Review Good/Bad/Ugly: Full Strength, STACKED Adelaide vs Essendon, R4 2022

[Coopers]

Another shithouse display from Schoenberg, how many more chances does he get?

Shoenberg gets several more I think.

While he's not been great, we would want to be pointing fingers at the other mids first.

 

[Jinglebells32]

Yet so many people on this board wanted Sloane "he is the heart and soul of the club", even before Tex was captain. When Sloane resigned most here were thrilled. Remember it was at a time when us supporters were feeling miserable and some were depressed. It was at a time the club needed to have a victory and Sloanes signature was that victory. I agree right now its feels like we gave him too long a contract but thats easy to say in hindsight.

I was against Sloane as captain right back when he and Dangerfield shared it. Tex was a much better leader. It's time to find the next one, but the whole leadership group are currently struggling. Keays probably wouldn't be the worst choice right now.

 

[Jetsteam]

Good: Again, our endeavour and persistence is first class. Brilliant, other than our sleepy first half against Fremantle, We really have been giving it a massive crack. Today was no different.

Bad: Selection. The real issue for me is that we were clearly too short going into this game under the roof of Marvel. I genuinely think this game was ripe to include Thilthorpe. Was this overlooked? I feel if Thilthorpe was included we would have potentially won more hitouts and at least stop being carved up out the centre. If this game was on any other ground, yes, having four talls is too many. But a super dry Marvel with no breeze played into Essendon's hands.

Ugly: The decision making, blazing away into the forward line and our skills kept killing us all day.

Hmmm did you forget about the Collingwood game. I have tried to as it was very bad.

 

[George Kramer]

You do realise pressure acts contribute to turnovers?

Jimmy needs to be kicking bags of goals because he's contributing buhger

You're the one deflecting, you want to bring Hamish into it when Neddy is playing the role the coaches have set for him, that's not Neddy's fault.

Like Murphy he should be getting midfield time when we need a change up, that's on the coaches.

You seriously suggesting his role doesn't include kicking goals? A talented player can do a checkside, he can snap a goal. Both efforts were kicked to someone in the crowd, miles from scoring a goal, both at crucial stages. That has nothing to do with the coaches and thats on him.

He works hard, puts on pressure, thats what he has to his game. Thats not a first round pick and thats why Hamish brought up, but you wont have a bad word said about him.

 

[rabidcrow]

R

Rubbish he's our small pressure forward and basically the only one that delivers in that regard. I.E. Neddy 22 pressure acts, Jimmy 5 pressure acts.

We still need a big upgrade in his position. Outside of effort is average at every measure.

Zero goal sense
Average ability to read the play, crumb packs
Average kick for accuracy, below average distance
Below average overhead mark
No evasive skills

He seemingly - outside of effort and a genuinely good team mate - has no defining attribute that got him on a list let alone games

He grew on me last year and I could see Nicks “putting others first” attributes with Ned and I suspect that will keep him in the team.
However he is not developing into a good small forward - 33 games, 13 goals 3 tackles a games and almost 2 frees against

Surely that’s not what we are aiming for through this development phase




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[rabidcrow]

You do realise pressure acts contribute to turnovers?

Jimmy needs to be kicking bags of goals because he's contributing bugger all else.

Jim keeps a goal a game , Ned 2 goals every 5 weeks. Jimmy gets a 2 tackles against Ned 3 but need also gives away frees at 4 times the rate as Jimmy.

Ned’s roles important just don’t think he is doing it nearly well enough


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[rabidcrow]

Another shithouse display from Schoenberg, how many more chances does he get?

Plenty. Was very good in the showdown, just needs to be left more in the middle


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[FR0GGY]

You do realise pressure acts contribute to turnovers?

Jimmy needs to be kicking bags of goals because he's contributing bugger all else.

His role changed a couple of weeks ago, don’t ask me how but it apparently did.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Another shithouse display from Schoenberg, how many more chances does he get?

I wouldn't drop Schoenberg in spite of his poor form. A move out of the centre for a game or two might allow him more freedom to find his form.

I agree he looks terrible just now. He fumbles, kicks poorly and panics. Sad to see as we all want him central in our development.

There are others to drop before Harry.

 

[Mutineer]

We still need a big upgrade in his position. Outside of effort is average at every measure.

Zero goal sense
Average ability to read the play, crumb packs
Average kick for accuracy, below average distance
Below average overhead mark
No evasive skills

He seemingly - outside of effort and a genuinely good team mate - has no defining attribute that got him on a list let alone games

He grew on me last year and I could see Nicks “putting others first” attributes with Ned and I suspect that will keep him in the team.
However he is not developing into a good small forward - 33 games, 13 goals 3 tackles a games and almost 2 frees against

Surely that’s not what we are aiming for through this development phase




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He got drafted off of playing mostly midfield/on ball as 2nd banana to Sam Walsh for the Geelong Falcons....

How much exposure to the midfield has he had for the Adelaide Crows?

Lachie Murphy got a shot as a train on player for our SANFL team off of a Northern Knights B & F in the then TAC Cup Comp playing exclusively midfield/on ball.

Yet very very limited exposure to midfield at either SANFL or AFL, in fact he got a rookie spot off of a stellar SANFL season playing as a small defender.

 

[BACCS]

Which is why they shouldn’t be afraid to drop a senior again.

Exactly, there is evidence to suggest that he can respond well from it too. A fit and firing Matt Crouch is a good addition to our midfield, the current version is not.

 

[BACCS]

I was against Sloane as captain right back when he and Dangerfield shared it. Tex was a much better leader. It's time to find the next one, but the whole leadership group are currently struggling. Keays probably wouldn't be the worst choice right now.

Isn't Keays in the leadership group? He's not struggling

 

[rocket18]

R

Rubbish he's our small pressure forward and basically the only one that delivers in that regard. I.E. Neddy 22 pressure acts, Jimmy 5 pressure acts.

Thats because he fumbles so much, the opposition gathers then he is right there to apply the pressure - very cunning.

He's kicked 2 goals in 4 games, which is actually good for him as its above his career average of 0.4 goals per game.

He's not a forwards areshole, by all means try him as a midfielder - if that is why we recruited him, if we recruited him as a small forward that is a massive fail by our recruitment team.

Small forwards need goal sense, Ned is lucky if he can remember which way we are kicking let alone where the goals are.

 

[Mutineer]

Why did we drop the plan for Murphy to get a run on the ball this week - he was great the week before? We seem to have done the same with Rachele too - or did he get some CBAs I missed?

Does having Sloane in the team mean that he takes ALL of those outliers for himself?

You'd have to ask the coaches but we seem to want to change quite a few players roles from what they were actually drafted as.

 

[rocket18]

He got drafted off of playing mostly midfield/on ball as 2nd banana to Sam Walsh for the Geelong Falcons....

How much exposure to the midfield has he had for the Adelaide Crows?

Lachie Murphy got a shot as a train on player for our SANFL team off of a Northern Knights B & F in the then TAC Cup Comp playing exclusively midfield/on ball.

Yet very very limited exposure to midfield at either SANFL or AFL, in fact he got a rookie spot off of a stellar SANFL season playing as a small defender.

Thats interesting about Murph, another one that should not be playing in the forward line.

Give him Browns role and/or midfield minutes and get a proper small forward in.

Nicks seems intent to put players in positions that they're not suited for, another red flag about Nicks coaching (if we needed anymore)

 

[maxlilly]

You do realise pressure acts contribute to turnovers?

Jimmy needs to be kicking bags of goals because he's contributing buhger

You're the one deflecting, you want to bring Hamish into it when Neddy is playing the role the coaches have set for him, that's not Neddy's fault.

Like Murphy he should be getting midfield time when we need a change up, that's on the coaches.

Out of curiosity, you wouldn't also have Murphy's pressure acts too ?

 

[Mutineer]

Out of curiosity, you wouldn't also have Murphy's pressure acts too ?

The stats are all available on the AFL app for every player, every game including CBA's attended, goal assists, score involvements, pressure acts...the whole kit and caboodle.

 

[Mutineer]

Isn't Keays in the leadership group? He's not struggling

Indeed he is.

 

[davos44]

Yes we never gave up davos44... that is one great trait we have built.

We should print some shirts with "We Never Ever Give Up" on them. Would suit us.

 

[rocket18]

Huh?

Neddy played midfield/on ball mostly for the Geelong Falcons in his draft year and played midfield/forward for Vic Country at the Championships in his draft year (9.5 tackles a game a Championships high).

In his unnder-age year for the Geelong Falcons he played forward/midfield and at the Championships that year played 2 games mostly as a small forward.

At the very least he was drafted as midfielder/forward.

Well thats good we drafted him as a midfielder because using a first round pick on a small forward with his forward craft would've been a disaster.

I'm all for giving him a go as midfielder but this forward "experiment" needs to come to an end.

So once again it comes back to Nicks who is welded to the Fantastic Four being our prime midfielders for the next 30 games - woohoo

 

[Bearded Clam]

He got drafted off of playing mostly midfield/on ball as 2nd banana to Sam Walsh for the Geelong Falcons....

How much exposure to the midfield has he had for the Adelaide Crows?

Lachie Murphy got a shot as a train on player for our SANFL team off of a Northern Knights B & F in the then TAC Cup Comp playing exclusively midfield/on ball.

Yet very very limited exposure to midfield at either SANFL or AFL, in fact he got a rookie spot off of a stellar SANFL season playing as a small defender.

And yet you keep defending sloane/laird/keays/crouch and their midfield minutes/cb attendances..

Ned, murph and a whole array of others need to be played in the positions they excelled at when/before we drafted them.. but we dont because they arent as experienced as the “stacked” midfield..

 

[rocket18]

Yet so many people on this board wanted Sloane "he is the heart and soul of the club", even before Tex was captain. When Sloane resigned most here were thrilled. Remember it was at a time when us supporters were feeling miserable and some were depressed. It was at a time the club needed to have a victory and Sloanes signature was that victory. I agree right now its feels like we gave him too long a contract but thats easy to say in hindsight.

Thats not how I remember it.

I thought it was just the usual club apologists that were thrilled, most of us were dismayed with the length of the contract.

I cant believe the number of people on here who are pissed off at how we played. Be upset that we lost but hell I thought we played a good. We never game up, yes we made same errors but our disposal efficiency was around 72% which was as good as Brisbane's and the tackling pressure from Essendon was fierce....as was ours. I hate losing but our team played an exciting game today. The major plus's for me were:

Walker's return

Dawsons performance. He has been a major addition to the team. Listening to the commentators talking highly about one of players is refreshing.

Rachele is the other major inclusion. I liked what saw of Rachele in the 2nd half when it looked like he was playing further back towards the centre/wing. Whatever happened to our first round picks in 2016, 2017, 2019. Why didnt we get at least one player like Rachele in each of those drafts. At least we got something in 2018 with Ned and Jones but nothing like Rachele.

Gollant: I think he is going to be a major part of our future. He can take a mark which is something we have been missing. With another year and a bit more muscle he will be a permanent member of the team.

Keayes & Laird both played their hearts out

Butts gets the tough job every game. I see him has a big plus for us. Needs a bit more weight and muscle. He not as stocky as Rutten but I see him as our next Rutten.

Cook only had the last quarter but he had an impact and with more games he looks like he could develop into a dependable player.

I think there are some real positives. We won last week against a top four contender, we lost to Freo by one point and they are currently in the top four, We got our backs kicked by Collingwood and today we lost by 4 points. It isn't all bad...could be better but we aren't looking like fools.

Most are pissed off with a few dumb acts/mistakes but overall our endeavour and pressure couldn't be questioned.

Once again we lost the game on Thursday night, Nicks tying one hand behind a rebuilding teams back is disgraceful - he should be optimising our chances, not reducing them with his cockamamie selections.

 

[DJ75]

You'd have to ask the coaches but we seem to want to change quite a few players roles from what they were actually drafted as.

It must drive Haggis mental.

Haggis: Hey guys, I've picked out this kid. He's got some elite midfield ability. I think he could become a real difference maker.

Coaches: That's awesome! Let's see if he can play forward pocket.
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3 years later

Coaches: Yeh that kids not much of a forward. Probably needs to be delisted.

 

[rocket18]

Here's Draft Central's Geelong Falcons preview of both Neddy and Sam Walsh leading into their draft year where they both played midfield ably assisted by under-ager Cooper Stephens.

Edward McHenry (Geelong Falcons) 176cm | 67kg | Outside Midfielder
2017 TAC Cup: (11) 21.7 disposals | 4.1 marks | 4.1 tackles | 1.9 clearances | 3.9 inside 50s | 60% KE | 72% DE | 31% CP

The classy outside midfielder McHenry is a smaller size and a light frame, but he moves well and is a great kick of the football. He spreads across the ground and lays his fair share of tackles, so expect him to up his numbers across the board in 2018 with a great role in the middle next year.

Sam Walsh (Geelong Falcons) 182cm | 68kg | Outside Midfielder
2017 TAC Cup: (13) 29.2 disposals | 4.5 marks | 4.5 tackles | 3.7 clearances | 4.8 inside 50s | 2.5 rebounds | 55% KE | 63% DE | 37% CP

One of the top prospects for 2018, Walsh is a complete midfielder who just ticks nearly every box. He can win it inside or out – played primarily outside in 2017 due to Worpel and Parish’s influence – can go forward and impact, or run off half-back. He wins clearances, pumps the ball forward and does all the defensive work. It is hard to fault his game and right now he’s a top five pick, certainly top 10.

That is interesting, one club plays the guy in his proper position and gets good results.

The other club shoe horns the guy in a position he struggles with cos the midfield is so stacked.

Bloody hell how many mids have we got waiting to have a crack in the MIDFIELD.

This is really pissing me off now, NICKS IS A CLUELESS MUPPET who is doing more harm than good.

 

[Bearded Clam]

That is interesting, one club plays the guy in his proper position and gets good results.

The other club shoe horns the guy in a position he struggles with cos the midfield is so stacked.

Bloody hell how many mids have we got waiting to have a crack in the MIDFIELD.

This is really pissing me off now, NICKS IS A CLUELESS MUPPET who is doing more harm than good.

Is it Nicksy making the decisions or is it the one constant that we’ve had at the club in the past few years since this “older guys over younger guys” selection/game strategy policy seems to have been the go to..

That one constant being Roo..

The bloke who, when providing special commenting on a game, when sloane/laird/keays are all in at the CB says “all the guns are in there for this one”..

This “lets play the most experienced regardless of form” policy at the club has been around longer than Nicksy…