Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Worm4]

Because we didn't lose for 9 weeks with 15 injuries and didn't carry on like the world was ending. Brissy has ACLs everywhere and won the flag. Stop with the victim mentality of injuries when you're going shithouse. Its sad. Injuries are gun e hurt more when you're depth is terrible







This will end well.

Just reference what I consider an incorrect opinion. Don't get all gungho over it. Fact is , Nick goes down , Collingwood are stuffed and most people know it. Cripps goes down and everyone thinks we become Richmond like. It's hilarious how people are talking up injuries to star players - sad actually.

 

[Worm4]

Do the same on Collingwood threads then. **** me the hypocrisy of you fogs is breathtaking

It's a Carlton thread. We know the main 3 amigos and their anti Carlton agenda just love flooding these threads with the same BS . It's all in the banter thread perhaps keep your opinions over there and keep this one a little bit serious for a change

 

[Fadge]

Just reference what I consider an incorrect opinion. Don't get all gungho over it. Fact is , Nick goes down , Collingwood are stuffed and most people know it. Cripps goes down and everyone thinks we become Richmond like. It's hilarious how people are talking up injuries to star players - sad actually.

But Carlton did.

How did Carlton go without Tom De Koning for the last few games of the season?

A player who many would rate as Carlton's 6th best player.

 

[Fadge]

It's a Carlton thread. We know the main 3 amigos and their anti Carlton agenda just love flooding these threads with the same BS . It's all in the banter thread perhaps keep your opinions over there and keep this one a little bit serious for a change

Why don't you answer the question as opposed to playing the poster.

You said Cripps had one of the best individual seasons ever, and I refuted it.

Back up your claim - where does Cripps' 2024 sit amongst the all timers?

Because I didn't even have him as the best player in 2024 - that honor goes to Heeney, with Cripps on the second line with Neale (who jumped from 5th to equal 2nd courtesy of his finals efforts) - let alone one of the greatest seasons of all time...

 

[Fadge]

Essendon couldn't beat Carlton though mate, now you're just talking rubbish.

They wouldn't have needed to, in the same way as Carlton finished above Collingwood, despite losing two games to them, courtesy of the North/Richmond double ups.

 

[Fadge]

Take your anti Carlton behaviour where the sun don't shine, amigo.

It is the Main Board, right?

 

[Fadge]

Because we didn't lose for 9 weeks with 15 injuries and didn't carry on like the world was ending. Brissy has ACLs everywhere and won the flag. Stop with the victim mentality of injuries when you're going shithouse. Its sad. Injuries are guna hurt more when you're depth is terrible







This will end well.

I like the way they honestly think the only reason they're not consistently contending for flags is because of their unprecedented injury misfortunes each year.

Because whilst they truly believe that, they'll continue to deliver the same results as they have in recent times.

 

[Worm4]

It is the Main Board, right?

You've expressed the same opinion on every single thread relating to my club. Everyone knows your opinion. Do you get off or something expressing the same stuff over and over and over again ? Glad you get your little giggles and your amigo mates still sitting in Mexico doing a circle jerk over Carlton in an elimination final . It's quite boring.

 

[Fadge]

You've expressed the same opinion on every single thread relating to my club. Everyone knows your opinion. Do you get off or something expressing the same stuff over and over and over again ? Glad you get your little giggles and your amigo mates still sitting in Mexico doing a circle jerk over Carlton in an elimination final . It's quite boring.

If you don't want to hear from neutrals commenting about Carlton, in a thread specific to Carlton on the Main Board, I suggest you stick to the Carlton Board.

 

[Worm4]

If you don't want to hear from neutrals commenting about Carlton, in a thread specific to Carlton on the Main Board, I suggest you stick to the Carlton Board.

You're not neutral

 

[Robertio]

They wouldn't have needed to, in the same way as Carlton finished above Collingwood, despite losing two games to them, courtesy of the North/Richmond double ups.

Don't you love it?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If you don't want to hear from neutrals commenting about Carlton, in a thread specific to Carlton on the Main Board, I suggest you stick to the Carlton Board.

You are so far from a neutral poster it's laughable.

If you're going to try turn every thread into a d*** measuring contest between Pies and Blues just stick to the banter thread mate.

Most Carlton posters are happy to converse and disagree with other posters from other clubs with some level of respect, just not with you as you're a troll who belongs on the bay.

 

[HeathySure]

I hope the blues supporters were all over Cattoggio in race 8 at Flemington today. Its about the best thing thats happened to them in 25 years

 

[JustaBattler]

But Carlton did.

How did Carlton go without Tom De Koning for the last few games of the season?

A player who many would rate as Carlton's 6th best player.

not only do you have the world's most accurate abacus but now you seem to have acquired teh ability to speak for the 'many' - aren't they lucky!

 

[adammania9]

Refer to collingwoods brownlow team tally for 2024, and then tell me again, how no team relies on an individual more than Carlton does.

Collingwood are a very well coached side that does not rely on individuals to carry the team. Collingwood won three of their last four games played without Nick Daicos, including a final.

 

[beerbandit]

You’re literally making my argument for me.

I’ve not made any claim regarding the quality of the player we’ll pick at 3.

Because as you said, he could be great, he could be crap. Only time will tell.

Meanwhile, Beer Bandit over here is certain pick 3 won’t have an immediate impact.

And can’t elaborate on as to why.

Well…we know why. It’s because Carlton.



So let me get this straight.

You’re certain pick 3 won’t do much in year 1, and your entire reasoning is because some draft picks are good and some are bad.

Meanwhile you still seem to think I’m claiming whoever we pick at 3 will make an immediate impact. Despite, of course, me not saying anything to that effect.

Yeah, maybe it’s time to sit this one out. You seem a bit all over the shop.

What are you on about? I think it’s time for you to sit it out my friend.

It’s an opinion thread.

I thought as a “mod” you’d understand this, you seem to be getting so worked up about my opinion that it’s becoming hilarious.

I won’t back down from saying that pick 3 won’t make you better next year, I’ll even use Fadge probability calculator if I have too.
Pick 3 will most likely prove beneficial for the future but to think that an unknown pick will make you better next year is ludicrous. It’s the AFL, these blokes are seasoned footballers, it’s not like it used to be.

You’ve got a bee in your bonnet, you came at me, I didn’t come at you.

Pull your head in, gee whiz you wouldn’t have too many mates if you jump down there throats like this for having an opinion.

Chill out bud.

P.S - Still waiting on the evidence that a pick 3 immediately makes that side better the following year.

Take pick 3 out, you’ve gone backwards with your trading.

Clubs flying past.

 

[Jeremias]

P.S - Still waiting on the evidence that a pick 3 immediately makes that side better the following year.

You'll be waiting a long while, because I never said it would. And I've clarified that a number of times yet somehow, hilariously, it still doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Meanwhile, your stance seems to be that there's no chance it will. And your evidence is...because Carlton. And because some draft picks don't work out.

Nice.

Opinions are great but when you talk in absolutes with no real basis for doing so, don't get upset when you're called out for it.

 

[beerbandit]

You'll be waiting a long while, because I never said it would. And I've clarified that a number of times yet somehow, hilariously, it still doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Meanwhile, your stance seems to be that there's no chance it will. And your evidence is...because Carlton. And because some draft picks don't work out.

Nice.

Opinions are great but when you talk in absolutes with no real basis for doing so, don't get upset when you're called out for it.

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing buddy.

Get over it.

More then 65% agree with me.

Go cry in the corner and don’t spoil the thread by getting your back up at peoples opinions.

And don’t go slagging me off to other posters.

Do better mate.

 

[Jeremias]

More then 65% agree with me.

Lol, what?

The poll question is not asking whether pick 3 will have an immediate impact.

Comprehension failure, or simply being obtuse for the sake of it?

Go cry in the corner and don’t spoil the thread by getting your back up at peoples opinions.

I'm not 'getting my back up' about anything. You are free to hold any opinion you want.

I'm simply asking you to expand on something. And you're clearly not able to do it, and that's OK too. Everyone has their limits.

If you want to continue on thinking that Daicos and Reid are the only two players in recent seasons to have had an immediate impact at AFL level, and that is what you've said, then all power to you.

You're horribly wrong, but being right isn't for everyone I guess. Especially those not willing or able to look at things objectively.

 

[beerbandit]

Lol, what?

The poll question is not asking whether pick 3 will have an immediate impact.

Comprehension failure, or simply being obtuse for the sake of it?



I'm not 'getting my back up' about anything. You are free to hold any opinion you want.

I'm simply asking you to expand on something. And you're clearly not able to do it, and that's OK too. Everyone has their limits.

If you want to continue on thinking that Daicos and Sheezel are the only two players in recent seasons to have had an immediate impact at AFL level, and that is what you've said, then all power to you.

You're horribly wrong, but being right isn't for everyone I guess. Especially those not willing or able to look at things objectively.

If you really want to know why I think pick 3 doesn’t make you better next year then fine I’ll give you some points.

To explain why picking a player at pick 3 in the AFL draft may not immediately make a team better the following year, I’ll break it down into a few key points for you.


1 - Development Time for Young Players
Most players selected early in the draft, especially in positions like pick 3, are still in the early stages of their careers. While they have potential, they usually need significant development in terms of skills, fitness, and game awareness before they can make a major impact at the senior level. This means that while the player might show flashes of brilliance, it’s unlikely they’ll be consistently contributing at the level needed to transform the team in just one year.

2 - The Pace of AFL
The AFL is a fast-paced, physically demanding competition, and it can take time for young players to adjust to the speed and intensity of the senior game. Even top draft picks often experience a "settling-in" period, where they may struggle with the rigors of the league or need time to fully adapt to the team's playing style.

3 - Team Needs vs. Individual Talent

While a player at pick 3 may be highly talented, their individual contribution may not be enough to immediately fix a team's structural or tactical issues. AFL teams often have broader needs that go beyond a single player, such as improving team chemistry, addressing weaknesses in key positions, or developing a better game plan. A single draft pick, no matter how good, can't address all of these factors.

4 - The Impact of Experience
Teams with mature players, veterans, or strong leadership structures tend to be more successful in the short term. If a team is rebuilding and relies heavily on younger players or a new draft pick, their overall improvement might take longer as these younger players gain experience and grow into their roles.

5 - Uncertainty of Young Talent
Draft picks are not guaranteed successes. Even high picks like number 3 overall don't always pan out as expected. Injuries, form slumps, or issues adapting to AFL can mean a top draft pick doesn't make the expected impact in their first year, or even in their second.

In short, while a top 3 pick can be an exciting prospect, the immediate improvement of the team isn’t guaranteed. Player development, adjustment to the AFL, and overall team dynamics are all factors that can limit the immediate impact of any single draft selection.

Hope this is enough for you Jeremias

Unless I’ve missed something from all the talent scout and media reporting on it, I don’t think this year has the next Leigh Matthews, Gary Ablett or Nick Daicos, but hey I’m happy to be wrong.

 

[Jeremias]

Hope this is enough for you Jeremias

Thank you. I appreciate you finally taking the time to answer the que......what's that? It wasn't you?


Oh well, it's better than nothing, I guess.

Can we also dispel the notion that only Harley Reid and Nick Daicos have been the only ones to have an impact at AFL level straight away, or is that too much to ask?

 

[beerbandit]

Thank you. I appreciate you finally taking the time to answer the que......what's that? It wasn't you?
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Oh well, it's better than nothing, I guess.

Can we also dispel the notion that only Harley Reid and Nick Daicos have been the only ones to have an impact at AFL level straight away, or is that too much to ask?

What do you think I didn’t write there?

WTF is wrong with you ?

 

[Fadge]

Can we also dispel the notion that only Harley Reid and Nick Daicos have been the only ones to have an impact at AFL level straight away, or is that too much to ask?

How many players in each draft have a material impact at AFL level in their first season?

 

[Jeremias]

What do you think I didn’t write there?

WTF is wrong with you ?

OK, it was too much to ask.

Thank you for your time.

And for the record, I too enjoy ChatGPT. But it's easy to detect - there are sites that do this specifically!

 

[Fadge]

Thank you. I appreciate you finally taking the time to answer the que......what's that? It wasn't you?
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Oh well, it's better than nothing, I guess.

Are you suggesting it was AI generated, and it didn't come back with 'there is a high probability that the 4th best player in the draft will have a material impact in his first season'?