Hypothetical Draft Pick Trade Thread

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Not giving up our f1 or f2 our 2023 finishing position too uncertain.
Trade 1 lions blues hawks
Hawks give blues 48 for 49 (and 122 as previously established for fairness)
Hawks give lions 41,49,50,52 for 35,36 and maybe 73 if we need a late pick becomes around 68
Trade 2 likely live trade with dons
Hawks give f2 dogs and 36 (65 if needed) for 22 and f3

2022 - 6,22,24,35,73(68). Essentially convert 41 to 22 and 48 to 35 for losing 50,52,65.
2023 - shift dogs f2 to dons f3 on this year 30 to 42 but keeping our f1 and 2
At face value… everyone wins in this scenario. The numbers are good for Brisbane… IF the Don’s fail to move ahead of the Davey bid …. Then it works for them…. And of course… 6, 22, 24, 35 and 68 is as good as the Hawks could hope for.

love it.
 
Is this true? I cannot see the AFL saying No to it if it helps both parties... which it would.

Let’s break down, “Objectively Worse” . Worse = bad or ill in a greater or higher degree. This is neither of those… both clubs will win. …….. … Objectively = in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions. This trade is certainly objectively OK.

FB19, I understand that you are trying to figure out the labyrinth of AFL rules, but I do not see how a late pick swap would be rejected. Why do you think it will be?

Note: if it is: I’ll be perturbed, very perturbed. Ready to become an activist style perturbed.
Haha. FB19 and I were discussing this in previous posts above. I reckon it’s pretty clear cut but who knows how the AFL come to some of their decisions. Far from consistent!
 
Is this true? I cannot see the AFL saying No to it if it helps both parties... which it would.

Let’s break down, “Objectively Worse” . Worse = bad or ill in a greater or higher degree. This is neither of those… both clubs will win. …….. … Objectively = in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions. This trade is certainly objectively OK.

FB19, I understand that you are trying to figure out the labyrinth of AFL rules, but I do not see how a late pick swap would be rejected. Why do you think it will be?

Note: if it is: I’ll be perturbed, very perturbed. Ready to become an activist style perturbed.
Yeah I raised the idea mac11 called out that it would be blocked I called bullshit he said I was wrong - the usual bigfooty back and forth. I think my idea to add pick 122 is best although can we make it a future 7th as I want to see the afl have to track it for a year wasting time because of their own stupidity!
 

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Yeah I raised the idea mac11 called out that it would be blocked I called bullshit he said I was wrong - the usual bigfooty back and forth. I think my idea to add pick 122 is best although can we make it a future 7th as I want to see the afl have to track it for a year wasting time because of their own stupidity!
FB19… what is 122 ? I read this before but did not understand the reference. Frankly I thought it was a typo. Clearly it means something. To quote a fish and chip shop nuffie, “please explain”.

mac11 did you start this nonsense... Or is there a rule that you know that prohibits a swap of pick 48 for pick 49?

FB19 a look at Mac11 shows that he/she/they/the person… has had just 6 posts since 2009. Either Mac11 works for the AFL or is a troll. My bet was on the idea being crap. … But if the person is a troll then that is a seriously long-term troll game for minimal output…. So Not a troll.

And not for the AFL… too much has happened without a post….

New guess: That person has reactivated an old account just for FB19. Now… that makes sense. Let’s see if that person posts again. FB19 I think you have either inside info or a stalker.
 
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FB19… what is 122 ? I read this before but did not understand the reference. Frankly I thought it was a typo. Clearly it means something. To quote a fish and chip shop nuffie, “please explain”.

mac11 did you start this nonsense... Or is there a rule that you know that prohibits a swap of pick 48 for pick 49.

FB19 a look at Mac11 shows that he/she/they/the person… has had just 6 posts since 2009. Either Mac11 works for the AFL or is a troll. My bet is…. Damn since 2009…. If the person is a troll then that is some long-term game for minimal output…. So say “that person” is a troll does not work.

And not for the AFL… too much has happened.

New guess: That person has reactivated an old account just for FB19. Now… that makes sense. Let’s see if that person posts again.
Alite Im Quite new here too I see what you are saying not sure why you would come back after 13 years unless it was a ban of an unlucky number of years or they heard I was here and just had to come and see for themselves. Funnily enough leaning to the latter…
122 is the pick Carlton hold in round 7 of the draft. If you check out Lores draft thread and tip you will need to select the tab picks and points and then scroll to the right you will see it.
 
Alite Im Quite new here too I see what you are saying not sure why you would come back after 13 years unless it was a ban of an unlucky number of years or they heard I was here and just had to come and see for themselves. Funnily enough leaning to the latter…
122 is the pick Carlton hold in round 7 of the draft. If you check out Lores draft thread and tip you will need to select the tab picks and points and then scroll to the right you will see it.
This reply makes no sense.

I have been here often within the last 13 days, let alone the last 13 years.
122 in the draft… is that really a thing? Lore was quoted as a source… is this correct? I’m guessing not.

There will be maybe 70 people drafted this year in the ND. No-one talks about 122.

None of this chat adds up. I smell something fishy!
 
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Yeah I raised the idea mac11 called out that it would be blocked I called bullshit he said I was wrong - the usual bigfooty back and forth. I think my idea to add pick 122 is best although can we make it a future 7th as I want to see the afl have to track it for a year wasting time because of their own stupidity!
What is this? We need a Mod to investigate…. eldorado and Strapping Young Lad .
 
@mac11 did you start this nonsense...
Either Mac11 works for the AFL or is a troll.
@FB19 I think you have either inside info or a stalker.
Just a loooong time Bigfooty member who enjoys reading stuff about my Hawks.

I never post because I can’t be bothered with typical internet forum crap (eg. being called a troll or a stalker). For some reason I commented on a post by FB19 , who then asked a question back. I felt it would be rude not to respond - hence the multiple posts in one go. Alite, just read back through the thread and you’ll see it was a normal conversation.

Anyway, carry on. It would have been easier to say nothing. Might be years before my next post 😆
 
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Just a loooong time Bigfooty member who enjoys reading stuff about my Hawks.

I never post because I can’t be bothered with typical internet forum crap (eg. being called a troll or a stalker). For some reason I commented on a post by FB19 , who then asked a question back. I felt it would be rude not to respond - hence the multiple posts in one go. Alite, just read back through the thread and you’ll see it was a normal conversation.

Anyway, carry on. It would have been easier to say nothing. Might be years before my next post 😆
Mac11, I highly appreciate the response.
But your cherry picked statements above are disingenuous. My full statement was much more flattering to you and less so for FB19.

my question of you remains: are you the reported source of FB19 with the info that says that pick 48 cannot be traded for pick 49. Is this report accurately apportioned to you? I am (edit: was) guessing not.

I have doubts about recent posts.

Aside: Mac11.. if you read my full post… I thought you might be a troll… but dismissed that Idea.. then a stalker.. NO… or an AFL agent…No ….. I could not figure you out. No idea fit.

The key question is: do you have info on whether the AFL will allow pick 48 to be traded for pick 49. On the surface this is done. But you are the source of the doubt and so… correct or not.
 
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Mac11, I highly appreciate the response.
my question of you remains: are you the reported source of FB19 with the info that says that pick 48 cannot be traded for pick 49. Is this report accurately apportioned to you? I am guessing not.

I have doubts about recent posts.
Books said it first in a post before me (#120). I agreed with their view in a later post.
 
Books said it first in a post before me (#120). I agreed with their view in a later post.
Books can you help with the above? It says that you are the source of information that states that the Hawks cannot trade pick 48 for pick 49. Is this correct?

Knowing the source of information is imperative to challenge and then verify the statements that come from it.

So far, the info seems shaky at best. But the search for the origin of the statement continues
 
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This reply makes no sense.

I have been here often within the last 13 days, let alone the last 13 years.
122 in the draft… is that really a thing? Lore was quoted as a source… is this correct? I’m guessing not.

There will be maybe 70 people drafted this year in the ND. No-one talks about 122.

None of this chat adds up. I smell something fishy!
Alite to clarify my statement, the use of “you” was a general statement not meant to indicate you. I was saying why would you (meaning mac11) post now after 13 years. It’s terribly written by me so apologies for that as I used you which did mean you then continued the sentence using you in the general sense. Nothing more to it than I am in the UK and my daughter is I’ll and not sleeping so neither am I, which all add up to the excuses rather than the truth, which is I am at times, an idiot.
Everything else like pick 122 is just my sense of humour. Pick 122 is a thing but as you say never used those picks would only ever be used if teams were still selecting but usually by about pick 70 all teams have passed and I assume once all teams are out of picks or pass they stop the draft.
Again apologies for dumb posting.
 
What is this? We need a Mod to investigate…. eldorado and Strapping Young Lad .
It’s just a joke ever since mac11 brought up the ludicrous suggestion that we couldn’t trade 48 for 49 I have been taking the piss in saying we would want Carlton’s pick 122 their 7th round pick back to make it fair.
 

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I was saying why would you (meaning mac11) post now after 13 years.
I don’t know. Will think twice before posting next time 🤣

And to be fair, I wasn’t the one to bring the ‘ludicrous suggestion’ up … although I do agree with it.

Anyways, probably enough discussion on whether 48/49 swap is allowed. Who really knows what the AFL will/won’t approve anyway 👍
 
Just a loooong time Bigfooty member who enjoys reading stuff about my Hawks.

I never post because I can’t be bothered with typical internet forum crap (eg. being called a troll or a stalker). For some reason I commented on a post by FB19 , who then asked a question back. I felt it would be rude not to respond - hence the multiple posts in one go. Alite, just read back through the thread and you’ll see it was a normal conversation.

Anyway, carry on. It would have been easier to say nothing. Might be years before my next post 😆
It was a normal conversation for sure, except of course, the premise…
 
I don’t know. Will think twice before posting next time 🤣
Please don’t I really enjoyed our back and forth and I may have learned something in the process, even if that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever learned! Oh and I reread my posts despite being in England im no wordsmith
 
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Please don’t I really enjoyed our back and forth and I may have learned something in the process, even if that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever learned! Oh and I reread my posts despite being in England im no wordsmith
Come on.. the back and forth can be done elsewhere…. in an IM love in chat… You have Mac11 as your source ….l and it was 2nd hand Info at best.
As far as I know. Pick 48 can be swapped to pick pick 49. My effort to ”know” is done.
 
Come on.. the back and forth can be done elsewhere…. in an IM love in chat… You have Mac11 as your source ….l and it was 2nd hand Info at best.
As far as I know. Pick 48 can be swapped to pick pick 49. My effort to ”know” is done.
I’m looking forward to finding out…but as I said if we simply bring the blues into the lions trade it’s all good regardless and I know there was a 3 way live trade done either last year or the year before so I think we are all set
 
Books can you help with the above? It says that you are the source of information that states that the Hawks cannot trade pick 48 for pick 49. Is this correct?

Knowing the source of information is imperative to challenge and then verify the statements that come from it.

So far, the info seems shaky at best. But the search for the origin of the statement continues

The AFL says all trades should be fair.
Obviously the Bowes trade is an exception because of salary cap issues but 48 for 49 as a straight swap is surely uneven.

According to my understanding, the trade would need to be 48 for 49 and something else.
Pick 67 or F5 or something to make it look legit.

That is my understanding but as we know the AFL can interpret the rules any way they like to suit any situation.
Books can you help with the above? It says that you are the source of information that states that the Hawks cannot trade pick 48 for pick 49. Is this correct?

Knowing the source of information is imperative to challenge and then verify the statements that come from it.

So far, the info seems shaky at best. But the search for the origin of the statement continues
 
The AFL says all trades should be fair.
Obviously the Bowes trade is an exception because of salary cap issues but 48 for 49 as a straight swap is surely uneven.

According to my understanding, the trade would need to be 48 for 49 and something else.
Pick 67 or F5 or something to make it look legit.

That is my understanding but as we know the AFL can interpret the rules any way they like to suit any situation.
We fixed it 3 way trade all parties directly benefit in 1 trade all above board.
Blues give lions 49
Hawks give blues 48, lions 41,50,52
Lions give hawks 35,36
 
Lions are not taking their pick 73 to draft( only have 5 list spots) could have easily used that in a 3 way trade

Hawks get 49 & 73, blues get 48, Lions get some goodwill to be be used in trade with Hawks later.
 
Lions are not taking their pick 73 to draft( only have 5 list spots) could have easily used that in a 3 way trade

Hawks get 49 & 73, blues get 48, Lions get some goodwill to be be used in trade with Hawks later.
Yep agree and I included that in my earlier proposal which included dons 22 where we lost pick 65. That said hawkinoz I think you need to find a mock draft to participate in and do the trade to get it out of your system, you are obsessed with the last pick of the draft!
 
Yep agree and I included that in my earlier proposal which included dons 22 where we lost pick 65. That said hawkinoz I think you need to find a mock draft to participate in and do the trade to get it out of your system, you are obsessed with the last pick of the draft!
Naa, it is gone now.. Given lack of list spots, not much can be done. Was under impression lions had 7 list spots.

Was to just bring in flexibility that may help in Don's deal for pick 22 but in most cases all of those last picks will get dumped.
 
I’d be happier strengthening our 2023 hand, without losing too much from 2022.

Definitely not the opposite
Twomey said it's been hard for clubs to move into next year.

You only have to see that north gave 43 this year for our future 4 (which is 55+)

I don't see GWS or Essendon getting offers of late 2023 1sts for early 2022 2nds.

Can't see it happening for us but we could look at our F2 for 19 or WB F2 and change for 22.

They are the most likely for mine
 
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