Hypothetical Draft Pick Trade Thread

[chopflop]

Who are you moving upto pick 4 (5) for? Tsastas?

Every chance if Bombers pass on Tsastas he slides to us anyway. I think Gold Coast see him as a risk to return home.

Bombers are tossing up between Tsastas and Humphrey.

Yeh I wrote a few days ago.

More and more likely he is there for us if we want him.

I have a funny feeling that we would select Humphrey ahead of him also if available. But we'll see

 

[tl92]

Every single trade is unequal in points, that’s the point (pardon the pun). So why is a trade where Carlton benefit by 15 points (hence a reason for Carlton to do it) not allowed but us trading with lions for them to gain 200 points is perfectly fine? If the AFL did this it would be the single funniest thing I have ever seen but they make things up as they go along so maybe, will make for an interesting draft night.

Could t it just be done as a 3 way trade to avoid the strange individual trade of 48 for 49

 

[mac11]

Every single trade is unequal in points, that’s the point (pardon the pun). So why is a trade where Carlton benefit by 15 points (hence a reason for Carlton to do it) not allowed but us trading with lions for them to gain 200 points is perfectly fine? If the AFL did this it would be the single funniest thing I have ever seen but they make things up as they go along so maybe, will make for an interesting draft night.

A swap of a single pick for another in the same draft year is black and white. For one team there is a clear disadvantage - they have no potential upside.

The potential Brissie deal is different. It would involve multiple picks with one team benefitting by getting more points and the other team benefitting by getting lower pick/s.

Could t it just be done as a 3 way trade to avoid the strange individual trade of 48 for 49

Was just about to say this. Are multi-team pick swaps allowed on draft night? Can’t remember it ever happening.

 

[FB19]

A swap of a single pick for another in the same draft year is black and white. For one team there is a clear disadvantage - they have no potential upside.

The potential Brissie deal is different. It would involve multiple picks with one team benefitting by getting more points and the other team benefitting by getting lower pick/s.

Was just about to say this. Are multi-team pick swaps allowed on draft night? Can’t remember it ever happening.

Understand I’m not saying you are wrong about the rules just saying it’s unbelievably stupid as there is clear benefit to each team so it’s not different. Carlton get an earlier pick and we get a pick we can trade in the lions deal to get earlier picks this really isn’t difficult. If there’s a rule that prevents that but not bowes and pick 7 and smoothed out salary for the premiers future third then as I say the afl is absolutely moronic. Then again we still have the ruck nomination rule…

 

[mac11]

Understand I’m not saying you are wrong about the rules just saying it’s unbelievably stupid as there is clear benefit to each team so it’s not different. Carlton get an earlier pick and we get a pick we can trade in the lions deal to get earlier picks this really isn’t difficult. If there’s a rule that prevents that but not bowes and pick 7 and smoothed out salary for the premiers future third then as I say the afl is absolutely moronic. Then again we still have the ruck nomination rule…

Each trade has to be considered in isolation, so the benefit of Hawthorn being able to trade pick 49 to Brissie is irrelevant for the 48/49 swap.

A three-team swap would fix that if allowed. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

Agree with you that it can sometimes be hard to make sense of AFL decisions. Didn’t they say in the Bowes deal a second round pick going back to GC would be required, only to approve a trade a week later where this wasn’t the case?!

 

[FB19]

Each trade has to be considered in isolation, so the benefit of Hawthorn being able to trade pick 49 to Brissie is irrelevant for the 48/49 swap.

A three-team swap would fix that if allowed. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

Agree with you that it can sometimes be hard to make sense of AFL decisions. Didn’t they say in the Bowes deal a second round pick going back to GC would be required, only to approve a trade a week later where this wasn’t the case?!

Ok a compromise I will begrudgingly take Carlton’s 7th round pick 122 to balance the deal. Whilst not immediately adding points that pick comes in to a pick in the 60s with f/s academy and passes in a shallow draft so we totally win!
Yes it’s a total farce the deal was
1. bowes and 7 for a 2 year salary dump, 2. then they allowed smoothing which defeats the purpose of the salary dump which is meant to be a lever for the rebuilding teams to convert cap space into draft capital
3. Then a second had to go back which in and of itself was nonsense as the other 2 suitors f2 would be 22/24 based on this year cats 36
4. then as cats didn’t have an f2 they said ah ok then an f3 seems reasonable
And we as fans just take it and they know that so the afl do whatever they want. Don’t get me started on how Steve hacking and brad Scott are allowed from high position afl jobs to clubs when they have all the inside knowledge on the future direction of the game.

 

[Alite]

The only way I can see us not getting pick 36 from lions is norf. If they give 40 and 43 that’s around the same points as 48,50,52 from us. Dons 22 is f2 dogs plus 41 unless they use it to trade up before a Davey bid. We keep 65 for a vickery or Lawrence match. Whether 22 for f2 and 41 is a good idea is hard if we get jones George konstanty I probably do it especially if we get 2 of them with 24. That said if 41 delivers lemmey or D’aloia and we keep f2 that’s also a decent result. Nice to have some flexibility.

You have to love Norf…

“NORTH Melbourne and Fremantle have executed a picks trade before the window for swapping selections closed on Tuesday.

On the final day clubs were able to trade draft picks before the November 28-29 NAB AFL Draft, the Roos swapped pick 43 to the Dockers for a future fourth-round selection tied to Hawthorn.”


And just like that, the Hawks have no serious competitor for Brisbane‘s pick 34 (36). Rock on!

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[grumbleguts]

Could t it just be done as a 3 way trade to avoid the strange individual trade of 48 for 49

So people are a bit worried about a 48 49 trade, while GCS trade a player and pick 7 to Geelong for reasons.

 

[Hawks_Footy]

You have to love Norf…

“NORTH Melbourne and Fremantle have executed a picks trade before the window for swapping selections closed on Tuesday.

On the final day clubs were able to trade draft picks before the November 28-29 NAB AFL Draft, the Roos swapped pick 43 to the Dockers for a future fourth-round selection tied to Hawthorn.”


And just like that, the Hawks have no serious competitor for Brisbane‘s pick 34 (36). Rock on!

Not really sure we should be that excited about moving from pick 41 up to 36 when Brisbane will have picks 38 & 40 anyway.. that’s like 3 pick upgrade in the end

 

[Alite]

So people are a bit worried about a 48 49 trade, while GCS trade a player and pick 7 to Geelong for reasons.

I hear where you are coming from but if the Bowes trade with pick 7 for a future 3rd + salary dump is the trade by which all future trades should be measured, there will never be another trade made in the AFL.

 

[Alite]

Not really sure we should be that excited about moving from pick 41 up to 36 when Brisbane will have picks 38 & 40 anyway.. that’s like 3 pick upgrade in the end

Not pick 41 (40) … we should keep that. It is from pick ~48 to 34(36) = an ~11 position jump.

 

[Hawks_Footy]

Not pick 41 (40) … we should keep that. It is from pick 48 to 34(36) = an 11 position jump.

I think we’re only taking 4 players at the draft (including Vickery should he be available after pick 40).. so having 36 & 41 (on top of 6 & 24) doesn’t make sense.. my view is we only need 6,24,36 & a late pick to match a bid for Vickery if he gets past 40

 

[Alite]

I think we’re only taking 4 players at the draft (including Vickery should he be available after pick 40).. so having 36 & 41 (on top of 6 & 24) doesn’t make sense.. my view is we only need 6,24,36 & a late pick to match a bid for Vickery if he gets past 40

You may be correct in the Hawks only taking 4 players in the ND but improving our picks are / is still important when “selling” our unneeded picks for future picks. The higher the pick we have to sell to teams that want a “slider” the better our 2023 hand.

 

[Hawks_Footy]

You may be correct in the Hawks only taking 4 players in the ND but improving our picks are still important still when “selling” our unneeded picks for future picks. The higher the pick we have to sell to teams that want a “slider” the better our 2023 hand.

Agree 100% but when North trade pick 43 for a future 4th I don’t see it as a sellers market - which makes it hard for us to extract future picks value out of 41,48,50,52…

 

[Hawks_Footy]

Not pick 41 (40) … we should keep that. It is from pick ~48 to 34(36) = an ~11 position jump.

also.. we can’t trade pick 48 back to the Lions as it came from there in the first place

 

[Alite]

also.. we can’t trade pick 48 back to the Lions as it came from there in the first place

Understood… that is why the first trade done is pick 48 to the Blues for Pick 49… then on-sell 49, 50 and 52 to Brisbane.

 

[Hawks_Footy]

Understood… that is why the first trade done is pick 48 to the Blues for Pick 49… then on-sell 49, 50 and 52 to Brisbane.

If we can do that and get back pick 36 & future 3rd it would be a reasonable result for us.. we’ll then need to work out a play to trade pick 41 for some future value (assuming Vickery can be selected with a very late pick)

 

[Alite]

Agree 100% but when North trade pick 43 for a future 4th I don’t see it as a sellers market - which makes it hard for us to extract future picks value out of 41,48,50,52…

What happens if there is a bid on Alwyn Davey before the Dons are prepared for it (they want to trade up to avoid this but… who knows if they can get it done). We could then trade our f2 tied to the dogs for their pick 22 with pick 41 (and equalizers exchanged) In that scenario having pick 36 looks pretty bloody good. We sell back pick 36 to the Dons and get back the WB f2 (with equalisers). The Dons get back into this draft at 36 instead of 54. We turn pick 36 into pick 22. Everyone in this trade wins.
The key is to make the most of the hand that is dealt And not wait for pocket AA

 

[Hawks_Footy]

What happens if there is a bid on Alwyn Davey before the Dons are prepared for it (they want to trade up to avoid this but… who knows if they can get it done). We could then trade our f2 tied to the dogs for their pick 22 with pick 41 (and equalizers exchanged) In that scenario having pick 36 looks pretty bloody good. We sell back pick 36 to the Dons and get back the WB f2 And equalizers. Everyone in this trade wins.

A bid on Davey before Dons pick 22 would potentially be a huge result for us.. don’t see many others in a position to negotiate a fair deal like we could with them if that happened.. supposedly GWS are open to trading pick 19 on the night.. could we do something like this;
1) GWS Pick 19 for F2 (hawks) & pick 41
Bid on Davey (to force a trade with Dons)
2) Dons Pick 22 for F2 (dogs) & later picks
Dons match Davey bid
3) Trade pick 24 for Dons F2..

Net result;
Lose - pick 24, F2 & F2 (dogs)
Gain - pick 19, pick 22 & F2 (dons)

Not sure dons would deal with us in this circumstance but who knows…

 

[TylerDurden]

A bid on Davey before Dons pick 22 would potentially be a huge result for us.. don’t see many others in a position to negotiate a fair deal like we could with them if that happened.. supposedly GWS are open to trading pick 19 on the night.. could we do something like this;
1) GWS Pick 19 for F2 (hawks) & pick 41
Bid on Davey (to force a trade with Dons)
2) Dons Pick 22 for F2 (dogs) & later picks
Dons match Davey bid
3) Trade pick 24 for Dons F2..

Net result;
Lose - pick 24, F2 & F2 (dogs)
Gain - pick 19, pick 22 & F2 (dons)

Not sure dons would deal with us in this circumstance but who knows…

Like it.

Then take Munkara in the 30s. Lol.

 

[FB19]

So we can’t trade 48 for 49 in the same draft because it’s is “objectively worse” if you can’t understand context, but you can trade 43 in this draft for what is at best case 55 next draft if we spoon and there are no bids. Multi club trades are allowed so figure we simply bring blues into the trade with the lions as then it is directly connected to the lions trade and therefore justifiable as a single transaction. Job done. Are we aligned now mac11?

 

[chopflop]

A bid on Davey before Dons pick 22 would potentially be a huge result for us.. don’t see many others in a position to negotiate a fair deal like we could with them if that happened.. supposedly GWS are open to trading pick 19 on the night.. could we do something like this;
1) GWS Pick 19 for F2 (hawks) & pick 41
Bid on Davey (to force a trade with Dons)
2) Dons Pick 22 for F2 (dogs) & later picks
Dons match Davey bid
3) Trade pick 24 for Dons F2..

Net result;
Lose - pick 24, F2 & F2 (dogs)
Gain - pick 19, pick 22 & F2 (dons)

Not sure dons would deal with us in this circumstance but who knows…

I reckon a bid could come from Sydney or GWS but it isn't likely.

We need that Pick 22 for the WBS F2 and some late stuff we have gathered!

 

[FB19]

I reckon a bid could come from Sydney or GWS but it isn't likely.

We need that Pick 22 for the WBS F2 and some late stuff we have gathered!

Not giving up our f1 or f2 our 2023 finishing position too uncertain.
Trade 1 lions blues hawks
Hawks give blues 48 for 49 (and 122 as previously established for fairness)
Hawks give lions 41,49,50,52 for 35,36 and maybe 73 if we need a late pick becomes around 68
Trade 2 likely live trade with dons
Hawks give f2 dogs and 36 (65 if needed) for 22 and f3

2022 - 6,22,24,35,73(68). Essentially convert 41 to 22 and 48 to 35 for losing 50,52,65.
2023 - shift dogs f2 to dons f3 on this year 30 to 42 but keeping our f1 and 2

 

[Alite]

So we can’t trade 48 for 49 in the same draft because it’s is “objectively worse” if you can’t understand context, but you can trade 43 in this draft for what is at best case 55 next draft if we spoon and there are no bids. Multi club trades are allowed so figure we simply bring blues into the trade with the lions as then it is directly connected to the lions trade and therefore justifiable as a single transaction. Job done. Are we aligned now mac11?

Is this true? I cannot see the AFL saying No to it if it helps both parties... which it would.

Let’s break down, “Objectively Worse” . Worse = bad or ill in a greater or higher degree. This is neither of those… both clubs will win. …….. … Objectively = in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions. This trade is certainly objectively OK.

FB19, I understand that you are trying to figure out the labyrinth of AFL rules, but I do not see how a late pick swap would be rejected. Why do you think it will be?

Note: if it is: I’ll be perturbed, very perturbed. Ready to become an activist style perturbed.