Traded Jason Horne-Francis [to Port Adelaide in multi-club trade]

[philthy05]

Are GWS looking to use picks 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19 purely for the draft? Or do they want to get some players in via trade?

Maybe we could upgrade pick 33 or 43 for one those later picks and offer up Byrne-Jones or Bonner?

We genuinely need to trade away a player for 2nd round. Can't see it happening another way.

Hayes, Drew, Bonner, DBJ, Farrell. DBJ with most value in that lot perhaps as an All-Australian and club BnF although he was off it best this year. I know he just resigned but yeah either him or Drew

In all seriousness North have actually done fine out of this deal. So have West Coast. GWS showed up, bent over and handed over the lube to make it work for everyone else, and I salute them for it.

Yeah I think north have done well. What more can you hope for to get for a player that wants out than a similar pick + a future 1st on top. That’s a good deal.

Also west coast, despite people knocking them to get out of pick 2 and the private school vic boys and into hewett territory , whose not far behind, if at all those vic boys plus get another pick. That’s good for them.

Ports given up a lot, but the fact we get future 2nds and 3rds back helps a lot,

In the end rozee butters jhf Bergman sinn to look forward too in our midfield.

I really rate that group of players as a future midfield. High end young talent there.

 

[Brian McGee]

Jason.

He's chicken of hard work at a real club, he's a salty little sook who didn't like being called out on his not doing the work, and he's fundamentally a weird thing that's occasionally really good that's come out of South Ausatralia, like chicken salt itself.

I see…

 

[Foucault1989]

If JHF is forced to stay, what's the chances of him sitting out the year?

I think an all time melt is on the cards if he stays.

 

[Del191229]

If JHF is forced to stay, what's the chances of him sitting out the year?

I think an all time melt is on the cards if he stays.

Given his unpopularity with the playing group, it'll be very very interesting.

 

[DapperDon]

If JHF is forced to stay, what's the chances of him sitting out the year?

I think an all time melt is on the cards if he stays.

Didn't you read? The North players wont let him play even if he wanted to because he didn't take a bath with Cunnington, which seems to be a tradition for first year players apparently.

 

[killtaker1993]

Just get him to shave off that peach fuzz moustache he has. He looks like a 1982 bogan

 

[FourthTimeAround]

???

Look if Chicken Salt was genuinely homesick and had conducted himself like a professional all year, I'd say hey, these things happen. Kid has had a pretty rough trot in life, he put in his best for us, we move on.

He didn't though. He sooked, he paid out on teammates with far more credit in the bank, he acted like a spoilt little brat. And now he wants out.

As I said, he didn't do an ice bath and sooked when Ben Cunnington was working his guts out to make his return.

That says a whole lot about Chicken Salt's character imo.

You can see why Clarkson and Viney are happy to let him go.

I'm happy to let him and go too, and I was part of a group that sponsored him too, he signed a jumper for my son.

Seeya Jayse - enjoy being back home, hope it all works out for you.

Rest assured you are unique in your emotional vested interest in JHF right now, but you are not special.
Every club has had players leave that they wanted to stay, hell we lost one for SFA this year. (actually Clarkson did it to us with Burgoyne, Wingard and Impey, so we owe him a few)
JHF is in year 1 which of course is rare (Buckley and Boyd the only ones I can remember) but this year Bruhn and Henry are in year 2 and there’s barely a care about their decision. The compensation for North in this case is that JHF is contracted, so you can and will demand a higher price, and good on the club for holding their ground.
But be careful not to cut your nose off to spite your face.

(Also, can you please publish a list of all the other cute nicknames that you have for all of Norths trade targets over the last decade? You know, all the ones that failed when you had to use your own money and not the free parking Monopoly trades from the AFL?)

 

[Young Gun #6]

It is substantially less delusional that Port fans thinking they can get JHF for pick 8 + F1.

GWS and Brisbane did the following trade in 2016:

#3 + #16 > #2 + #31 + #51 + #60

That's the precedent for trading up, and that's not even up to pick 1, if they were to go one higher, another mid first would've been required at least.

Regardless, literally none of it needs to involve Port, which is my main point.

As one of your North supporters already tried to say when applying a GWS trade that countered their argument. They have been horrible in their list management and are exceptions not precedent for examples.

Can’t pick and choose what suits your arguments.

You set 2 /18 clubs trading 6 years ago in a completely different draft as the precedent for all other clubs to have to have the same value on their picks and trades. i hope you’re not a judge in real life

If we’re just using a single example I guess pick 2 is worth Lachie Weller in a trade every year too. So you can have Bonner for pick 2 if you want.

Either way of course it costs a late first round pick with change coming back to move up from 3 to 2 most of the time..

3 + 18 for say pick 2 off you guys + change back would be a fair trade for clubs that are worried their choice won’t be there at #3.

 

[Del191229]

Every club has had players leave that they wanted to stay ...

We haven't lost one for a good long while. We haven't got all the players we wanted sure, but we haven't lost any we wanted to keep.

 

[Financialpanther]

If JHF is forced to stay, what's the chances of him sitting out the year?

I think an all time melt is on the cards if he stays.

Imagine being the medi sun for 22 straight games

 

[Young Gun #6]

The irony is the trade is probably done and Davies and Rawlings are either pissing themselves at all the nuffies or they’re annoyed they have to wait until Wednesday to get it through so the AFL can get all their clicks and headlines for another week.

 

[Rich01]

8, a future first and a fringe player for JHF is a very good return for North.

Their admin know that while they technically could keep him on the list for another year, they really have to let him go.

North supporters talk of the disharmony between him and the playing group, so they need to cut ties.

Port have offered a fair deal for a player with immense potential, but question marks on his dedication. It’s the latter that came up in exposed form this year, which means his value is lower (when teams like Adelaide and Richmond came knocking) than before he was originally drafted.

It will be smart business if they downgrade their first for another first rounder. Three this year will give them some good players for the future, if they pick wisely.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Davies admitted a player will most likely be part of the deal at the beginning. We're getting to the pointy end now.

I'd say a player will be part of it, a good player too. Likely Sinn.

The actual quote was he’d consider it (mad not to) but preference is to trade draft capital

‘Not one of those players have suggested they want to leave Port Adelaide, nor have we contemplated any of those guys leaving Port Adelaide,” the Power footy boss said.

“We don’t want to bring Jason in and then let other players we think are going to helpful for us at AFL level go. I’m sure North Melbourne will have a think about that, and if the time comes, we’ll have to consider it a as well.

“But right now our preference would be to deal from a draft capital perspective ... but you never say never through this period. You’ve got to keep your eyes open to all of the possibilities.”


He never said it’s likely he’ll ship off a player or a good player at that.

 

[Young Gun #6]

8, a future first and a fringe player for JHF is a very good return for North.

Their admin know that while they technically could keep him on the list for another year, they really have to let him go.

North supporters talk of the disharmony between him and the playing group, so they need to cut ties.

Port have offered a fair deal for a player with immense potential, but question marks on his dedication. It’s the latter that came up in exposed form this year, which means his value is lower (when teams like Adelaide and Richmond came knocking) than before he was originally drafted.

It will be smart business if they downgrade their first for another first rounder. Three this year will give them some good players for the future, if they pick wisely.

Nah 2 1sts (potentially both being top 10) and a fringe player is ‘nothing of value’ remember

 

[eaglespremiers]

Laughable. If GWS did that deal they should sack everyone involved tomorrow. Good to know the North supporter delusion extends beyond JHF.

The general consensus on our board is that if we did #2 for #8 and #12 then we should sack our team as well.

 

[Free Agent]

Cool. So we agree you were being silly.

Just like Ports recruiting this trade period hey

 

[eaglespremiers]

Yeah, I really disagree that 19 would be required to get it over the line, 3 and 12 is plenty because 3 is a very high pick. Look at this way, GWS would be giving up like 70% of Taranto and 3 and Cadman…

As a standalone trade #1 for #3 and #12 seems pretty on point (maybe even slightly overs).

 

[perplexed]

Disagree as can’t see how the pick swaps go through without pick 8 being involved.

If GWS want to swap 3,12 and 15 or whatever it is for 1 then no they don’t need us. But what then is the deal with WC to get pick 2 if you want it?

North trade 12, 15 and their future pick onto WC? Well I highly doubt North would be trading any future picks of theirs so they need pick 8 in there in some form or they can’t get pick 2.

Without us, I don’t see how North can get pick 2 and 3.

8 would still be involved, we'll get it off Port as part of the JHF deal, then trade it to WC with other picks closer to the draft if we still want to. It doesn't need to be a mega trade with you guys.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

West coast getting screwed over majorly in that deal - they would have to be crazy to go for it.

Again, if the reporting is accurate, just throw the points and historical trades out of it. WC actively want to break up 2, they like 2 players at 8-12 more than pick 2. It’s a trade you couldn’t judge until you see how the draftees careers pan out

 

[eaglespremiers]

Again, if the reporting is accurate, just throw the points and historical trades out of it. WC actively want to break up 2, they like 2 players at 8-12 more than pick 2. It’s a trade you couldn’t judge until you see how the draftees careers pan out

But it's important to note that we have no incentive to be involved.
North are obliged to attempt a trade for Horne-Francis. Port want Horne-Francis and reportedly GWS wants pick 1.
We shouldn't agree to receive a trade that doesn't properly compensate us for pick 2 (ala #2 for #8 and #12).
Why should we get the short end of the stick for pick 2?

The club, up to this point, has been quite adamant that they are not going to bend over in any of these trades.
Reading the room I think the least that would be required for #2 and Rioli is #8, #12 and #19/#15/Port's F1st/Georgiades.
If that's not acceptable we can try our luck with other suitors when there are likely to be better offers even on trade night for pick 2.
Alternatively we could keep pick 2 and grab a Wardlaw/Cadman, both players would suit our rebuild immensely.

 

[the big lebowski]

So sinn added to the two firsts probably gets this trade done. Sinn that ave 10 disposals per game at sanfl level this year, in 3 games. Playing a total of 4 games for the year, after missing heaps of footy in his draft year.

Port not willing to trade him for a generational talent wanting to come home after a year.

Shut it down, as we can resume talks next year imo

 

[CrowToon]

???

Look if Chicken Salt was genuinely homesick and had conducted himself like a professional all year, I'd say hey, these things happen. Kid has had a pretty rough trot in life, he put in his best for us, we move on.

He didn't though. He sooked, he paid out on teammates with far more credit in the bank, he acted like a spoilt little brat. And now he wants out.

As I said, he didn't do an ice bath and sooked when Ben Cunnington was working his guts out to make his return.

That says a whole lot about Chicken Salt's character imo.

You can see why Clarkson and Viney are happy to let him go.

I'm happy to let him and go too, and I was part of a group that sponsored him too, he signed a jumper for my son.

Seeya Jayse - enjoy being back home, hope it all works out for you.

Pal if everyone was defined by their character at 19 we'd have a pretty lousy view of most people. Drafted Teenagers have spent a lot of time receiving attention, being in the best few in their side or otherwise involved in representative sides, usually finished schooling where they would likely have had a pretty good reputation amongst peers etc. This is all in addition to the usual teenage bravado and self-confidence.

Now they are at the bottom of the pecking order in a totally different environment. If the younger ones are coming in and runnin amok or not following standards it's a catastrophic failure of leadership. No ifs buts or maybes. 100% this is on North for not doing enough or not taking the time to understand Jason's motivation, his needs and what he responds to.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Pal if everyone was defined by their character at 19 we'd have a pretty lousy view of most people. Drafted Teenagers have spent a lot of time receiving attention, being in the best few in their side or otherwise involved in representative sides, usually finished schooling where they would likely have had a pretty good reputation amongst peers etc. This is all in addition to the usual teenage bravado and self-confidence.

Now they are at the bottom of the pecking order in a totally different environment. If the younger ones are coming in and runnin amok or not following standards it's a catastrophic failure of leadership. No ifs buts or maybes. 100% this is on North for not doing enough or not taking the time to understand Jason's motivation, his needs and what he responds to.

I agree North probably should have looked after JH-F better (Noble being a significant factor to be fair), however if the rumours were true that he told several people during the season he was planning to go back to SA/Port at the end of the season and some of his petulant acts like yelling at Goldstein during at training and refusing a post game ice bath, that also displays some immaturity and unprofessionalism from Horne-Francis as well

Not all a one way street why the North and JH-F relationship didn't work out.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Port recruiters are actually amateurs
And their fans are not very smart to put it nicely

Maybe figure out what a club would want first before trying to get a contracted player to come over or be willing to give up quality players (even to other clubs to get collateral)

The leaking false shit to the media like bonner was laughable

 

[Brian McGee]

Port recruiters are actually amateurs
And their fans are not very smart to put it nicely

Maybe figure out what a club would want first before trying to get a contracted player to come over or be willing to give up quality players (even to other clubs to get collateral)

The leaking false s**t to the media like bonner was laughable

Do you actually think this didn’t happen? Why are north even at the discussion table with port if their recruiters are so amateur and so unrealistic with what they are offering? Surely the just say no and walk away? Or do you think that there might be some more level heads than your own trying to work out a mutually beneficial solution.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Do you actually think this didn’t happen? Why are north even at the discussion table with port if their recruiters are so amateur and so unrealistic with what they are offering? Surely the just say no and walk away? Or do you think that there might be some more level heads than your own trying to work out a mutually beneficial solution.

I think your list management are amateurs

Going to player managers to tell them not to put players names even for discussion then telling us no players want to be traded

Going to the media with fake bonner rumours and negotiating through the media