How many years will the Weagles forward-line rebuild take?

[goalpie]

Brad Smith was a big loss for West Coast.

 

[parrot]

.... Our one current proven quality foward was injured and didn't play...

Was Lynch injured?

 

[Eezy1960]

The dust has settled after the Weagles 2nd 2005 GF loss, and now it’s time for JW to reflect on his forward-line recruiting oversights at the end of the 2004 season, and devise a strategy to rebuild the Weagles forward line to limit the duration of their slide. The Weagles must go down as one of the most unbalanced finals teams for several decades. A very good midfield – rivalling the Brisbane and Port midfields of 2004 – but an absolutely terrible forward line. Opposition supporters were absolutely amazed by the terrible quality of the Weagles KP forwards, especially Lynch and Gardiner, and to a lesser extent Hansen. At times their efforts were laughable, and an embarrassment to this proud new WA franchise club. Not only did the Weagles clearly have the weakest forward line in the top-8, there were also several teams outside the top-8 with more talent on their forward line. The reason as to why this problem occurred is unclear – what is clear are the consequences. Assuming the Weagles recruiting staff/coaches don’t make the same mistakes, it will be interesting to see how many years the forward-line rebuild takes. Several I suspect.

Whistle at this Cocky boy!

Matera Smith(Fevola???) Sampi
Embley Hansen Cousins

And enough youngsters developing to keep the next few years going. Interesting how all those teams with better forward lines just didn't seem to win enough games to play in the biggie!! Polly want a cracker??

 

[The Unbrain]

Was Lynch injured?

Yeah, he was. Carried a groin injury for the latter part of the season, flared up after the first final.

 

[parrot]

Matera Smith(Fevola???) Sampi
Embley Hansen Cousins

And enough youngsters ....

Interesting. Youngesters? Matera 30yo, Smith 27-28yo WAFL forward with chronic knee injury. Aren't Cousins and Embley midfielders? Where's Gardiner- another 27yo with a chronic knee injury. How about Gaspar - 27yo low-skill WAFL KP prospect. Hence the need for a rebuild.

 

[Effes]

Gaspars age seems to climb every post

 

[JeffDunne]

I wish someone would get rid of the smilie.


That might shut parrot up.

 

[section8]

They need to trade some of their midfield to be able to recruit some decent forwards. What is the point in pumping the ball in there in finals matches or matches in Melbourne when it just comes straight out again. It ended up that West Coast did not win outside Perth for the last ELEVEN weeks of the year. Incredible.

Why would West Coast have ever thought they could go against the traditional view of having a balanced list of defenders/midfielder/forwards and have key position players (to stand up in Melbourne and finals). Their balance is way out now and they will have to trade to get ready made forwards. There is no point in trading for kids as their midfield will be finished by the time they come through. For a club that is forever telling the public how well they do things, this smelt of arrogance.

Remember kids, as forward line congestion increases, the value of ready made forwards that can only play forward and nowhere else decreases.

 

[Eezy1960]

Interesting. Youngesters? Matera 30yo, Smith 27-28yo WAFL forward with chronic knee injury. Aren't Cousins and Embley midfielders? Where's Gardiner- another 27yo with a chronic knee injury. How about Gaspar - 27yo low-skill WAFL KP prospect. Hence the need for a rebuild.

HMMM not only do you make comment without any research (Smith 26 and Gaspar 24. Smith 100% clear of injury and busting at the bit to go) but you cannot read!! Firstly, the forward line named is for 2006 football, not 2010 so 27 - 30 year old players are no issue. I said the young guys were coming thru! Look at these Butler, Michael Embley, Edwards, Gaspar (24), Graham, LeCras, McConnell, Morton, Selwood, Staker (21), Thornton, Waters and Wilkes (What Depth!!).If you look at the midfielders the Eagles have you will note that They rotate Cousins and Judd thru the forward line and Embley is a prefferred forward. If you look further at the young guys coming through it is easy to see how Cousins and Embley will spend more time forward. I didn't show Gardiner because they will trade him and that is where I think they may pick up the Fev. The Eagles need to look at their forward line alright, I agree with that, but it will come mostly from within. The thing that should frighten most clubs is if they get it right (or get the Fev) the only way to stop them may be by camping your whole side in their forward line. What a horrible thought for footy!!

 

[section8]

HMMM not only do you make comment without any research (Smith 26 and Gaspar 24. Smith 100% clear of injury and busting at the bit to go) but you cannot read!! Firstly, the forward line named is for 2006 football, not 2010 so 27 - 30 year old players are no issue. I said the young guys were coming thru! Look at these Butler, Michael Embley, Edwards, Gaspar (24), Graham, LeCras, McConnell, Morton, Selwood, Staker (21), Thornton, Waters and Wilkes (What Depth!!).If you look at the midfielders the Eagles have you will note that They rotate Cousins and Judd thru the forward line and Embley is a prefferred forward. If you look further at the young guys coming through it is easy to see how Cousins and Embley will spend more time forward. I didn't show Gardiner because they will trade him and that is where I think they may pick up the Fev. The Eagles need to look at their forward line alright, I agree with that, but it will come mostly from within. The thing that should frighten most clubs is if they get it right (or get the Fev) the only way to stop them may be by camping your whole side in their forward line. What a horrible thought for footy!!

That isn't an irregular occurrence now.

 

[Terry's Tigers]

Smith 26 hasn't played a game sounds like Troy Wilson all over again. Hunter the defender looks the most adapt to pay forward surely Worsfold knew this it seems everyone else did, yet it took until after half time 2 make the move. Coaching genius?

 

[Ripper]

Smith 26 hasn't played a game sounds like Troy Wilson all over again. Hunter the defender looks the most adapt to pay forward surely Worsfold knew this it seems everyone else did, yet it took until after half time 2 make the move. Coaching genius?

Don't question one track John's Coaching methods . He is a legend.

Almost unbeatable at Subiaco.

 

[spanky ham]

That isn't an irregular occurrence now.

Still haven't finished complaining?

 

[Helix]

Remember kids, as forward line congestion increases, the value of ready made forwards that can only play forward and nowhere else decreases.

Are you still pushing this barrow? Give it up.

If West Coast had a quality full forward your mid field could have cleared and bombed into a non congested forward line ala Brisbane 2001-2004. If you had a quality Centre Half Forward, you could have used your midfield to rebound from half back and gone forward quickly.

You couldn't beat Sydney's game plan because you had none of these. It is not necessarily a window into the future of the game, but a picture of this particular one.

 

[Ripper]

Are you still pushing this barrow? Give it up.

If West Coast had a quality full forward your mid field could have cleared and bombed into a non congested forward line ala Brisbane 2001-2004. If you had a quality Centre Half Forward, you could have used your midfield to rebound from half back and gone forward quickly.

You couldn't beat Sydney's game plan because you had none of these. It is not necessarily a window into the future of the game, but a picture of this particular one.

Don't make too much sense Helix . West Coast fans are desparately looking for an excuse how Subiaco Johnny lost them the unlosable GF.

 

[section8]

Are you still pushing this barrow? Give it up.

If West Coast had a quality full forward your mid field could have cleared and bombed into a non congested forward line ala Brisbane 2001-2004. If you had a quality Centre Half Forward, you could have used your midfield to rebound from half back and gone forward quickly.

You couldn't beat Sydney's game plan because you had none of these. It is not necessarily a window into the future of the game, but a picture of this particular one.

lol.
Go long! Go long, they cry! Put it to the square!
In theory, communism and cuddles' player management strategies work. In theory.
BTW, what happened to Carlton and Brisbane this year? Brisbane loses a dexed-up 36 year old full forward that only plays half their games and it all turns to ********. OK I'll give you Brown, but how do you explain not making the eight?
Carlton, world beaters in feb; knob beaters march-aug.

 

[Helix]

lol.
Go long! Go long, they cry! Put it to the square!
In theory, communism and cuddles' player management strategies work. In theory.
BTW, what happened to Carlton and Brisbane this year? Brisbane loses a dexed-up 36 year old full forward that only plays half their games and it all turns to ********. OK I'll give you Brown, but how do you explain not making the eight?
Carlton, world beaters in feb; knob beaters march-aug.

Are you ******ed? Brisbane won 3 in a row with this exact game plan. Seemed like a good "theory" then. Do you think flooding is new? You think you were the first to encounter it? Did you start watching footy this year?

Brisbane not making the eight shows our weakness in a number of areas, from Full Forward to Centre Half Back, to injuries to Brown, Lappin, Leppa and Akermanis, to our aging players being replaced with first year players. I thought this was obvious?

 

[section8]

Are you ******ed? Brisbane won 3 in a row with this exact game plan. Seemed like a good "theory" then. Do you think flooding is new? You think you were the first to encounter it? Did you start watching footy this year?

Brisbane not making the eight shows our weakness in a number of areas, from Full Forward to Centre Half Back, to injuries to Brown, Lappin, Leppa and Akermanis, to our aging players being replaced with first year players. I thought this was obvious?

Syndey 2005 did not play Brisbane 2004. Sydney's game plan was to beat more talented sides by flooding their defensive 50; something which in the past was only done to prevent blow outs, not win games, let alone flags. It required extreme fitness and endurance, the ability to create and dominate stoppages and as we saw by the margins in the finals, a bit of luck. Please, go ahead and name the teams that used this exact tactic to win games in the past on such a consistently successful basis.

 

[spanky ham]

Syndey 2005 did not play Brisbane 2004. Sydney's game plan was to beat more talented sides by flooding their defensive 50; something which in the past was only done to prevent blow outs, not win games, let alone flags. It required extreme fitness and endurance, the ability to create and dominate stoppages and as we saw by the margins in the finals, a bit of luck. Please, go ahead and name the teams that used this exact tactic to win games in the past on such a consistently successful basis.

Get over it. It's getting pathetic.

 

[section8]

Get over it. It's getting pathetic.

In all seriousness, have you posted anything even remotely close to being considered as intelligent?

West Coast - The club Carlton once were but will NEVER be again....one more time, NEVER. EVER. AGAIN. In this context, "never" must be such a spiritually-deflating word. Is that the source of your anguish? It's best to deal with it consciously rather than buy time and try to force it into the farthest depths of your subconscious where it will only continue to reak havoc on your self-esteem to the point where one day you reach meltdown and won't be able to place a finger on why you feel like a piece of garbage. Then comes the drug abuse, self mutilation, sucidial ideation. Fun stuff and all because you weren't prepared to deal with truth now when you had the chance.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Carlton, world beaters in feb; knob beaters march-aug.

And talking knobs, guess which knobs we beat in March. Let's compare silverware....forgot, you lost by 5 goals to the wooden spooners, one of 3 unloseable 2nd's for the WCE. choke!!!!!!!!

 

[Helix]

Syndey 2005 did not play Brisbane 2004. Sydney's game plan was to beat more talented sides by flooding their defensive 50; something which in the past was only done to prevent blow outs, not win games, let alone flags. It required extreme fitness and endurance, the ability to create and dominate stoppages and as we saw by the margins in the finals, a bit of luck. Please, go ahead and name the teams that used this exact tactic to win games in the past on such a consistently successful basis.

No, they didn't. Brisbane 2001-2004 beat 2001-2004 teams. It was around then too. Rodney Eade used it back in the day.

Maybe Sydney only use that game plan on you because you are the only ones without a forward line good enough to beat it? If they were playing St Kilda, things might have been very different.

 

[8 ball]

And talking knobs, guess which knobs we beat in March. Let's compare silverware....forgot, you lost by 5 goals to the wooden spooners, one of 3 unloseable 2nd's for the WCE. choke!!!!!!!!

Jim, what's more important, the wizard cup or 4 premiership points? The whole reason for the preseason cup is to warm up for the season proper. You might like to remind your lot about that so they don't go on holiday early again next season.

Sure it would have been nice to win it, but to win it and then do nothing for the next three months shows really messed up priorities. But at least it gives the blues fans something to wave about and distract people from their truely woeful season.

 

[finders]

About 3-4 years.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Jim, what's more important, the wizard cup or 4 premiership points? The whole reason for the preseason cup is to warm up for the season proper. You might like to remind your lot about that so they don't go on holiday early again next season.

Sure it would have been nice to win it, but to win it and then do nothing for the next three months shows really messed up priorities. But at least it gives the blues fans something to wave about and distract people from their truely woeful season.

Even so. it's alot better than nothing. You look in your trophy cabinet and you see silverware, not spiderwebs. Given the WCE supporters whinged non-stop about the umpiring of that game I'm sure that wanted to win it too. Historically it doesn't mess up your season, finalists most times finish top 5 in the regular season.

In our case you can't help the coach losing the players, some of those games produced absolutely no effort at all by the players. The list isn't that bad, save for a very poor defence. It's the same side that won half it's games last year and the Wiz in outstanding fashion this year by 5 goals against the Grand finalist. What happened after that was between the coach and the players. It's not always the worst side that finishes bottom but the least committed.