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What's even more incredible is that JJK has missed 5 games this year and is still leading the Coleman. 5 games!
Might have kicked 100 with a full season
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Is Josh Kennedy the best tall forward in the game?
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What's even more incredible is that JJK has missed 5 games this year and is still leading the Coleman. 5 games!
Might have kicked 100 with a full season
There is no doubt really. Franklin may be a better overall player but as a stay at home forward kennedys work rate is amazing. Pretty accurate as well most of the time. He should join Geelong - straight swap with Rhys Stanley
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AND conversion.
As I said your forwards are better than ours so I would expect your conversion to be better than ours.
I still don't rate you as one of the best forward lines.
Lockett kicked 100 after missing the first 6 games in a season
he also missed another game later in the year
got to remember that Franklin hasn't really been allowed to be a stay at home forward that much. When he was allowed, he kicked 100 goals in the season. I think he should have been played more closer to goal, he would have kicked the 100 more times i think. Too bad coaches have ruined the game with all the short kicking and zone game plans. It kills forwards chances for goals
Comparing Kennedy to Franklin is like trying to compare inside and outside midfielders. Yes, they're both forwards but they way they approach the position is fundamentally different.
That said, I think it's very difficult to mount a case that Kennedy is the superior player. He's averaged more goals over the last few seasons, but Franklin has him covered in pretty much every other category. Kennedy is your old school, lead up forward who doesn't get out of the forward 50 much - 63% of his possessions this season have been in the forward 50 - and he's very, very good at it.
Franklin covers much more of the ground with only 35% of his possessions this season is in the forward 50. Based on those numbers it would be pretty crazy if Kennedy didn't kick more goals. Franklin's ability around the ground means he's able to impact the contest even when the ball isn't going into the forward 50 on a regular basis. On top of that his forward 50 pressure is huge.
That said, I think it's very difficult to mount a case that Kennedy is the superior player. He's averaged more goals over the last few seasons, but Franklin has him covered in pretty much every other category. Kennedy is your old school, lead up forward who doesn't get out of the forward 50 much - 63% of his possessions this season have been in the forward 50 - and he's very, very good at it.
Franklin covers much more of the ground with only 35% of his possessions this season is in the forward 50. Based on those numbers it would be pretty crazy if Kennedy didn't kick more goals. Franklin's ability around the ground means he's able to impact the contest even when the ball isn't going into the forward 50 on a regular basis. On top of that his forward 50 pressure is huge.
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So then to answer the question of this thread... yes Kennedy is the best tall foward in the game.
Franklin can't be considered a foward with 65% of his possessions not inside 50.
It's not 1985 any more. That's the very thing that makes Franklin such a great and transformative player.
If you want to change the question to "Is Kennedy the best stay at home forward in the game?" you won't get many arguments. But the point is there's not that many of them left because they've lost the value they once had in the modern game.
Comparing Kennedy's inside 50 possession numbers to the other key forwards in the competition (season 2017):
Kennedy - 63%
Tom Hawkins - 55%
Ben Brown - 53%
Jack Riewoldt - 52%
Taylor Walker - 42%
Tom Lynch - 39%
Lance Franklin - 35%
Jeremy Cameron - 34%
Joe Daniher - 33%
Kennedy leads the pack by a fair distance. And like I said, he's very, very good at playing in the forward 50. But his game is more one dimensional. I'll take Franklin, Cameron and Daniher (his percentage would be lower due to time in the ruck) as a group over Kennedy, Brown and Hawkins.
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Locket was a beast that has no comparison. when you consider the teams he played in! if any one remembers the saints from the late 80s & early 90s & swans of the 90s & the spuds he has kicking him the ball, he would have kicked several hundred more easily. playing bog holes of Moorabbin oval & paddocks of VFL parkLockett kicked 100 after missing the first 6 games in a season
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so basically going by those stats Daniher is the best forward in the game at present?
Well, no, that's just as silly as saying Kennedy is the best because he's kicked the most goals. The point is to show the different play styles of the key forwards and explain that Kennedy kicks the most goals because he plays the closest to the goals.
Daniher's numbers are impacted by his time in the ruck, although it would definitely be around the 40% range even without that.
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You are rambling here dude.
For all your talk of Franklin's allegedly greater impact and value in a game vs the "stay at home forward" that is one dimensional, JJK. Buddy is averaging .4 more in score involvements. Buddy 9.1 - JJK 8.7.
.4 man... so all of these extra possessions up the ground outside of the 50 arch are pointless... time to rethink your argument or just accept facts and move on.
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Actually his post was right on the money. Kennedy is the elite lead up forward in the game and Franklin plays an entirely different role to him but they're both forwards nonetheless. I'd still take Buddy for his all round game that's no disrespect to Kennedy. Buddy's impact in general play doesn't get the plaudits over his freakish goals but he's a beautiful field kick.
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Buddy is an absolute gun. Can't be disputed.
But we are not talking about who is the best flanker/wingman. From your tall forward you want : Goals, contested masks, marks i50 and score involvements.
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Why are people simply claiming more goals is a better forward....buddy gets far more of the ball and kicks comparable goal tallies...far better footballer
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Well then I don't think many on here are making their call based on the same criteria. Kennedy is the best pure forward based on your requirements. I still think Buddy can do stuff Kennedy can't and will be remembered as a once in a generation type of player.
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Because the main goal (pardon the pun) of a key forward is to kick goals?
The position Buddy is in now is his best position, he's not being played out of position. He would rather have his kicks running back into goal and creating magic, he loves the 50+ metre goal and he generates so many shots, his accuracy is way below Kennedy's though.
5 more touches a game, 2 of which are clangers and an added 1 free against.
I would definitely rather 3 extra touches a game than an extra goal a game.
Lol.
Daniher plays 20% time in the ruck so if he played forward all the time he'd probably be averaging 3.4 goals a game. It's amazing in this day that Kennedy is kicking 4 goals a game, that's just under 100 goal pace, nobody would have got that soft of high average since Fev in 09 would they?
Would love Josh in the team. Greatest flat track bully I have ever seen. (It's not that there is anthing wrong with it).
Almost guranteed to beat lower teams with him in the side.
Almost guranteed to beat lower teams with him in the side.
This argument can be extended to every forward playing today. Makes logical sense. Kennedy kicks more goals than anybody the last 3 years against all teams. Everybody else had a chance to do so. Why didnt they? Are they just non bullies against anybody. Kennedy is a honest footballer and his forward pressure especially in his physical peak years was fantastic and often overlooked. its a shame he did not play with peak Judd, Cousins and Kerr. A hundred goal season would have been likely. To kick the amount of goals he has with Priddis being a primary midfielder is bordering on staggering
If we had Nic Nat with a midfield that actually turns up every game with our forward line we'd be alright.
Call Kennedy flat track all you want but he's shit without delivery, the Midfield are the flat trackers of the team everywhere else is ok.
Call Kennedy flat track all you want but he's shit without delivery, the Midfield are the flat trackers of the team everywhere else is ok.
Agreed but peter sumich is the greatest left footer full forward performer in grand finals. Buddy probably had 2 good games in 5 and that is being generous. Cant be the goat with that ratio. if kennedy goes on to kick 700 to 800 goals he can be considered a great and a hall of famer
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