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Understandable if it was an Oliver level contract - but a couple of years at $750k?Agree, it was brain dead and the guy still has a job, crazy
Oof, I would have waited a few weeks before posting anything about a club being a circus. Your team just put on one of the most embarrassing performances since the 119.Yeah but Polec was making a choice between playing with a mate at a circus, or playing for a football club.
Lukosius is chosing between playing with his mate at football club, or playing for a circus....
Well, it's pretty obvious he isn't at peak value right now. Your club hasn't done much to sell his wares.Yeah, you seem totally unbiased
Maybe, I've probably followed his career closer than you though, definitely for longer.Yeah, you seem totally unbiased
Because if i had a second round pick, i would hope in 4 or 5 years, they turned out to be the servicable high half forward (or imo a good rebounding half back), but they could be a bust.. so for GC who have him contracted for 2 more years to trade him, there's no upside other than getting rid of 2 years of salary cap pain. Jack wants to stay so it's all risk, no reward for GC.Maybe, I've probably followed his career closer than you though, definitely for longer.
Would be good to counter the argument if there was one as to his value being higher than a second.
If Jack wants to stay there will be no deal, regardless of what is on offer.Because if i had a second round pick, i would hope in 4 or 5 years, they turned out to be the servicable high half forward (or imo a good rebounding half back), but they could be a bust.. so for GC who have him contracted for 2 more years to trade him, there's no upside other than getting rid of 2 years of salary cap pain. Jack wants to stay so it's all risk, no reward for GC.
I believe Jack would leave if a club offered a long term deal on good money but not for a pay cut, why would he, right? I genuinely believe he wants to stay with Rowell, Anderson, King and Ballard so after testing waters he'll find himself in a humbling position, if he doesnt smooth out his contract this off season we may end up doing this all over again next yearIf Jack wants to stay there will be no deal, regardless of what is on offer.
It's true that a second round from an Adelaide team is not worth much to GC, who have a congo line of first round picks for years apparently, regardless of where you finish.
It's a strange one, but players are often worth more to stay given the investment made than to cut loose for not much.
It's debatably a sunk cost fallacy.
If I was GC I wouldn't trade him unless it was a cap issue.
I mean, at least we made a Grand Final in the last 7 years and also won more Finals than you guys in the last 7 years so......
It’s like a DV relationship, all one way, I’m sure Craig Cameron said thank you after the Bowes dealUnderstandable if it was an Oliver level contract - but a couple of years at $750k?
Honestly, there's something suss about the relationship between GCS and Geelong ...
Jesus IvaIt’s like a DV relationship, all one way, I’m sure Craig Cameron said thank you after the Bowes deal
Both clubs should walk away if GCS are asking for a pick inside 15 in this draft especially if paying a majority of his $950K for the next 2 years.People are under estimating what the trade value for Lukosius will be
When trade time comes both Port & Crows will be looking to get him into their clubs
The value of the trade will still be a pick inside 15 imo
To be honest, there's no chance pick 4 is involved in Luko, he's not worth that in any world, which even you would have to admit. He also isn't not worth downgrading pick 4 for either.Because if i had a second round pick, i would hope in 4 or 5 years, they turned out to be the servicable high half forward (or imo a good rebounding half back), but they could be a bust.. so for GC who have him contracted for 2 more years to trade him, there's no upside other than getting rid of 2 years of salary cap pain. Jack wants to stay so it's all risk, no reward for GC.
And it would be a good trade for both teamsTo be honest, there's no chance pick 4 is involved in Luko, he's not worth that in any world, which even you would have to admit. He also isn't not worth downgrading pick 4 for either.
I think, a fair price would be him and Rosas would be a future 1st. I think that is about right.
No, absolutely not worth pick 4. Would I split pick 4? No, not if I'm the crows. Personally I don't rate Luko, I think he's soft as butter and undependable. He's probably worth a pick in the low 20s because of his kick and his size and potential. But from GC point of view, unless we desperately need to clear cap space for this upcoming season (which we don't, as Mac's contracted for 2025) then pick 25 isn't really that interesting, I'd rather continue the auditions of King, Luko, Walter, Read, Andrew to work out our best mix and reassess next year.To be honest, there's no chance pick 4 is involved in Luko, he's not worth that in any world, which even you would have to admit. He also isn't not worth downgrading pick 4 for either.
I think, a fair price would be him and Rosas would be a future 1st. I think that is about right.
Imo, something not really being spoken about here is luko's role if he goes back to SA. If its the crows, he is not replacing thilthorpe or Fogarty at FF and CHF and its more of a between the arcs type role. At Port, they are crying out for reliable goalkicking forwards as outside Giorgiades, they are thin on the ground so Luko is very likely a key forward for them and from what i read, it sounds like that is his preferred position. So if the contract is not a problem for both clubs, then the obvious club for him is Port if he wants to be a key forwardNo, absolutely not worth pick 4. Would I split pick 4? No, not if I'm the crows. Personally I don't rate Luko, I think he's soft as butter and undependable. He's probably worth a pick in the low 20s because of his kick and his size and potential. But from GC point of view, unless we desperately need to clear cap space for this upcoming season (which we don't, as Mac's contracted for 2025) then pick 25 isn't really that interesting, I'd rather continue the auditions of King, Luko, Walter, Read, Andrew to work out our best mix and reassess next year.
The reason why he's been shopped around is to see if we can get something exceptional for him, and imo it's bait in a trap for the crows and port.
Could play 3rd tall, an upgrade on himmelberg but the texan is still playing so not sure, he doesn't have the tank for a wing. But if your pitch has the words back lines in it, you can probably forget about it though.Imo, something not really being spoken about here is luko's role if he goes back to SA. If its the crows, he is not replacing thilthorpe or Fogarty at FF and CHF and its more of a between the arcs type role. At Port, they are crying out for reliable goalkicking forwards as outside Giorgiades, they are thin on the ground so Luko is very likely a key forward for them and from what i read, it sounds like that is his preferred position. So if the contract is not a problem for both clubs, then the obvious club for him is Port if he wants to be a key forward
Pretty obvios the coach Damien Hardwick doesn't think Luko's gamestyle will work with his preferred gameplan.
People are under estimating what the trade value for Lukosius will be
When trade time comes both Port & Crows will be looking to get him into their clubs
The value of the trade will still be a pick inside 15 imo
Some predictions needed here. Common, Crows fans.
Luko prefers to stay with his buddies. Suns pushing him out. Luko hanging on the doors.
Luko leaves.
Luko ends up with Port/Crows.
It's not salary dump.
Luko is not in Suns future plans due to influx of academy talls and not fitting into Dimma's system. Walter, Read, King, Andrew are future as forwards.
Suns will get late 1st round (possibly F1) with something coming back. Concession are gone, Suns will not let him go cheap as Suns already mentioned and Collingwood found out (if you believe media).
It does remind me a bit Chol situation last year. Chol was under contract and Suns told him they are happy if he wants to look around. Suns insisted on 2nd round and got it in the end (sent back 3rd round). BTW, Chol is much worse player, IMO.
Or Luko stays, works his butt off in the off-season and fights for his spot. He leaves in 2025.
Still think Luko is worth a pick around 10-12