Review Good/Bad/Ugly v Melbourne, R15 2016

[Samcro24]

Hilarious stuff any particular reason we can't play all of Betts, Cameron and Milera?

Too skilled? Too fast? Too good? Any you stick by this awful reasoning?

Couldn't help but think of this thread listening to ross Lyon on the couch tonight. Said he was looking forward to playing Bennel, Ballantyne and Walters in the same side. Pretty similar mix to our 3 in question here.

 

[Bicks]

Round 15 votes are in: http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-07-04/rory-rockets-to-the-top

10 – Rory Laird (Adel)
7 – Jack Watts (Melb)
4 – Charlie Cameron (Adel)
4 – Taylor Walker (Adel)
3 – Rory Sloane (Adel)
2 – Nathan Jones (Adel)

I put the breakdown of votes in the 2016 AFLC Player of the year thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-the-year-voting.1132454/page-2#post-45372317

Nathan Jones is a surprise, hardly hit a target all day 48%DE, for mine Dom Tyson was better by far.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I'm watching this second quarter again, apart from our terrible skill errors there have been half a dozen blatant holding/dropping the ball not paid against Melbourne, despite Cheney and Brad crouch having been done for exactly the same thing.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Also, Mackay completely useless. Mr fumbles. He and Jenkins must have greased up their hands before the game.

 

[bad man boxing]

Just watched the replay. Thought our 1st quarter was really good. Melbourne came to play (they have improved significantly) and we still looked like a much better team. 2nd quarter wasn't as bad so what it seemed when I was reading this board on game day. Melbourne came out guns blazing and we were just caught napping (combined with some lazy kicks, which were happening all game). Not ideal but wasn't like we looked horrible.

It's the first I've seen of Melbourne this year apart from their woeful port game. Pretty impressed. They've got the makings of a good football side and I feel like I haven't been able to say that since I've been alive. Petracca will be absolutely dominant. Viney is a gun. Hunt looks quality. Stretch looks good. Then they've got brayshaw and Oliver who will be A grade. Watts has turned into a good footballer. Hogan, Garlett, Tom McDonald (one of the best kpds in the game). Their tall defenders are quick and their ruckman is up their with the best in the game.

Good:

Tackling was first rate for 3 quarters. Probably the best I've seen from the crows since I can remember. Technique and pressure was immense. Brad Crouch is a very good tackler. His tackles would hurt and they're effective. Should have had 2 more htb frees paid to him.

Cameron. Was close to being bog imo. A lot of people focusing on his bad kicks but he also had a lot of good ones and was x factor for us over 4 quarters and pressures like a demon. He's not a bad kick. He often kicks at full speed because he is burning off players. He'll improve in this area.

Matt crouch was our best in the first half. Didn't see him much around the ground after that? Being managed? Turning into a good all round midfielder at such a young age.

Walker was pretty good overall

Laird important

Didn't think our talls were as bad as most here were saying. Didn't really get beaten and goals kicked weren't really a result of being out played 1 on 1. Lever the only exception.

Sloane okay.

Lynch quite good.

Lyons serviceable.

Atkins was quality over quantity.

Brad crouch is definitely improving, which is great to see. Has taken longer than we hoped but it is slowly happening. It's like the game changed a lot in the time he was out and he just hasn't adjusted. Still looks very rushed at times. Getting more uncontested ball now.

McGovern great hands again. Liked the coaches throwing him around the footy as well. Has great intensity. They've got a lot of confidence in him.

Bad :

Lever and Jenkins.

Mackay had yet another nothing game. I really look don't see his value most of the time. Has the odd okay game but is then invisible.

Bit stiff on the kid Lever I'm sure he knows he had a poor game but count on him to bounce back. He did suffer 2 injuries in the game and from my resources he still feeling the pain. He is only 20 champ give him some love.

 

[Golumless]

Alrighty, finally watched the replay:

Good:
A semi surprising call this, but McGovern was just about BOG for us. Impacted the contest well and played a hand in many of our goals.
Cameron had a nearly game, just needs to compose himself. Nails the 2-3 moments he created and he goes from a good game to an amazing one.
Tex was influential, bar a couple of brain fades.
Sloane was, well, what i expect from Sloane.
Laird had a fantastic game and was BOG.
Atkins was quite damaging bar 1 kick.
Matt Crouch continued on with his fine season.
Douglas had a fine game.
Brad Crouch played probably his best game of the season.
Our tackling intensity for 3 quarters.
The fact we are looking to physically hurt the opposition was something i was impressed with.

Bad:
Betts kicked three goals, but had his colours lowered with everything else. Sums up the quality of Eddie at least.
Jenkins was the same, two goals but just wasn't working today.
Cheney had an appalling first half.
Thompson felt quiet.

Ugly:
Lever had his worst game of his career. Ah well, rather it against Melbourne then a Geelong/Hawthorn.
We had our defensive set up all wrong. Talia should never have matched up against Dawes, Hartigan should of never had Hogan and i think Laird was matched up against Gartlett. A big reason i feel that the second quarter got as out of hand as it did.
I mean seriously, you could let Dawes be a spare in the forward line and he'll do more good for the opposition than Melbourne!
Defensively there was also no cohesion. We were spoiling each other instead of backing teammates to take the mark, and were just a mess. Thankfully this is the one step back to the two steps forward we've taken in this area in the last month; hopefully rectified against Carlton.

All in all, we got the job done. Move on to next week.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Bit stiff on the kid Lever I'm sure he knows he had a poor game but count on him to bounce back. He did suffer 2 injuries in the game and from my resources he still feeling the pain. He is only 20 champ give him some love.

Nobody here will hold it against him, don't worry. We all LOVE Jake.

But he flat out sucked on the weekend.

Doesn't matter, we got the win and he got a stinker out of his system without hurting us. He's a gun and we all know it.

 

[JohnnyD]

His full pace field kicking is fine. Just the goal kicking which is sporadic.

Agree...his kick at full pace to Sloane's advantage was spot on...gave Sloane time to pin point a pass to Eddie which, even though he didn't mark, was able to bring to ground and then run away from his opponent...

 

[StonesThrow]

Bit stiff on the kid Lever I'm sure he knows he had a poor game but count on him to bounce back. He did suffer 2 injuries in the game and from my resources he still feeling the pain. He is only 20 champ give him some love.

Sorry Mr Lever.

 

[StonesThrow]

I've been defending thommo all year as he was one of our best for the first 5 rounds, but I haven't seen anything since that suggests he should go around again next year. It looks to me as if the opposition are targeting him by playing someone close by at stoppages. Whenever he gathers the ball, he's got someone right on his hammer and he no longer has any pace to get any space at all. At the start of the year he was getting space at stoppages and was a clearance machine. This is no longer happening and it is really showing his age.

I love ya thommo but I hope he is thinking about the greater good for the AFC.

 

[Crow_Magnon]

Hilarious stuff any particular reason we can't play all of Betts, Cameron and Milera?

Too skilled? Too fast? Too good? Any you stick by this awful reasoning?

Not so sure there isn't some merit to this. My gut feeling watching us closely this year is that come finals time many of the cheap over the back goals that the likes of Eddie and JJ mop up will dry up to some extent. Not to mention Eddie has struggled in finals to date when closely checked (e.g. Stratton). It reminds me of Modra in some ways, it may have been a blessing in disguise that he was injured in 97. Not that I think Milera looks ready to step up into a finals cauldron. I also acknowledge that we may still be able to crack open sides with our slingshot football in finals, but I just don't think it'll happen as regularly as it has during the minor round. That said, one of the most pleasing aspects of Pyke's coaching is the use of both Charlie and Eddie off the back of the square - when it works it's damn hard to stop and great to watch.

 

[Bovo]

I'm watching this second quarter again, apart from our terrible skill errors there have been half a dozen blatant holding/dropping the ball not paid against Melbourne, despite Cheney and Brad crouch having been done for exactly the same thing.

Definitely frustrating. That being said....our skills in that quarter (perhaps even the game) were off. I am telling you, the lack of games and days we had off is a momentum killer. Thank goodness we were up against a lower ranked team for this one.

 

[Bovo]

Also, Mackay completely useless. Mr fumbles. He and Jenkins must have greased up their hands before the game.

Yup, Mackays worst game for the year. Needs to lift!!

 

[Glenno23]

Definitely frustrating. That being said....our skills in that quarter (perhaps even the game) were off. I am telling you, the lack of games and days we had off is a momentum killer. Thank goodness we were up against a lower ranked team for this one.

Thankfully there is no bye as we head into finals..... oh wait

What dick head thought that a bye after round 23 was a good idea? Morons trying to fix issues due to 1 coaching resting players!

The team who makes top 4 and wins their QF will have played 2 games of footy in a month heading into a PF..... idiots

 

[Bovo]

Thankfully there is no bye as we head into finals..... oh wait

What dick head thought that a bye after round 23 was a good idea? Morons trying to fix issues due to 1 coaching resting players!

The team who makes top 4 and wins their QF will have played 2 games of footy in a month heading into a PF..... idiots

They should have just punished the teams (Kangas and Freo) for putting the game into disrepute instead of the entire game.

But.....if you win the QF and go straight to PF you'd expect the clubs to simulate game practice throughout that week.

Problem with the AFL is they are too reactive about fixing a problem. There is no way a team can afford to rest players in the last round this year. Surely they need to look at the bigger picture.

 

[OzSparrow]

Round 15 votes are in: http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-07-04/rory-rockets-to-the-top

10 – Rory Laird (Adel)
7 – Jack Watts (Melb)
4 – Charlie Cameron (Adel)
4 – Taylor Walker (Adel)
3 – Rory Sloane (Adel)
2 – Nathan Jones (Adel)

I put the breakdown of votes in the 2016 AFLC Player of the year thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-the-year-voting.1132454/page-2#post-45372317

Jack "Spud" Watts!!!....damn we have a habit of making very ordinary footballers look good.

 

[Scorpus]

Jack "Spud" Watts!!!....damn we have a habit of making very ordinary footballers look good.

Jack Watts has been good this season. Career best year.

 

[OzSparrow]

Jack Watts has been good this season. Career best year.

Only taken him 6 years and over 100 games of crap footy.

To think he was picked ahead of Nic Nat....god Melbourne are crap recruiters.

 

[StonesThrow]

Only taken him 6 years and over 100 games of crap footy.

To think he was picked ahead of Nic Nat....god Melbourne are crap recruiters.

I rate him. Clever footballer and rarely wastes a disposal. I'm actually happy for him considering the abuse he's copped.

 

[Golumless]

Only taken him 6 years and over 100 games of crap footy.

To think he was picked ahead of Nic Nat....god Melbourne are crap recruiters.

Crap developers more so.

Watts probably would have been a star if he had been drafted by most clubs.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Crap developers more so.

Watts probably would have been a star if he had been drafted by most clubs.

Yep. He is not a KPP despite his size. Perfect for the Tom Lynch / Nick Riewoldt role.

 

[fabs33]

Not so sure there isn't some merit to this. My gut feeling watching us closely this year is that come finals time many of the cheap over the back goals that the likes of Eddie and JJ mop up will dry up to some extent. Not to mention Eddie has struggled in finals to date when closely checked (e.g. Stratton).

Eddie also kicked five goals in the final against the defensive minded dogs. There's nothing in his finals record in terms of goals scored that is out of character for him. He sometimes has good games and sometimes bad, quite normal for any forward let alone a small forward. If I'm not mistaken he's kicked a total of nine goals from four finals appearances, that's an average of 2.25 goals per game, not a bad average considering it's against top eight opposition and certainly no indication that his output drops in finals.

 

[1970crow]

Yup, Mackays worst game for the year. Needs to lift!!

It wasn't, he's had about 3 worse than that.

 

[fabs33]

I rate him. Clever footballer and rarely wastes a disposal. I'm actually happy for him considering the abuse he's copped.

Melbourne had a habit of parading their high draft picks as if they were some kind of saviour, as if these players were meant to undo the self inflicted damage the club did to it's sense of competitiveness through years of tanking. That's a lot to expect from eighteen year olds.

 

[1970crow]

I've been defending thommo all year as he was one of our best for the first 5 rounds, but I haven't seen anything since that suggests he should go around again next year. It looks to me as if the opposition are targeting him by playing someone close by at stoppages. Whenever he gathers the ball, he's got someone right on his hammer and he no longer has any pace to get any space at all. At the start of the year he was getting space at stoppages and was a clearance machine. This is no longer happening and it is really showing his age.

I love ya thommo but I hope he is thinking about the greater good for the AFC.

When you watch closely, you'll see that even early in the year Thommo struggles to get the ball from a stoppage to a player in a better position. The main difference is that his numbers were much better, but he wasn't doing anything more with the ball. He hasn't taken on the tackler or used leg power to find space for at least the last season and a half. It's only now his numbers are low that people are paying attention. A few actually manufacture other roles to explain it. But the old warhorse is feeling its age and years of battering.