News Izak Rankine, Gold coast holding Rankine to Ransom- #FreeIzak

[Scorpus]

Mod note:

Opposition posters making outlandish trade suggestions to bait the Crows board will be considered trolls and dealt with in the usual manner

No one wants a repeat of the Gibbs thread

 

[Soggy2112]

Then also the question of paying for an injury riddled Fantasia, that everyone knew beforehand as well.

Polec another candidate at the time.

List goes on and on for Port.

While we were getting slammed for not being able to attract players because we weren’t offering the same money.

 

[FR0GGY]

I've gone back and looked at the trade value for non-tall forwards over the last decade at the trade table

Charlie Cameron - Pick 12
Devon Smith - Pick 11 with two second rounders coming back
Chris Yarran - Pick 19
Jake Stringer - Pick 25 and 30
Allen Christensen - Pick 21
Jack Higgins - Future 2nd Round (plus #21 to #17 upgrade)
Josh Caddy - Pick 24
Will Hoskin-Elliott - Future 2nd round pick
Curtly Hampton - Future 2nd round pick
Jake Melksham - Pick 25
Stewart Crameri - Pick 26
Troy Menzel - Pick 28 (and Kerridge)
Orazio Fantasia - Pick 29
Harley Bennell - Pick 35 (plus #22 to #16 upgrade)
Jarman Impey - Pick 34
Jamie Cripps - Pick 40
Lincoln McCarthy - Pick 43 and swaps
Angus Monfries - Pick 51
Zac Langdon - Pick 54
Dan Butler - Pick 56
Darcy Lang - Pick 58
Jeff Garlett - Pick 61
Gary Rohan - Pick 62
Sam Lloyd - Pick 64
Tyson Stengle - Pick 68

As far as I can tell, paying pick 4 for Rankine would be unprecedented. It would be by far the most given up for a non-tall forward in the last decade

How many of those were top 5 picks?

 

[Scorpus]

How many of those were top 5 picks?

Jake Stringer (pick 5), Will Hoskin-Elliott (pick 4), Harley Bennell (pick 2) and a few just outside like Josh Caddy (pick 7) and Gary Rohan (pick 6)

Caddy was originally traded from Gold Coast for a first round compensation pick which I believe ended up as pick 20

 

[FR0GGY]

Jake Stringer (pick 5), Will Hoskin-Elliott (pick 4), Harley Bennell (pick 2) and a few just outside like Josh Caddy (pick 7) and Gary Rohan (pick 6)

Caddy was originally traded from Gold Coast for a first round compensation pick which I believe ended up as pick 20

The pick drafted at probably only has influenced for the first 4 years or so

 

[kirky]

The tears are salty here. Anyone got access?

And the media frenzy over the Betts book to boot.

Nothing happen, nothing to see.

 

[Scorpus]

There were several other first round picks as well, in most instances a small forward drafted with a first round pick loses trade value unless they can develop a midfield game

But even then Chad Wingard

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Chad Wingard

Age

31

Ht

183cm

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80kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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18.3

5star

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11.0

4star

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7.3

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M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

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0.2

3star

was traded for pick 15, pick 35 and Ryan Burton

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Ryan Burton

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27

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191cm

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92kg

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18.5

5star

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12.1

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HB

6.3

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4.6

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2.1

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MG

277.3

4star

D

16.8

4star

K

12.3

5star

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4.5

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

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277.3

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D

13.4

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K

9.0

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4.4

4star

M

4.8

5star

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2.2

4star

 

[relapse]

Other than giving up Pick 4/5 I just don't see any other way we get Rankine.

I think we'll get something back in return even if it means also including our 2nd rounder in the trade, it's all going to depend if other clubs get involved and how the cards fall.

 

[Truck25]

As recently as 10 days ago Gold Coast believed they had their man.
Izak Rankine’s contract was effectively signed and sealed, the only real sticking point whether he signed on for two years or an extended deal of up to four seasons.
Essendon had given it their best shot — up to $800,000 on a long-term deal — and Rankine had made it clear he wasn’t leaving.
Heck, why would he when he had only months back bought a house just minutes from Metricon Stadium?
When his partner was enjoying Gold Coast life after a summer move north, and he was playing the best football of his career.

Especially when he loved his coach Stuart Dew and the culture being built around this young group of Gold Coast kids.
These past 10 days have been discomforting and strange and perplexing for the Suns, who fear Rankine might be drifting away from them just when club and player had turned a corner.
Essendon’s cash didn’t turn Rankine’s head but the Adelaide offer as revealed by the Herald Sun’s Marc McGowan in the realm of $800,000 a year over five seasons — somehow has done exactly that.

He isn’t gone but he has a huge decision to make on heading back to South Australia.
Despite the clear best course of action signing a new deal to remain at the club that has done so much for his professionalism and maturity.
As the Suns would concede, if they were Tom Lynch and Steven May they would have left too given the turbulence at Gold Coast in previous seasons.
So many of their departures have been own goals by the club.
But this seems strange and unusual punishment for a club that has made tangible gains in culture and welfare and on-field achievement.
Their offer is around $650,000 a season with the club emphatic it will not match that $800,000 offer after overpaying so often before to retain talent at almost any cost.
That kind of offer would be financially irresponsible and see him paid well in excess of the game’s elite small forwards including Shai Bolton, Kysaiah Pickett, Tom Papley and Luke Breust.

With three weeks left in Gold Coast’s most successful season there is still hope Rankine might stay.
Rankine has a complicated relationship with family members back in Adelaide, and has thrived this past year without some of the distractions that would be present back in SA.
People close to him have advised him that returning to Adelaide — with the spotlight and family dynamics — would not be in his best interests.
His management company W Sports represents both Eddie Betts and Tyson Stengle, with both players’ experiences with the Adelaide Football Club decidedly mixed.
Rankine’s manager Dimi Parhas recently told senior Suns staff including coach Stuart Dew he would not move another indigenous player back to Adelaide given his recent experiences.
Adelaide is a different club to the one that held the 2018 camp but Taylor Walker’s racist comments are still fresh in the mind of many.
And yet in a week where Betts’ experiences have been laid bare the Suns can scarcely believe they might lose Rankine to the Crows.
With three weeks left in the club’s most successful season there is still hope Rankine might stay, might still be convinced they provide the best climate for him to maximise his wondrous gifts.
They see him in a wonderfully exciting forward line with Ben King, Mabior Chol, Joel Jeffrey, Mal Rosas and Levi Casboult.
A club that has so many hard-running elite young mids needs a rock star, and Rankine is their man.
Rankine would be a huge hammer blow to the Suns if he did depart.
The path towards a successful trade would prove especially rocky given Gold Coast would want the world in draft picks — not established players — with Rankine irreplaceable anyway from a talent standpoint.
The days of lucrative AFL ambassadorships have dried up, so the AFL won’t be helping retain Rankine either.
Contrast Gold Coast with Carlton — two teams with a mediocre past decade — where the Suns have been rightfully been punished with a player exodus and yet the Blues have barely lost a required player.
And yet added Adam Saad, Adam Cerra, Zac Williams, Marc Pittonet, Sam Docherty, George Hewett, Jack Martin, Caleb Marchbank and so many others from rival clubs.
Gold Coast once had a mediocre football club and so deserved whatever it got and yet how can it ever hope to challenge for a flag if even players like Rankine find a way to leave this rapidly improving AFL expansion club?

After reading that I am convinced that The Adelaide Crows are demon spawn and should be hunted down and destroyed by fire, salting the earth at Westlakes, and all associated members should be hunted down like the Spanish inquisition and burnt at the stake and branded heretics.

 

[LoBu]

Cerra is worth a lot more than Rankine, he was a proven performer over a longer period in a more valuable position

Cerra is half the player Rankine is, he's played as promised this year and its a vanilla midfielder who likes to get uncontested possessions from the back half.

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[70lethal]

I've gone back and looked at the trade value for non-tall forwards over the last decade at the trade table

Charlie Cameron - Pick 12
Devon Smith - Pick 11 with two second rounders coming back
Chris Yarran - Pick 19
Jake Stringer - Pick 25 and 30
Allen Christensen - Pick 21
Jack Higgins - Future 2nd Round (plus #21 to #17 upgrade)
Josh Caddy - Pick 24
Will Hoskin-Elliott - Future 2nd round pick
Curtly Hampton - Future 2nd round pick
Jake Melksham - Pick 25
Stewart Crameri - Pick 26
Troy Menzel - Pick 28 (and Kerridge)
Orazio Fantasia - Pick 29
Harley Bennell - Pick 35 (plus #22 to #16 upgrade)
Jarman Impey - Pick 34
Jamie Cripps - Pick 40
Lincoln McCarthy - Pick 43 and swaps
Angus Monfries - Pick 51
Zac Langdon - Pick 54
Dan Butler - Pick 56
Darcy Lang - Pick 58
Jeff Garlett - Pick 61
Gary Rohan - Pick 62
Sam Lloyd - Pick 64
Tyson Stengle - Pick 68

As far as I can tell, paying pick 4 for Rankine would be unprecedented. It would be by far the most given up for a non-tall forward in the last decade

There's a few basket cases in there.
Majority originally thought Cameron would be traded for around pick 18 and your right that he is easily the closest comparison but I feel Rankine is a greater talent but Charlie did light a prelim and that's no easy feat.

Cant image we dont end up with a 1st rounder still just a question what number it is.

 

[Thetrader15]

Not liking our odds for a 2nd/3rd round Hamish special. Berry/Soliglo are the only Hamish specials we've had since 2013 (Matt Crouch).

We've squandered a lot of our picks pre - 2020.

You don't like our later picks?

24 - Schoenberg
28 - Worrell
64 - Sholl
Rookie - Strachen
Rookie - Keays
MSD- Parnell
Rookie - Butts
SPP- Murray

 

[Soggy2112]

Cerra is half the player Rankine is, he's played as promised this year and its a vanilla midfielder who likes to get uncontested possessions from the back half.

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He has been relatively disappointing this season, but expectations of him were a lot higher at the end of last year.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Got to be one of the worst written articles and all the wrong view points.
According the the article he's only a small forward that might not be able to handle pressure so what's the big deal?
Barely worth a 2nd rounder in their words.
Start the car.

I wouldn't read anything that comes out of SEN.

 

[Golumless]

Not liking our odds for a 2nd/3rd round Hamish special. Berry/Soliglo are the only Hamish specials we've had since 2013 (Matt Crouch).

We've squandered a lot of our picks pre - 2020.

Amazing how it begun to flip the moment we spent money on decent assistant coaches and burned away a lot of the fractured squad we had.

Heck, even the 2019 draft (which would have only caught the backend of our basketcase period) doesn't look too bad either.

 

[70lethal]

He has been relatively disappointing this season, but expectations of him were a lot higher at the end of last year.

Anyone linked to a trade to Carlton get high expectations. Rarely do any deliver

 

[ams4crows]

Gold coast have 3 2nd round picks, I'm pretty sure it'll be our first for Rankine and a 2nd, he's out of contract. A top 5 pick + more tell Cornes he's dreaming.

Dawson was and is a better player and we got him for pick 17.

 

[70lethal]

Can you imagine if we drafted Rankine in 2018

What a cluster*uck that would have been.

 

[Soggy2112]

Anyone linked to a trade to Carlton get high expectations. Rarely do any deliver

Fair, but it still supports the idea that we don’t have to pay what Carlton did for Cerra.

 

[Danger_zone]

You don't like our later picks?

24 - Schoenberg
28 - Worrell
64 - Sholl
Rookie - Strachen
Rookie - Keays
MSD- Parnell
Rookie - Butts
SPP- Murray

I stand corrected on Schoenberg and Worrel (assuming his last game was his floor). But anything pre 2020 drafts has been abysmal. I'd also add that our horrendously bad coaches/developmental staff during those periods (2016-2020) are equally at fault.

While others are calling for blood Nicky's blood, I'd give him another 2 years. He's finally been able to get the off-field people he's been screaming out for (Burns, Burgess, etc) and finally seeing a semblance of a game plan (bit of kicking and screaming of course). With another preseason of Burgess, i'd be focusing on skills/strategy/execution. Then again, Im just causal watcher, what would I know?

 

[The Rocks]

Could not possibly trade #4 ,5 or whatever. Drafting an A-Grade midfielder is essential, an absolute MUST. God knows what they're doing with our best young midfielder Luke Pedlar

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[Schulzycrow]

How many of those were top 5 picks?

Maybe send this to a new outlet...oh I forgot they deal in fake news not reality

 

[relapse]

Gold coast have 3 2nd round picks, I'm pretty sure it'll be our first for Rankine and a 2nd, he's out of contract. A top 5 pick + more tell Cornes he's dreaming.

Dawson was and is a better player and we got him for pick 17.

I tend to agree that the deal will be something along the lines of that.

We might then be able to flip both 2nd round picks for a late first rounder with a club like Brisbane that may need points for Ashcroft.

Potentially - Out: Pick 5 and 23 - In: Rankine & Pick 15

 

[GROTTO]

I've gone back and looked at the trade value for non-tall forwards over the last decade at the trade table

Charlie Cameron - Pick 12
Devon Smith - Pick 11 with two second rounders coming back
Chris Yarran - Pick 19
Jake Stringer - Pick 25 and 30
Allen Christensen - Pick 21
Jack Higgins - Future 2nd Round (plus #21 to #17 upgrade)
Josh Caddy - Pick 24
Will Hoskin-Elliott - Future 2nd round pick
Curtly Hampton - Future 2nd round pick
Jake Melksham - Pick 25
Stewart Crameri - Pick 26
Troy Menzel - Pick 28 (and Kerridge)
Orazio Fantasia - Pick 29
Harley Bennell - Pick 35 (plus #22 to #16 upgrade)
Jarman Impey - Pick 34
Jamie Cripps - Pick 40
Lincoln McCarthy - Pick 43 and swaps
Angus Monfries - Pick 51
Zac Langdon - Pick 54
Dan Butler - Pick 56
Darcy Lang - Pick 58
Jeff Garlett - Pick 61
Gary Rohan - Pick 62
Sam Lloyd - Pick 64
Tyson Stengle - Pick 68

As far as I can tell, paying pick 4 for Rankine would be unprecedented. It would be by far the most given up for a non-tall forward in the last decade

This should be presented as Exhibit 1, when negotiating with the Suns.

 

[Golumless]

I stand corrected on Schoenberg and Worrel (assuming his last game was his floor). But anything pre 2020 drafts has been abysmal. I'd also add that our horrendously bad coaches/developmental staff during those periods (2016-2020) are equally at fault.

While others are calling for blood Nicky's blood, I'd give him another 2 years. He's finally been able to get the off-field people he's been screaming out for (Burns, Burgess, etc) and finally seeing a semblance of a game plan (bit of kicking and screaming of course). With another preseason of Burgess, i'd be focusing on skills/strategy/execution. Then again, Im just causal watcher, what would I know?

It's definitely not his floor, though it was a flex on how much potential he has as an intercepting third tall.

 

[GROTTO]

In any case, us Crows posters are missing the main narrative here.

Apply the Dangerfield template.

"Can the Suns please let Rankine go home and be with his family? " this should be the headline.