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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

 

[hyperfuzz]

I served overseas and the military for over 25 years. I have travelled extensively. I also have Indigenous family. If people think Australia is a racist country you need to get out more. Australia is one of the most tolerant countries in the world and I am tired of people putting it down

It's also different to call a whole country racist just because a few are

so which countries are the racist ones

 

[happy_eagle]

Every nation is racist.

Doesn't excuse people's behaviour here but people that think we're some massively racist country compared to the rest of the world are unfortunately deluded.

The trouble is this is the number one excuse and phrase that people use when trying to excuse bad behaviour.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Footy Class will be much watch viewing tonight

 

[Avalor]

Can't see any indigenous lad wanting to go to Hawthorn in the upcoming draft. Or to Norths for that matter if Clarko is there. He can never coach again surely.

 

[jenny61_99]

Leppa

I’ve heard pretty ordinary stuff about Leppitsch. I wouldn’t.

 

[Soapy V]

so which countries are the racist ones

Many. China Israel Germany India Sth Africa.............

 

[faible]

Club Statement

The North Melbourne Football Club is aware of serious historical allegations made against individuals who worked at the Hawthorn Football Club, including incoming North Melbourne coach Alastair Clarkson

www.nmfc.com.au

The North Melbourne Football Club is aware of serious historical allegations made against individuals who worked at the Hawthorn Football Club, including incoming North Melbourne coach Alastair Clarkson.


The matters raised are now with the AFL's Integrity Unit and Alastair welcomes the opportunity to co-operate with any investigation relating to the claims.

Alastair was due to commence work with North Melbourne on November 1 however he will delay the start of his tenure to allow time to fully participate in the investigation.

Given the matters raised are confidential and the investigation is ongoing, the club will not provide any further comment at this time.

 

[Aussie in exile]

That report was looked at when complete and when all parties had an opportunity.

It hasnt happened yet with this report. People have rushed to opinions without seeing everything.

When will the whole report made public?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Erm, how about the American Indian tribes!

Once again, we're discussing racism against Aboriginal people today because that is the scandal that has infected our game. You can play the whataboutism game another time.

 

[James Colorado]

All allegations at this stage, definitely, but, and I emphasise this is a personal belief rather than any assertion of fact, I find it very difficult to believe this sort of thing has just been invented by the people involved.

Absolutely sickening. What has been alleged here is not something you would expect to hear in this time and place, and if true crosses all kinds of boundaries. There's a desire to win and be successful, but that should never cross the bounds of basic human decency

As disgusted as I and I'm sure every other Hawthorn supporter is, let's not just shrug our shoulders and push this aside. Let's use our memberships to push for a positive change in the club, so that we can have a club that deserves our support.

I'd much rather support a good club than a successful one, and we have a lot of rebuilding to do.

 

[Forward Press]

Club Statement

The North Melbourne Football Club is aware of serious historical allegations made against individuals who worked at the Hawthorn Football Club, including incoming North Melbourne coach Alastair Clarkson

www.nmfc.com.au

There was no other way.

It does raise the question of whether North will seek out another coach. Ross Lyon anyone?

 

[BartBart]

Straight from the John Howard playbook of "I didn't personally commit any wrongdoing, so don't expect me to bother trying to fix the situation"

He was huge on plausible deniability (combined with feigned outrage)

 

[Descent]

There is nothing that can ever be done about the past. We need to do better now by learning from the past. The past is history and continually raising it is half the problem.

So only half the problem is racism, the other half is accurately teaching history? Buddy, this sounds like a you problem.

 

[faible]

When will the whole report made public?

It won't.

Gillon already answered this; the report was conducted on the basis of anonymity and so the contents won't be disclosed.

Likely we'll have a public disclosure of the broad findings, and any sanctions, plus any player(s) who want to speak out publicly will obviously have a platform to do so.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Because the ABC story had more details than the independent review that was sent to the AFL and the AFL is p'd about it.

It wasn't the contents of the review which sparked this, it was the ABC article.

The allegations being made in the article seem to have been given more freely, due to it not being part of the investigation.

There’s more likely even more to come, should full anonymity be given to indigenous players, but to suggest that the investigation was a failure when it clearly discovered and reported
disturbing historical allegations that require further investigation is a bit much.

 

[bzparkes]

The trouble is this is the number one excuse and phrase that people use when trying to excuse people's bad behaviour.

Not excusing it, every nation also includes Australia.

It's when people try to point us out like we're an exception to the world order that I get annoyed.

The world's a cesspit, it'd be nice if we tried to get along but we are generations far removed from that e er happening unfortunately.

 

[Avalor]

Watching Yokayi (sorry, spelling???) will be a must see after this. Get the popcorn!
Appalling story, and rightly, it will be served up to Hawthorn, no doubt. Can understand the Rioli retirement now.

 

[Chronz]

Some seriously ****ed up shit. Telling players their wives/girlfriends to get abortions is disgusting.

 

[Occidental]

Vladimir Putin’s going off… issuing threats to the West and calling a mobilisation in Russia.
It’s a deflection of this issue.
Putin is obviously a Hawthorn supporter.

 

[HairyO]

When will the whole report made public?

That is now probably up to the AFL. But my guess is there is no way this doesnt end up in a court case with at least Clarko and Fagan suing either the AFL or the ABC or both.

So all sorts of things are going to come out.

The goal of the report was to learn from past mistakes, but instead its going to create some pretty nasty divides.

 

[Jimmy Willis Jawline]

Club Statement

The North Melbourne Football Club is aware of serious historical allegations made against individuals who worked at the Hawthorn Football Club, including incoming North Melbourne coach Alastair Clarkson

www.nmfc.com.au

Both Hawthorn and North have made a point of using the word 'historical'.

 

[Lingsface]

The external group reached out to the 20 Aboriginal players who were at the club, so I am sure Burgoyne was one of them.

As for whether he, or any of the other players took part we dont know. We also dont know who the aggrieved players are. Nor do the club.

Only the external group know at the moment. And I assume within a day or 2 the AFL will know. I would hope that at some point Hawthorn and those accused will know as well, because they absolutely have a right to know who is accusing them, and what they are being accused of doing.

I think Rhan hooper must be one, only player I can see that quit on the club as said in one of the stories.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Waking up to the story on the other side of the world this morning. Sickening to read. Clarkson, Fagan, Burt & Co should never be allowed to step foot in a footy club again at any level.

Russell Jackson is the best in the business. Long may he continue to shine light in these dimly lit corners of the game we all love in the hope that one day all who are involved with it are treated as human beings and as equals.

 

[Saltiga]

Who are you punishing? Players that had nothing to do with this scandal. Coaches that had nothing to do with the scandal

The guys the made the alleged comments work at other clubs. Any punishment needs to be directed at the individuals involved - not Hawthorn, unless there's proof there was some club policy / direction.

Real world doesn't work like that. Employers are responsible for the people they employ and the conduct within their workplace.

Would open a huge can of worms if employers were no longer responsible for the actions of their employees, past or present.

 

[faible]

There was no other way.

It does raise the question of whether North will seek out another coach. Ross Lyon anyone?

Massive problem for North, unlike Brisbane they don't really have an existing solid coaching structure in place where one of the assistants can take over fairly easily.

They either need to interview for the role, pending Clarkson's outcome (his position is pretty untenable IMO given how do you get guys like Simpkin and Thomas to come in and play for you) or plan to turf Clarkson quietly, or risk going in with John Blakely as their most experienced assistant to run the show.