Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[CatToTheFuture]

Anyone else see the Lennox Hofmann article posted this morning in the Geelong Addy? Straight up hilarious how he basically shit on St Kilda throughout, stating how he's sad that Cole didn't get drafted, and how he was 'hoping the bid didn't get matched', as he was 'excited at the idea of going to Geelong.' Was apparently so stoked when he got through to us.

Think about that for a sec...aligned with an academy and told you're likely to go there...but then really happy that you don't.

This is why we're a destination club, and Saints are just the place where dreams go to die, lol.

I think his comments were probably stripped of a little context, and also, he has to say how he's happy to be drafted to us. Hard to answer a question on your bid not getting matched

 

[Pollywaffle]

He's going to be a gun.
He and Polkinghorne will be two steals from this years draft.

Kg and Cornes (senior) have a Saturday morning show here in Adelaide and I just caught the back end of a caller, a local who said that the cats had done it again and picked up up a steal in the draft, I think it was about Polkinghorne. Said the kid was a gun but had experienced an interrupted previous few years.

 

[FootyLad0]

Kg and Cornes (senior) have a Saturday morning show here in Adelaide and I just caught the back end of a caller, a local who said that the cats had done it again and picked up up a steal in the draft, I think it was about Polkinghorne. Said the kid was a gun but had experienced an interrupted previous few years.

I’m big on Polkinghorne

He looks athletic as hell and as you said, had gone through some injuries which affected his Draft stock.

According to SA talent scouts had he not missed soo much time with injury he most likely would have been a genuine first rounder.

 

[Lana]

I'm surprised how good he looks defensively. More the Guthrie or even Kolo mould than a Jordan Clark type.

If we consider our current mix being approximately

FB Henry De Koning Z.Guthrie
HB Stewart Kolodjashnij Humphries/Holmes/Duncan/Bews/Mullin/Bowes/Guthrie

We could see something like this

FB O'Sullivan De Koning Hoffman
HB Z.Guthrie Henry Humphries/Bowes/Mullin

Aerially that is really strong, good rebound, propped up by talls that are all solid at moving the ball by their position.
Still vulnerable to smalls and the lead up kick(but so is everyone who doesn't play with the flood). Like always up the ground pressure is paramount

 

[geelong_crazy26]

By DVI, our draft spend this year was our the 2nd weakest in the last 17 years. Or the 6th percentile compared to everyone else in that time.

If we get 1 b22 player out of this draft i will call it a win.

Having b smith b22 with pick 17 is already a win from the draft

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I’m big on Polkinghorne

He looks athletic as hell and as you said, had gone through some injuries which affected his Draft stock.

According to SA talent scouts had he not missed soo much time with injury he most likely would have been a genuine first rounder.

What injuries did he have his past two seasons?

 

[My Tilly]

What injuries did he have his past two seasons?

Knee issue was his latest setback I believe.


(we do love our draftees who have knee concerns don't we)

 

[Tony Barber]

Knee issue was his latest setback I believe.


(we do love our draftees who have knee concerns don't we)

They probably reckon they know what an ok knee and a bad knee is after everything they did to get Menzel right.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Did thet have the ability ar that point to match??

Once they took Patrick said they had no list spot. What they should have done was taken Hoffman with that pick instead, concluded the draft and tried to get said as a rookie.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What year was our weakest by DVI?

2015 because we traded out our 1st 2 picks for danger and our 3rd for Smith plus futures for henderson. Had one awesome late pick in menegola and some other dross (although buzza has been OK at state level, Gardner is somehow on a list still and hayball is doing well at college football).

 

[Turkey Tom]

hayball is doing well at college football).

Think he is in the NFL as the New Orleans Saints punter now.

 

[cats_09]

I know there's always chat around the academy and F&S bidding process - coming up shortly will be the first fully national AFLW draft and this is the rules they've implemented for their academy and F&D bidding process

Is this something that would work in the AFL?

"Under AFLW rules, a side must have a pick within 18 selections of where a bid is placed to match it and gain access to their Academy and/or father-daughter product."

It would stop teams having a series of picks in the 30s & 40s to match bids they know will come in the top 5 or 10 selections


Article - https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/news/1262111/suns-plot-shock-move-to-land-heart-and-soul-dee

 

[iameviljez]

"Under AFLW rules, a side must have a pick within 18 selections of where a bid is placed to match it and gain access to their Academy and/or father-daughter product."

Would be insane to get a Pick 1 player using just Pick 19.

 

[cats_09]

Would be insane to get a Pick 1 player using just Pick 19.

Less insane than using than what teams currently do with being able to use 3 or 4 picks in the 30s & 40s?

What if it's that they have to use pick that within the 18 selection limit and any required subsequent picks to match the points?

So if bid on at pick 1, they have to use at least one pick within the first 19 picks of the draft to match?

 

[iameviljez]

Less insane than using than what teams currently do with being able to use 3 or 4 picks in the 30s & 40s?

The DVI points system clearly overvalues later picks, but that doesn't mean another bad solution is ideal.

 

[FootyLad0]

Would be insane to get a Pick 1 player using just Pick 19.

Yeah should be within 10 places. The gap in talent in a draft between Pick 1 and Pick 19 can be a gulf.

IMO, 10 Places of the bid is enough to keep teams honest without going overboard to de-incentivise it.

So if Levi Ashcroft was bid on at Pick 5 like he was, Lions would have had to come up with a Pick from Pick 6-15 to satisfy the bid match.

 

[iameviljez]

Yeah should be within 10 places. The gap in talent in a draft between Pick 1 and Pick 19 can be a gulf.

IMO, 10 Places of the bid is enough to keep teams honest without going overboard to de-incentivise it.

So if Levi Ashcroft was bid on at Pick 5 like he was, Lions would have had to come up with a Pick from Pick 6-15 to satisfy the bid match.

I think the idea behind the bid matching points system is right. I just think that the pricing is too low.

 

[Footy Smarts]

The DVI points system clearly overvalues later picks, but that doesn't mean another bad solution is ideal.

The system is fine just the values are crazy.

You'll know the values are right when clubs are only willing to do trades pretty close to what the value says and not give up twice as many points in late picks for one earlier pick.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Yeah should be within 10 places. The gap in talent in a draft between Pick 1 and Pick 19 can be a gulf.

IMO, 10 Places of the bid is enough to keep teams honest without going overboard to de-incentivise it.

So if Levi Ashcroft was bid on at Pick 5 like he was, Lions would have had to come up with a Pick from Pick 6-15 to satisfy the bid match.

That means Brisbane would miss on Ashcroft cause they probably couldn't have got a top 15 pick.

Just fix the value of draft picks and send teams into deficit. I think if Brisbane lost their first and second rounders for 2024 and 2025 to get Ashcroft and Marshall they would've still done that. And they pay something closer to fair value.

 

[FootyLad0]

That means Brisbane would miss on Ashcroft cause they probably couldn't have got a top 15 pick.

Just fix the value of draft picks and send teams into deficit. I think if Brisbane lost their first and second rounders for 2024 and 2025 to get Ashcroft and Marshall they would've still done that. And they pay something closer to fair value.

Brisbane would have used their first to move up and not down in the first place to make it happen.

If you need to trade future picks to get it done then so be it, that's the price of moving up to get a top talent as a team who finished as Premiers.
Pick within 10 places of a bid is totally reasonable and the points system needs to GTFO,

It has no basis in any trade standing outside Father/Son picks currently.

 

[cats_09]

That means Brisbane would miss on Ashcroft cause they probably couldn't have got a top 15 pick.

Just fix the value of draft picks and send teams into deficit. I think if Brisbane lost their first and second rounders for 2024 and 2025 to get Ashcroft and Marshall they would've still done that. And they pay something closer to fair value.

And I think that's where the AFLW have thought about things and gone with, "within 18 picks" - the idea being each club starts with 1 pick per round of the draft, if you decide to trade out of that round knowing you hav an academy player or F&D pick that's likely to be bid upon earlier than later, that's on you for not having an available pick

Making it within 10 picks would also freeze teams out of being able to match unless the overpaid to jump up to a required pick as part of live trading

 

[geelong_crazy26]

That means Brisbane would miss on Ashcroft cause they probably couldn't have got a top 15 pick.

Just fix the value of draft picks and send teams into deficit. I think if Brisbane lost their first and second rounders for 2024 and 2025 to get Ashcroft and Marshall they would've still done that. And they pay something closer to fair value.

At what point does the deficit system allow you to keep going?? The issue is you then need a point where you say “ sorry you cant match”. Would getting ashcroft x2 rhen anabelle ( 3 no1 draft picks) in 4 years be worth getting picks 70 for the following two years after?? Easily yes.

 

[iameviljez]

Brisbane would have used their first to move up and not down in the first place to make it happen.

Yeah, but that involves anticipating other club's picking a la Essendon with Kako.

 

[cats_09]

At what point does the deficit system allow you to keep going?? The issue is you then need a point where you say “ sorry you cant match”. Would getting ashcroft x2 rhen anabelle ( 3 no1 draft picks) in 4 years be worth getting picks 70 for the following two years after?? Easily yes.

If a team has insufficient picks/points to match, they go into deficit the following season starting at the equivalent round to which the player was taken the previous season

This happened to Fremantle in 2019 when Carlton put a bid on Liam Henry with pick 9 - that forced Fremantle to scramble for a live trade to at least cover some points, but they still finished with a deficit of 265 points from the bid going into the 2020 draft:

“We also have a deficit on that 2020 first round pick which will mean it will slide back. As to how far, that depends on where we finish next year.

“For example, a number one pick would slide to pick two, while a pick 18 would slide to pick 26.”

Bell: Frederick signing tops off historic National Draft haul

Fremantle have set themselves up for the future with their four selections in the 2019 NAB National Draft, according to general manager of football Peter Bell.

www.fremantlefc.com.au

 

[geelong_crazy26]

If a team has insufficient picks/points to match, they go into deficit the following season starting at the equivalent round to which the player was taken the previous season

This happened to Fremantle in 2019 when Carlton put a bid on Liam Henry with pick 9 - that forced Fremantle to scramble for a live trade to at least cover some points, but they still finished with a deficit of 265 points from the bid going into the 2020 draft:

Bell: Frederick signing tops off historic National Draft haul

Fremantle have set themselves up for the future with their four selections in the 2019 NAB National Draft, according to general manager of football Peter Bell.

www.fremantlefc.com.au

So in theory you could probably get away with two no1 picks going into a trade defecit b2b and end up with a really bad hand the third season.

Whichever way you look at it, the AFL has got the academy bidding system way out of wack.