, mental health issues to get a discount and get him on the cheap. It just won't work like that IMO.

The sign of a fair and successful trade is both parties not being satisfied from the outcome. That is what will happen here IMO.

I think most would say a first and second would be a great deal - but that means it actually isn't fair, as everyone should walk away feeling a little bit dissatisfied..

 

[Klink]

Keep on be of the seconds. Discussion is getting a bit out of hand here

A first and a second is wishful thinking. They rightfully won't accept it.

 

[Klink]

I believe the suggestion is:

Geelong out: 2024 1st round, 2024 2nd round and 2025 2nd round

Bulldogs out: Bailey Smith & 2025 3rd round

Yep, that was my proposal cats_09 !

 

[sexyhunk]

Hmm i like Steele but i want our trade ins to be focused on players aged 22-27

Unless they are someone who 100% is a star

we dont have the capital(early picks) to trade for 100% stars and i hope we continually dont have with our pick 18s.

 

[Gunf]

we dont have the capital(early picks) to trade for 100% stars and i hope we continually dont have with our pick 18s.

One day we will land some Star FA without having to trade for them

 

[dazbroncos]

I believe the suggestion is:

Geelong out: 2024 1st round, 2024 2nd round and 2025 2nd round

Bulldogs out: Bailey Smith & 2025 3rd round

way too much - hes not Jezza or Cadman

Its just Bailey Smith.

GO Catters

 

[sexyhunk]

I believe the suggestion is:

Geelong out: 2024 1st round, 2024 2nd round and 2025 2nd round

Bulldogs out: Bailey Smith & 2025 3rd round

nah man.

imo how it pans out is dogs want 2 firsts, cats want 1st and 2nd with a 3rd coming back.

last hour of trade week. cats out 1st and 2nd and just have smith coming back.

 

[cats_09]

way too much - hes not Jezza or Cadman

Its just Bailey Smith.

GO Catters

Agree, especially coming off an ACL and not playing at any level in 2024

I know our 2024 first will be used, after that I wouldn't want to be doing more than a direct swap of picks - our F2 for their F3 type thing

 

[cats_09]

nah man.

imo how it pans out is dogs want 2 firsts, cats want 1st and 2nd with a 3rd coming back.

last hour of trade week. cats out 1st and 2nd and just have smith coming back.

It's not my suggestion

 

[My Tilly]

would you guys do jack steele for a F1st?

so 24 1st for smith and 25 1st for steele in this window. saints losing battle with possibly a band 1 coming back, this give them another 1st next year when steele is 29 so doubt he be in their window when they contend.

Would rather get Macrae for a lot cheaper than that and he would serve a similar purpose.
With Holmes (21), Dempsey (21) and probably Smith (24), that is some serious spread with plenty of run & carry.

We need a big bodied bull on the inside. I guess this is where the intrigue for Knevitt comes into play. He looks decent and still young (21). At 194cm tall, young players that size usually take a bit longer to put it all together.
Look at Will Day at Hawthorn. Similar size but he's in his 5th season and it's beginning to all click.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Would rather get Macrae for a lot cheaper than that and he would serve a similar purpose.
With Holmes (21), Dempsey (21) and probably Smith (24), that is some serious spread with plenty of run & carry.

We need a big bodied bull on the inside. I guess this is where the intrigue for Knevitt comes into play. He looks decent and still young (21). At 194cm tall, young players that size usually take a bit longer to put it all together.
Look at Will Day at Hawthorn. Similar size but he's in his 5th season and it's beginning to all click.

My guess would be that's where the interest in Davies comes in.

We wouldn't be asking him to be anything he's not, just at the feet of packs and getting it out to Dempsey, Holmes, & Smith on the outside.

 

[Strange Cat]

I’m off the opinion that most trades are agreed to in principle long before trade week , I have no doubts that both the bulldogs and cats have already negotiated as much as they can so I’m not expecting him not to end up here unless a Hail Mary trade comes up for another player…once a player has nominated us they end up here

 

[Lana]

I’m off the opinion that most trades are agreed to in principle long before trade week , I have no doubts that both the bulldogs and cats have already negotiated as much as they can so I’m not expecting him not to end up here unless a Hail Mary trade comes up for another player…once a player has nominated us they end up here

I think it depends on what subsequent moves the clubs need to make. Usually there is a flurry of early trades, a bump once the FA compensation is locked in then it settles until the last day.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

A first and a second is wishful thinking. They rightfully won't accept it.

It was considered overs like 5 weeks ago. What changed?