Yeah I’m not sure, he definitely says advantage though.Doesn’t really make sense as can’t call advantage from a mark
It should have been 50m penalty or play on
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Yeah I’m not sure, he definitely says advantage though.Doesn’t really make sense as can’t call advantage from a mark
It should have been 50m penalty or play on
I'll stop posting about a quirky thing that happened in a game that happened three days ago when you stop posting draft profiles to support your pre-conceived notions about players who have been in the system long enough to hit free agency.How many more pages of shoulda coulda woulda?
Grom's video post shows conclusively what happened, there is no conjecture as much as people want to think there is. It's crystal clear on Grom's footage.I'll stop posting about a quirky thing that happened in a game that happened three days ago when you stop posting draft profiles to support your pre-conceived notions about players who have been in the system long enough to hit free agency.
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To be fair I posted pretty much on the first page the short clip.Grom's video post shows conclusively what happened, there is no conjecture as much as people want to think there is. It's crystal clear on Grom's footage.
Back with a bang!I'll stop posting about a quirky thing that happened in a game that happened three days ago when you stop posting draft profiles to support your pre-conceived notions about players who have been in the system long enough to hit free agency.
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Yep - incorrect call by ump , must have been confusedYeah I’m not sure, he definitely says advantage though.
This Pedlar/Keays goal piqued my interest on the weekend. There's a few different things at play that have been conflated a little in this discussion - 1. Pedlar's decision making, 2. The correct umpiring decision, 3. The actual umpiring decision.
First, whether Pedlar actually played on or not, it's clear that he intended to. That's a bad idea when you mark the ball one metre out, in the goal square. Just ask Nick Riewoldt. Go back and take the set shot Luke.
I should say good presence of mind by Keays to just kick the goal in case.
Second, what should the umpire have done? I reckon it's arguable whether or not Pedlar actually played on. He clearly was about to. But did he actually step past the mark beyond slowing his own momentum? Or go off his line? Or dispose of the ball? I think probably not, but it's arguable.
If he played on, then the ball spilled free. He wasn't tackled, so it's not holding the ball, it's just play on. Keays picks it up and goals and the right result happened.
If he didn't play on, then either Battle's contact is enough to justify a 50m penalty, or it's not. The only difference between those two options is whether the man on the mark ends up on the goal line or one metre out from it. Either way, it's Pedlar's kick. There can be no play on to advantage and Keays should not have been allowed to kick the goal.
The only way that the umpire's decision is right is if Pedlar played on.
Third, what did the umpire do? I haven't seen any footage that shows the arm signal to play on or audio of an umpire calling play on. On the reverse angle replay, it looks like the umpire is signalling a 50m penalty by making something similar to a signal for a 4 in cricket. Although there doesn't seem to be a particularly accepted signal for a 50m penalty.
If that's what he did, then it was clearly wrong to give the all clear for Keays to kick the goal. It should have been Pedlar's kick from the goal line.
It's all ultimately academic, but you'd hope the umpire's review picks up on this because next time it might matter. Edit: and there's a reasonable argument it might have cost Pedlar a Rising Star nom - 17 touches and 3 goals is harder to overlook than 16 and 2.
That’s it, I don’t know why this is even a debateI'd say it's the same as the Lachie Sholl one in the Showdown. Whether he played on or not is irrelevant, you gotta play to the whistle and if the ump hasn't called it then you've given away a 50m penalty by interfering.
He was pushed before it left his hands but the footage backs up the argument he intended to kick imo. Watch it closely frame by frame. In motion it looks like it happens at the same time but if you slow it down you can see his foot leave the ground and start to rotate into a kicking position just before Battle pushes his arm.He was pushed before the ball even leaves his hands (even if you believe he was going to kick it)
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It’s exactly as I said, he doesn’t take a step and hasn’t played on.
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It doesn’t really matter you can’t take it upon yourself to decide what a player is doing when they haven’t played on nor has the umpire called play on.He was pushed before it left his hands but the footage backs up the argument he intended to kick imo. Watch it closely frame by frame. In motion it looks like it happens at the same time but if you slow it down you can see his foot leave the ground and start to rotate into a kicking position just before Battle pushes his arm.
The umpire messed it up. If he hadn't called play on then its either a 50m penalty or they let it slide and he goes back and takes the kick. I was referring to the bit where you say "even if you believe he was going to kick it". It's clear in the footage. The position of his foot and the footy getting dislodged because he was about to drop it on his boot when Battle pushes his arm. I just can't fathom how anybody can watch this and not think he was about to kick.It doesn’t really matter you can’t take it upon yourself to decide what a player is doing when they haven’t played on nor has the umpire called play on.
It’s not a definite though, you can pull back from a kick.The umpire messed it up. If he hadn't called play on then its either a 50m penalty or they let it slide and he goes back and takes the kick. I was referring to the bit where you say "even if you believe he was going to kick it". It's clear in the footage. The position of his foot and the footy getting dislodged because he was about to drop it on his boot when Battle pushes his arm. I just can't fathom how anybody can watch this and not think he was about to kick.
There are so many give aways though. I mentioned his foot rotating but also compare the position of his hands from when he marked it to when Battle pushes his arm. If he didn't have a poor grip on the footy on account of being about to drop it on his boot, I doubt it gets dislodged in the first place as there wasn't much force in what Battle did.It’s not a definite though, you can pull back from a kick.
Looks like he’s about to handball.There are so many give aways though. I mentioned his foot rotating but also compare the position of his hands from when he marked it to when Battle pushes his arm. If he didn't have a poor grip on the footy on account of being about to drop it on his boot, I doubt it gets dislodged in the first place as there wasn't much force in what Battle did.
He was trying to kick, rather than take a step - but the left foot had definitely left the ground, with the clear intention of playing on.
I think it's ambiguous at best. Consider that Luke's a left footer and in Froggy's posted video, there are two motions with his left foot (1) he takes a step back just before Saints player makes contact and (2) moves it forward after Saints player contact.... It's clear in the footage. The position of his foot and the footy getting dislodged because he was about to drop it on his boot when Battle pushes his arm. I just can't fathom how anybody can watch this and not think he was about to kick.
that's what I thought the call wasOr he played on
I think your gif is pretty misleading as far as the contact with Battle goes. The dude barely touches him. It wouldn't have had any impact at all had it not been for Pedlar starting his ball drop right at the moment he makes contact. In your gif Pedlar leaning over to pick up the footy also looks like it's a part of the contact with Battle. I'm not sure why it looks this way tbh. For some reason it has this effect of making Pedlar look like he's being propelled forward by the contact when he really isn't. (also doesn't help that Keays is in the way)I think it's ambiguous at best. Consider that Luke's a left footer and in Froggy's posted video, there are two motions with his left foot (1) he takes a step back just before Saints player makes contact and (2) moves it forward after Saints player contact.
The initial first step is quite a large step and he puts his weight on it. If he was going to kick right away, I don't think he would have taken such a large step, he would have kept his weight on his right foot so he can pull his left foot back a bit and then kick forward.
The second motion of his left foot is just as likely to be due to the Saints player knocking him forward so he has to swing his left foot forward to keep his balance - can see this better in the gif I posted.
Which is the whole point.I think your gif is pretty misleading as far as the contact with Battle goes. The dude barely touches him. It wouldn't have had any impact at all had it not been for Pedlar starting his ball drop right after the moment he makes contact. In your gif Pedlar leaning over to pick up the footy also looks like it's a part of the contact with Battle. I'm not sure why it looks this way tbh. For some reason it has this effect of making Pedlar look like he's being propelled forward by the contact when he really isn't. (also doesn't help that Keays is in the way)
I know. Im not that interested in the umpiring part of this though. We got the goal. If it had been a rushed behind, I'd be more annoyed.Which is the whole point.
You can’t do that.
It wasn’t 50 intentional but you can’t interfere until play on.
Think the Battle contact had an impactI think your gif is pretty misleading as far as the contact with Battle goes. The dude barely touches him. It wouldn't have had any impact at all had it not been for Pedlar starting his ball drop right at the moment he makes contact. In your gif Pedlar leaning over to pick up the footy also looks like it's a part of the contact with Battle. I'm not sure why it looks this way tbh. For some reason it has this effect of making Pedlar look like he's being propelled forward by the contact when he really isn't. (also doesn't help that Keays is in the way)