Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[cats_09]

Ask and we'll try our best to assist - so here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

As normal, would like to acknowledge & thank Lore for creating this, keeping it up to date and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Free Agency Period​

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.

Free Agency Opens: Friday October 4 at 9.00am
Free Agency Closes: Friday October 11 at 5.00pm

Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period​

Trade Period Opens: Monday October 7 at 9.00am
Trade Period Closes: Wednesday October 16 at 7.30pm

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We’re in trouble if we’re playing Blitz in the ruck all year. Good for a pinch hit, but not permanently.

I hope Conway gets a really good run at it, and I suspect Stanley going around again is backup for him. Ideally 6-8 games if only because Conway’s body is not quite ready for a full 25 game season.

I think it's crucial to retain SDK for next year on that front. I can see Conway being heavily managed within game where he floats into the backline after centre bounces and swaps with SDK or Blitz. I can see us splitting stoppages between all 4 of Conway, Blitz, SDK, and Neale

 

[tenderwarrior]

So far we have off the Primary list:
- Hawkins, Touhy, Rohan, Parfitt, Willis, Foster (6)?
And the Rookie list:
- Jeka, Murdoch, Hardie (3)?

Is that right? I feel like we delisted and re-rookied Willis and/or Foster at some point.

I would like to see Duncan to retire now, but to continue on for next year shouldn't hurt our list management going forward..

Duncan, Stanley, Bews to retire end of 2025

Blicavs, Dangerfield, Guthrie (if makes it through 2025) to retire end of 2026..

Stewart, Cameron, Kolodjashnij to retire end of 2027..

... if we do add Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, that would be another player retiring before the 2028 season you would think, but still very manageable..

 

[tielgaz]

We’re in trouble if we’re playing Blitz in the ruck all year. Good for a pinch hit, but not permanently.

I hope Conway gets a really good run at it, and I suspect Stanley going around again is backup for him. Ideally 6-8 games if only because Conway’s body is not quite ready for a full 25 game season.

Not quit ready for a full 25 games, hopes are he can get through a block of faces with no injuries. I think they will try to get 3-4 game into him, rest him, and repeat…

 

[FootyLad0]

On Martin, I have no doubts we'd have done our due diligence and had his body assessed. The fact we're considered the leader for his services would suggest we believe we can fix whatever issues have plagued him.

But it's still massive risk - an average of only playing 13 games per season is a huge red flag.

Did a medical on him yesterday, i'd imagine they wouldn't be interested if they didn't think they could get him right.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So far we have off the Primary list:
- Hawkins, Touhy, Rohan, Parfitt, Willis, Foster (6)?
And the Rookie list:
- Jeka, Murdoch, Hardie (3)?

Is that right? I feel like we delisted and re-rookied Willis and/or Foster at some point.

I would like to see Duncan to retire now, but to continue on for next year shouldn't hurt our list management going forward..

Duncan, Stanley, Bews to retire end of 2025

Blicavs, Dangerfield, Guthrie (if makes it through 2025) to retire end of 2026..

Stewart, Cameron, Kolodjashnij to retire end of 2027..

... if we do add Jack Martin, that would be another player retiring before the 2028 season you would think, but still very manageable..

Willis and foster both senior listed until yesterday

 

[catswhiskers]

Undersized (underdeveloped) 20 year old kid hard as a cats head who at times displays outstanding vision and ball use.

Add in - without a tank?

Do I remember correctly if I say his first year was cruelled by a lower body injury, hence may have lost conditioning.

Anyway. Building his tank is his priority . Can play.

 

[iameviljez]

So our R1 + Clohesy for Smith?

And why would the Dogs want Clohesy?

 

[Hamingja]

We're losing Hawkins, Tuohy and Rohan as experienced players. Parfitt is gone as depth. Then turfed a bunch of guys who were just playing VFL and not going to make it.

Need to be careful with how you go about transitioning and re-modelling the list. Can't cut too deep all at once or you can end up in free fall; also need to be mindful not to keep too many old heads around with guaranteed spots in the seniors because that can turn out badly too. The two worst clubs of the last few years - North and WCE - illustrate the outcome of these contrasting approaches. North turfed everyone out at once and have never recovered; WCE left too many of their old stars hanging around and they all fell in a heap at the same time.

I think we could have afforded to part with another of those senior brigade, probably one of Stanley, Bews or Duncan. But we've already lost 4 guys who had been regulars in the side at some time recently (Tuohy, Hawkins, Parfitt and Rohan), so I think that's enough without being drastic. That said, I would expect and hope that most of them play out the majority of next year as VFL/depth players. Danger will obviously go on for a while yet and will be managed through the year. I doubt the club would want to make the call on Cam Guthrie just yet, given he hasn't had a clear run at it for two years, but 2025 will need to be make or break for him.

Stanley is a curious one given he was willing to finish last year, but may be continuing for a second following that call. He was pretty good towards the end of this year, but his body must be near shot to pieces and can't see him running out the year if he can even start it. But him staying onboard is perhaps a reflection of our belief of what rucks are out their for us to acquire during the trade/draft period. I'd still like us to pick up someone else, even if it's just insurance for Stanley and Conway if/when they break down.

I think you have to look at the list and the best 22 as two separate beasts. Hopefully CS does but I would say that would be doubtful, particularly in the case of Duncan.

Happy to keep the older players around on the list. We have enough list changes for our limited selections at the draft. Churning the kids that aren't up to it and keeping some senior players around for depth is a better way of going about it.

Picking Stanley and Bews at the end of the year was the right call IMO but round 1 next year neither should start in the team. Duncan either honestly, but he will start so that is a moot point.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

On Martin, I have no doubts we'd have done our due diligence and had his body assessed. The fact we're considered the leader for his services would suggest we believe we can fix whatever issues have plagued him.

But it's still massive risk - an average of only playing 13 games per season is a huge red flag.

He could be our Linc McCarthy.
Club spends a few years and countless resources getting his body right only for him to jump ship and be a consistent performer at a new club.
The analogy falls apart when you consider age, and the fact Linc was playing weekly in the VFL in his last season, but if you ignore those vital facts... it's exactly the same.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

And why would the Dogs want Clohesy?

They need small forwards

 

[Munich]

When's the announcement

 

[Munich]

He could be our Linc McCarthy.
Club spends a few years and countless resources getting his body right only for him to jump ship and be a consistent performer at a new club.
The analogy falls apart when you consider age, and the fact Linc was playing weekly in the VFL in his last season, but if you ignore those vital facts... it's exactly the same.

Hasn't he done his knee?

 

[MisterMarcus]

It's strange the way the Hardie haters feel the urge to sink the boot in after he's been delisted. Wouldn't it be better just to leave it alone? Hardie was very good at VFL level, 4th in the VFL medal and Geelong's only player in the VFL team of the year. He should be admired for putting in week after week even though he never received the call up to the AFL team. He did make it as an emergency more than once which suggests he was rated by the club.

For me, it's more confusion than anything else.

We have midfield weaknesses and this bloke's racking up 25-30+ in the VFL....yet we don't give him a chance?

So maybe there's some fundamental flaw the club sees that keeps him restricted to VFL level.....yet why then name him as an emergency for AFL several times?

So the club DO perhaps rate him, he's in the mix, maybe just needs some tweaks to his game....yet we delist him immediately the season ends?

The whole thing is a bit weird.

 

[catempire]

Wouldn’t be surprised at a Smith announcement today.

 

[iameviljez]

They need small forwards

He is a midfielder

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Wouldn’t be surprised at a Smith announcement today.

Please let me know because I'm not sure i want to keep tabs on his insta to find out myself

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He is a midfielder

He kicks a fair few goals for a midfielder

 

[iameviljez]

He kicks a fair few goals for a midfielder

Yes, he does, but that's very, very different to playing as a forward.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yes, he does, but that's very, very different to playing as a forward.

He can play as a forward. They'll get him virtually for free and I think he's much closer to games as a forward there than games as a mid here.

We need mids but he's too similar to Clark, Bruhn, Atkins etc. in my opinion. We need size and/or speed.

 

[iameviljez]

He can play as a forward. They'll get him virtually for free and I think he's much closer to games as a forward there than games as a mid here

If they really want him, they can just draft him. Isn't he rookie-listed?

To kick goals as a forward, you usually need to be agile, or good overhead. He's neither.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If they really want him, they can just draft him. Isn't he rookie-listed?

To kick goals as a forward, you usually need to be agile, or good overhead. He's neither.

Realistically he'd be basically free in the trade. It's a no lose scenario for them. Geelong would offer him a contract so it would be to be a trade.

 

[Munich]

Please let me know because I'm not sure i want to keep tabs on his insta to find out myself

I'll take one for the team

 

[iameviljez]

Realistically he'd be basically free in the trade. It's a no lose scenario for them. Geelong would offer him a contract so it would be to be a trade.

Then why wouldn't they ask for another draft pick on top of the first rounder that would obviously make the basis of the trade?

If I were the Dogs, I wouldn't accept Clohesy in a trade. I'd go for a Round 1 and a later pick, and then if I really really wanted Clohesy, I'd draft him with the last pick of the draft.

But seriously, a 20yo rookie who has played three quarters of AFL footy is worth zilch in a trade.

 

[Lana]

For me, it's more confusion than anything else.

We have midfield weaknesses and this bloke's racking up 25-30+ in the VFL....yet we don't give him a chance?

So maybe there's some fundamental flaw the club sees that keeps him restricted to VFL level.....yet why then name him as an emergency for AFL several times?

So the club DO perhaps rate him, he's in the mix, maybe just needs some tweaks to his game....yet we delist him immediately the season ends?

The whole thing is a bit weird.

Not really, you pick best available, someone is the carry over emergency a few too many times so someone else gets the go.
If the cards fall the right way someone like Sulivan at Collingwood or Narkle at port gets some games

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

What was the knock on Willis?
Finally got fit , pace to burn…..
Was it endurance, inability to find the pill?
Thanks , I didn’t watch a lot of VFL so a bit mystified…