Hypothetical Draft Pick Trade Thread

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Twomey said it's been hard for clubs to move into next year.

You only have to see that north gave 43 this year for our future 4 (which is 55+)

I don't see GWS or Essendon getting offers of late 2023 1sts for early 2022 2nds.

Can't see it happening for us but we could look at our F2 for 19 or WB F2 and change for 22.

They are the most likely for mine
The only candidates are those with multiple picks like dees or Gold Coast because they are stupid and also have a likely top 5 academy bid to match. I floated the idea of exchanging their first and 4 of their late f3/4 picks for our 2 f2s our f3 and another f2 we get from the dees by giving them 24 this year. chopflop I tagged you in that post so you can see what I floated. Would weaken our hand this year but give us 2 top 10 talents plus McCabe next year. We should not be taking many picks next year as we need to minimise list changes and stabilise for a few years so this approach seems to fit.
 
Trade picks 41, 48, 50, 65 to Brisbane for 36 and Brisbane’s Future 2nd, Bris have increased points for this year a heap for Ashcroft Fletcher

Trade Brisbane F2, Dogs F2 we have and 52 to Dons for 22, F3 and F4, surely that will tempt Dodo, I think Davey goes past 22 need an offer like that.

In this draft have 6,22, 24 & 36, 4 ND players with Vickery, Lawrence rookied

Next year our F1, F2, F3, ESS F3, F4 ours via Bris and ESS F4 via Melb I believe. Use F3s and F4s for McCabe bid
 

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Trade picks 41, 48, 50, 65 to Brisbane for 36 and Brisbane’s Future 2nd, Bris have increased points for this year a heap for Ashcroft Fletcher

Trade Brisbane F2, Dogs F2 we have and 52 to Dons for 22, F3 and F4, surely that will tempt Dodo, I think Davey goes past 22 need an offer like that.

In this draft have 6,22, 24 & 36, 4 ND players with Vickery, Lawrence rookied

Next year our F1, F2, F3, ESS F3, F4 ours via Bris and ESS F4 via Melb I believe. Use F3s and F4s for McCabe bid
Lions have Cats F2 and can't trade any of those as they have traded out their F1

We should aim for GWS pick 19 & 31.

Dogs 2nd won't move the needle for 19.. Needs to be our F2 as Essendon etc are offering packaging their F2 & 22for 19 + F3 + late picks.

I would happily offer both our F2 & F2(WB) for 19 & 31, assuming we trade all our other picks except 65 for lions 35 & 36. This is if no other deals have eventuated to land F1's or get dons 22.

Will give us 6,19,24,31,35,36,63

We can then look to trade 2 of the 30's pick for F2's or F3's
 
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Lions have Cats F2 and can't trade any of those as they have traded out their F1

We should aim for GWS pick 19 & 31.

Dogs 2nd won't move the needle for 19.. Needs to be our F2 as Essendon etc are offering packaging their F2 & 22for 19 + F3 + late picks.

I would happily offer both our F2 & F2(WB) for 19 & 31, assuming we trade all our other picks except 65 for lions 35 & 36. This is if no other deals have eventuated to land F1's or get dons 22.

Will give us 6,19,24,31,35,36,65

We can then look to trade 2 of the 30's pick for F2's or F3's

Going through the updated draft order, can see Crows, Cats,Dees, Port, Tigers, Eagles as most likely interested in the 30's picks in above scenario if players they like are available.

Crows have F1, F2(NM), F3(pies)
Cats have only F1
Dees have only F1 & F2, both freos ( can trade F2)
Port have F2(pies), F3(NM) & f4 ( no F1, can't trade any)
Tigers have F2,F3,F4 ( no F1, can't trade any)
Eagles have F1, F2, F2(PA), F3, F3(PA), F4
 
Going through the updated draft order, can see Crows, Cats,Dees, Port, Tigers, Eagles as most likely interested in the 30's picks in above scenario if players they like are available.

Crows have F1, F2(NM), F3(pies)
Cats have only F1
Dees have only F1 & F2, both freos ( can trade F2)
Port have F2(pies), F3(NM) & f4 ( no F1, can't trade any)
Tigers have F2,F3,F4 ( no F1, can't trade any)
Eagles have F1, F2, F2(PA), F3, F3(PA), F4
None of those are candidates except dees as I believe they have 2xf1 and 2xf2 theirs and freos that’s how it appears on Lores 2023 draft order. To me it’s simple we should be holding or reducing our hand (although now keeping pick 6) this year and getting suns f1 by using our pick 24 and 2xf2. If we can find a way to hold a second then fine but that f1 from suns so we take 2x top 10 next year and McCabe is where I’m leaning.
 
The only candidates are those with multiple picks like dees or Gold Coast because they are stupid and also have a likely top 5 academy bid to match. I floated the idea of exchanging their first and 4 of their late f3/4 picks for our 2 f2s our f3 and another f2 we get from the dees by giving them 24 this year. chopflop I tagged you in that post so you can see what I floated. Would weaken our hand this year but give us 2 top 10 talents plus McCabe next year. We should not be taking many picks next year as we need to minimise list changes and stabilise for a few years so this approach seems to fit.
Sorry I don't have notifications on. I don't mind weakening this year tbh but I don't think a team like GCS would bite on anything with their future 1.

I think teams have learnt their lesson from the Collingwood debacle where they traded out their future 1 and future 2 for unders because they know they had daicos coming and that future 1 was pick 2 and the pick we used on Butler.

They are better off waiting for next year to come around and Walter might not even be in the top 10 discussion anymore (see what happened to lemmey this year). It Walter has a massive year and is a consensus top 3 pick and they finish mid table, they will find a buyer for that pick because of the strength of the draft.

No sense for them jump the gun in prep for academy bids because they realistically could use the F1 and get Walter as well.
 
If the roos are open to trading 3, and with the of potential Tsatas sliding, could we trade 6 and 24 for 3, and see if we could get another 20s pick with our later ones. If we have 3 we then get one of Sheezel or Wardlaw-Hopefull Sheezel
 
How to possibly upgrade for next year

Hawks: 6, 41, 48, 50, 52, future 3rd -------->9, 36, 38, future 2nd
Saints: 9, 47, future 2nd --------> 6, 48, hawks future 3rd
Lion: 36, 38 --------> 41, 47, 50, 52

Saints trade up for Cam Mackenzie (even though Id like Mackenzie)
Lions get extra 300pts

2022 draft: 9, 24, 36, 38, 63

2023 draft: our first, ours/WB/STK 2nd, Lions 4th
 
How to possibly upgrade for next year

Hawks: 6, 41, 48, 50, 52, future 3rd -------->9, 36, 38, future 2nd
Saints: 9, 47, future 2nd --------> 6, 48, hawks future 3rd
Lion: 36, 38 --------> 41, 47, 50, 52

Saints trade up for Cam Mackenzie (even though Id like Mackenzie)
Lions get extra 300pts

2022 draft: 9, 24, 36, 38, 63

2023 draft: our first, ours/WB/STK 2nd, Lions 4th
which is basically 6 for 9 + F2.. Bad deal in my eyes & Saints will jump if you offer that. Bombers want 9+f1 to give up their pick 4.

You have mixed up a upgrade of 48 with 47 to trade to lions which can be done separately as well with Blues 49 instead
 
No one is pick trading out of the first two rounds next year for this year. I'll be pissed if we make that trade.
what do you mean 1st 2 rounds.. those are 2 2nd rounds. Our F2 picks next yr are likely to be in same position as 19 and 31.
The carrot of " better draft" is the one we dangle to GWS. IMO draft will be similar at those picks, better get an extra yr of development & trade people out that we are not sure about and get picks.

This trade will be done prior to 2nd day of draft when we know who is on board & how they line up.

heard pies were asked by GWS if they will swap their 16 + F2 for 19, 31 & F2
 
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which is basically 6 for 9 + F2.. Bad deal in my eyes & Saints will jump if you offer that. Bombers want 9+f1 to give up their pick 4.

You have mixed up a upgrade of 48 with 47 to trade to lions which can be done separately as well with Blues 49 instead
You could do the saints first for our or wb second, just dont think they'll give it up or they could add there 2nd this year as well as their second next year
 

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How to possibly upgrade for next year

Hawks: 6, 41, 48, 50, 52, future 3rd -------->9, 36, 38, future 2nd
Saints: 9, 47, future 2nd --------> 6, 48, hawks future 3rd
Lion: 36, 38 --------> 41, 47, 50, 52

Saints trade up for Cam Mackenzie (even though Id like Mackenzie)
Lions get extra 300pts

2022 draft: 9, 24, 36, 38, 63

2023 draft: our first, ours/WB/STK 2nd, Lions 4th

If we are to slide from 6 to 9, I'd prefer the trade involved our/WB future 2nd for Saints future 1st
 
You could do the saints first for our or wb second, just dont think they'll give it up or they could add there 2nd this year as well as their second next year

This is what I proposed earlier in the thread:
Saints trade:
Hawks give pick 6, future 4th (Lions)
Saints give pick 9, future 1st
They don't have a future 4th round pick, so we would have to trade our future 4th for them to be able to trade their 1st. But it's probably overs from them, and I really doubt they would do it. That would be my starting point of negotiation though. More realistically, the trade would get negotiated to something like:
Hawks give pick 6, future 4th (Lions)
Saints give pick 9, 32, future 2nd
Which I would still be happy with.
I agree with you that it's unlikely the Saints would give up their future 1st for a 3 place upgrade, no matter the spare change included in the trade. However i do think that they would be tempted by the second one suggested.

6 and our future 4th (tied to Lions), for 9, 32 (aim for 28 but settle for 32), and their future 2nd.

I think two seconds with a future 4th back, for an upgrade of 3 spots in the top ten is a reasonable ask. If we convinced them to give up their future 1st, they would want the Dogs future 2nd back. Which I'm happy with, but as I said I doubt they would do it.
 
This is what I proposed earlier in the thread:

I agree with you that it's unlikely the Saints would give up their future 1st for a 3 place upgrade, no matter the spare change included in the trade. However i do think that they would be tempted by the second one suggested.

6 and our future 4th (tied to Lions), for 9, 32 (aim for 28 but settle for 32), and their future 2nd.

I think two seconds with a future 4th back, for an upgrade of 3 spots in the top ten is a reasonable ask. If we convinced them to give up their future 1st, they would want the Dogs future 2nd back. Which I'm happy with, but as I said I doubt they would do it.

If Saints want someone at 6 who is not likely to be at 9, only then your 2nd trade has any chance. Don't think Saints will put their F1 on table given their list position.

I feel like Saints are not that desperate now as they feel one of mackenzie or tsatas or Clark or Humphrey or Phillipou will be available at 9.

Bulldogs is the one I would like to suss out if they are willing to put f1 on table. If they want pick 6, then sliding to 11 can still land us one of Mackenzie or Jefferson or Phillipou

Then we could be happy with 6+24+48 for 11+21+39+F1
or
6+24+F3 for 11+21+F1
 
I hope we are open to that popssibility but Swans seem to have gone silent as well on Humper but if he is available at our pick, we may hear from them.

Would want their F1 in any deal for sure.
ideally 14+17+f1 for 6 ( could add a F3 back)
 
If tsatas and Humphrey are both gone what would it take to give up our first? (Assuming we rated them as best available and not pou or Clarke)

Swans 13 and 17 probably isn’t enough. But if threw in a F2 as well? Is they lineball? A F1 would likely push it over line as too good to turn down. Could also get lucky and have one of jefferson/Allen at 13 and maybe George etc at 17.

Dees one of the few clubs that trade out F1 - would their pick 12 and F1 be enough? Probably gets us Jefferson or Allen and a good hand for next year.

Can’t see other clubs like saints or possibly Carlton trading F1 - their outlook is too uncertain.
 
If tsatas and Humphrey are both gone what would it take to give up our first? (Assuming we rated them as best available and not pou or Clarke)

Swans 13 and 17 probably isn’t enough. But if threw in a F2 as well? Is they lineball? A F1 would likely push it over line as too good to turn down. Could also get lucky and have one of jefferson/Allen at 13 and maybe George etc at 17.

Dees one of the few clubs that trade out F1 - would their pick 12 and F1 be enough? Probably gets us Jefferson or Allen and a good hand for next year.

Can’t see other clubs like saints or possibly Carlton trading F1 - their outlook is too uncertain.
Yeah in my mock first round I think all the top players are gone by Carlton’s pick
Cadman Ashcroft wardlaw sheezel philippou ginbey tsatas Clark busslinger mackenzie humphrey is the order I had and even if not 100% right sequence I don’t see players coming in I just see the same group picked in a different order. I would trade with blues if they wanted to go up on that basis worst case we get humphrey Mackenzie or philippou plus probably a second or f2
 
We need elite kids coming through, and some of you want to trade away our first pick for mid teens picks?

Is it school holidays?
There’s multiple drafts where mid teens picks well outperform those picked in top 7/10. Now obviously you need to pick well and understand the draft year very well - and on average earlier picks give better players - but if we back our recruiting and think there’s as good guys available in the teens as we have in pick 6/7 then of course you prefer two elite players. It would be bold (and risky) but wouldn’t dismiss out of hand.

Eg 2017 would you rather Stephenson or hunter Clark with pick 6/7 or Zac Bailey at 15 and Oscar Allen (pick 21)?

2016 draft all over the shop - with outside the top few the elite talent found at later picks (shai Bolton at 29, Stewart at 40).

2019 - would you rather mcasey or will day and dekoning?

In some years - eg 2018 you wouldn’t do it.
 
I thought that you had to enter the Draft with either a live 1st or 2nd, but this link (to the AFL site) seems to show Adelaide without a 1st or 2nd for 2022:

Or, is it that you can trade out current 1st + 2nd, but not Future 1st & 2nd?
You can trade out any amount of picks in a year so long as they're not futures.
 
If tsatas and Humphrey are both gone what would it take to give up our first? (Assuming we rated them as best available and not pou or Clarke)

Swans 13 and 17 probably isn’t enough. But if threw in a F2 as well? Is they lineball? A F1 would likely push it over line as too good to turn down. Could also get lucky and have one of jefferson/Allen at 13 and maybe George etc at 17.

Dees one of the few clubs that trade out F1 - would their pick 12 and F1 be enough? Probably gets us Jefferson or Allen and a good hand for next year.

Can’t see other clubs like saints or possibly Carlton trading F1 - their outlook is too uncertain.
GWS has 15,18 & 19. Sydney has 14,17. It all depends whether you want to build your tall stocks first or midfielders. If tall, then around those picks could pick up Busslinger, Jefferson.
 

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