Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[Zouz Kitty]

I see Hastie still is OOC in 2025 …so id bet we keep an eye on him… Jaques got mentioned by one of the kids interviewed on trade radio … probably a good sign that his talent stood out (Toby Travgillia I think)

would look good in hoops…..

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Has the Geelong pedigree + a Ranga

Must join Geelong Cats

 

[ShadowCat]

Lachlan Blakiston a mature age ruck from out West, has done a medical at both Geelong and Saints. Both clubs said to have serious interest. There's our mature ager. Just remains to be seen who gets him/what picks they're willing to use

Smith, J. Martin, Jacques (obligatory Falcons pick), Blakiston and Bourke (Cat B Irish talent)

That'd do me.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I can’t blame them this is mind boggling incompetence

I haven’t got a clue where’s the upside to any of this is for WCE

Only theory that makes any sense is it's 2022 all over again for them.

FOS, Langford, Smith, Smillie, Lalor etc have all said to them they won't go, or they'll leave in two years.

They're not going to call out Allen's name at 3, as that would look ridiculous (same with Ginbey & Hewett in 2022) so they've traded back to save face, and got an extra pick for their troubles.

Even then though, there's better ways to go about it. Potentially trading into next year, or waiting for a desperate club on draft night who's prepared to give you a haul.

Sad really, they were once a mighty club, worthy of being in the Hawthorn, Geelong, & Sydney conversation...but they've become a joke in record time.

 

[Turbocat]

Has the Geelong pedigree + a Ranga

Must join Geelong Cats

Lets see. I see him as sort of similar to Hastie … a GF kid who we usually like to add…. just depnds on needs and availablity . We cant pick him if he is alraedy gone or if you rate someone else higher who is available...

 

[moond0g]

I think it's also being caught slightly on the hop. Apparently the Brownlow was a bad event for him - that's only a couple of weeks ago.

I reckon he'll be dealt out a la Harley Bennell at the end of next year.

I've read many things alluding to behavior at the Brownlow, but nothing specific.

What actually happened? It's pretty common for players to have a few too many beers at the Brownlow, so I'm assuming it is something more than that.

 

[OzeSparky]

Scotty is right.It's Ridiculous.

 

[goyoucatters]

From their perspective, they have turned one player (pick 3) into two AFL grade players and possibly a third (pick 12).

Most importantly, they have recruited two players who really want to be there and will stick around. They might be thinking that the top choices in the draft are all Victorian, and just recruiting another green kid will result in another Go Home.

They probably field six to twelve players who aren't AFL standard every week at the moment. This now drops to four to ten.

I'm with you here. Considered without context, it does look a very ordinary deal. But if the pick 3 they were envisaging taking on is at least 50% likely to request a trade 'home' in a couple of years, how does that help them? It's just list churn until eternity.

Baker will be more than decent for them. Owies has held down a place in a far better team than the one he's joining now. And if pick 12 (in a very even draft) is actually someone they're targeting who is prepared to buy into the club and its location, that's three likely senior players for quite some years. Baker is 26 and Owies is 27; they're not grizzled vets riding out the final years of their careers.

I definitely wouldn't be a huge fan of the deal if it happened at the Cattery. But I think the particular circumstances of the Weagles at the moment make it relatively understandable.

And if Reid looks to get out of Perth at the end of his current deal, I think this list management decision makes even more sense. You have to work within the context and constraints in which you find yourself. So to simply say 'my club wouldn't do that deal so it's dumb' is more than a little simplistic, I believe.

 

[Bunnings]

tank next year if we don’t get smith or Oliver, can’t have the same almost players running through the midfield, the margin for error to do something like that (make a prelim) again, is almost zero.

 

[Johanpetro]

Lachlan Blakiston a mature age ruck from out West, has done a medical at both Geelong and Saints. Both clubs said to have serious interest. There's our mature ager. Just remains to be seen who gets him/what picks they're willing to use

Smith, J. Martin, Jacques (obligatory Falcons pick), Blakiston and Bourke (Cat B Irish talent)

That'd do me.

6ft 8 averaged 16.5 touches , 34 hitouts and 5 score involvements. Had a 61 hitout game during the season. Everything looks good to me. You know much about him?

 

[iameviljez]

Owies wasnt offered a contract form Blues as far as I know

Not yet, but the same is true of a number of players at Geelong.

 

[Strange Cat]

Scotty is right.It's Ridiculous.

I would say it’s borderline sackable for those involve

Yea they have the go home factor for the draftees …but pick ****ing 3 you would hope you get far more picks back than what they got out of that trade

 

[Strange Cat]

Not yet, but the same is true of a number of players at Geelong.

You’re spinning this very hard …you’ll make a good politician

 

[Grimoz]

Not yet, but the same is true of a number of players at Geelong.

They said he wasnt getting one because they were too tight with cap space

 

[Turbocat]

Only theory that makes any sense is it's 2022 all over again for them.

FOS, Langford, Smith, Smillie, Lalor etc have all said to them they won't go, or they'll leave in two years.

They're not going to call out Allen's name at 3, as that would look ridiculous (same with Ginbey & Hewett in 2022) so they've traded back to save face, and got an extra pick for their troubles.

Even then though, there's better ways to go about it. Potentially trading into next year, or waiting for a desperate club on draft night who's prepared to give you a haul.

Sad really, they were once a mighty club, worthy of being in the Hawthorn, Geelong, & Sydney conversation...but they've become a joke in record time.

They do have three years to convince them … and traditionally West Coast have just ignored that sentiment. They did it with Judd and he stayed for 6. I think they rate Allen much the same as most of the others and it gets them Baker as well… but its a lot to pay for an uncontracted Baker. We paid a heap for Danger ..and then he won the B&F first year ..so Baker best perform well. Once would think Baker being uncontracted ..they could have found a better way to get him.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

tank next year if we don’t get smith or Oliver, can’t have the same almost players running through the midfield, the margin for error to do something like that (make a prelim) again, is almost zero.

Sure, and we'll just give up whatever chance we have at attracting guys like Smith & Oliver, or Butters, Reid, & Cadman down the line.

We couldn't even tank properly even if we wanted to.

There's three historically bad sides occupying the bottom 3, to go with the perpetually dysfunctional Adelaide, St Kilda, & Essendon.

In a heavily compromised draft too - which next year promises to be - it would be the dumbest idea possible.

We'd be destroying the club culture for pick 9 or 10.

 

[iameviljez]

Owies would’ve been a DFA. Eagles easily couldve used the threat of the PSD with baker. No idea why you’re trying to rationalise it. Everyone on earth thinks it’s a horrible trade. If it were Geelong would you be happy lol.

He would have to be delisted for that to happen. Given he has 33 goals on board, I doubt Owies is not going to be offered something at the end of Trade Week if no trade materialised.

Baker - they couldn't have used the threat of the PSD, because Richmond have a pick ahead of them. So do Norf, and I wouldn't put it beyond them to take Baker either.

I do think they have overpaid, but I get the logic. Just getting another Vic kid - or assumedly Bo Allan who may well want to wind up at Freo as his father was captain - is burning one more pick.

For Geelong it would be a horrible trade - but Geelong is different, because we never get top three picks, we don't suffer go-home factor, and we haven't been anchored on the bottom of the ladder for years. For West Coast, it's overs, but it makes some sense.

 

[iameviljez]

They said he wasnt getting one because they were too tight with cap space

They can offer him on lower terms.

 

[Turbocat]

Scotty is right.It's Ridiculous.

Its bit hard not to laugh…but id imagine some would be spitting blood...

 

[iameviljez]

You’re spinning this very hard …you’ll make a good politician

I've never been so offended in all my life

 

[OzeSparky]

Its bit hard not to laugh…but id imagine some would be spitting blood...

So they should be spitting blood. Terrible trade.

 

[ShadowCat]

6ft 8 averaged 16.5 touches , 34 hitouts and 5 score involvements. Had a 61 hitout game during the season. Everything looks good to me. You know much about him?

Honestly not really. Just going on what I've read, and knowing that we really are going all in on mature agers in the past 5 years, I'd say he's definitely seen as insurance or better, in the case Conway doesn't work out. Rate the move over spending capital on other sub par ruckmen, if it does eventuate.

 

[iameviljez]

tank next year if we don’t get smith or Oliver, can’t have the same almost players running through the midfield, the margin for error to do something like that (make a prelim) again, is almost zero.

That's it. Trade Week has finally broken someone. Nurse!....

 

[Turbocat]

He would have to be delisted for that to happen. Given he has 33 goals on board, I doubt Owies is not going to be offered something at the end of Trade Week if no trade materialised.

Baker - they couldn't have used the threat of the PSD, because Richmond have a pick ahead of them. So do Norf, and I wouldn't put it beyond them to take Baker either.

I do think they have overpaid, but I get the logic. Just getting another Vic kid - or assumedly Bo Allan who may well want to wind up at Freo as his father was captain - is burning one more pick.

For Geelong it would be a horrible trade - but Geelong is different, because we never get top three picks, we don't suffer go-home factor, and we haven't been anchored on the bottom of the ladder for years. For West Coast, it's overs, but it makes some sense.

Its almost a Gold Coast trade …. Gold Coast and West Coast thought of on the same level.. is jarring.

 

[goyoucatters]

He would have to be delisted for that to happen. Given he has 33 goals on board, I doubt Owies is not going to be offered something at the end of Trade Week if no trade materialised.

Baker - they couldn't have used the threat of the PSD, because Richmond have a pick ahead of them. So do Norf, and I wouldn't put it beyond them to take Baker either.

I do think they have overpaid, but I get the logic. Just getting another Vic kid - or assumedly Bo Allan who may well want to wind up at Freo as his father was captain - is burning one more pick.

For Geelong it would be a horrible trade - but Geelong is different, because we never get top three picks, we don't suffer go-home factor, and we haven't been anchored on the bottom of the ladder for years. For West Coast, it's overs, but it makes some sense.

It seems to be almost forgotten here that West Coast is currently pretty much the dictionary definition of 'not a destination club'. This would look to be an absymal deal if you're sitting where we are on the 'destination club' ladder. If you're West Coast (who are making a fair run at the wooden spoon on that ladder yet again this year), I can see how you arrive at this list management decision. It's far from ideal but everyone has to live in the real world.

Unless you're the Dogs and you're contemplating whether to bother receiving a return on Bailey Smith exiting the club, I guess.

 

[Johanpetro]

He would have to be delisted for that to happen. Given he has 33 goals on board, I doubt Owies is not going to be offered something at the end of Trade Week if no trade materialised.

Baker - they couldn't have used the threat of the PSD, because Richmond have a pick ahead of them. So do Norf, and I wouldn't put it beyond them to take Baker either.

I do think they have overpaid, but I get the logic. Just getting another Vic kid - or assumedly Bo Allan who may well want to wind up at Freo as his father was captain - is burning one more pick.

For Geelong it would be a horrible trade - but Geelong is different, because we never get top three picks, we don't suffer go-home factor, and we haven't been anchored on the bottom of the ladder for years. For West Coast, it's overs, but it makes some sense.

If you’ve listened to anything the blues have said the last couple of weeks the only way Owies was coming back was on “lowball” offer (lowball in Owies mind). They weren’t giving him a contract

Regarding the “go home factor”, North got Sheezel and Wardlaw by taking Horne Francis who wanted to go home. You take the best kid available and if he wants to leave you get value out of it.

Richmond taking Baker in the psd is never gonna happen.