Traded Jason Horne-Francis [to Port Adelaide in multi-club trade]

[philthy05]

Are GWS looking to use picks 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19 purely for the draft? Or do they want to get some players in via trade?

Maybe we could upgrade pick 33 or 43 for one those later picks and offer up Byrne-Jones or Bonner?

We genuinely need to trade away a player for 2nd round. Can't see it happening another way.

Hayes, Drew, Bonner, DBJ, Farrell. DBJ with most value in that lot perhaps as an All-Australian and club BnF although he was off it best this year. I know he just resigned but yeah either him or Drew

In all seriousness North have actually done fine out of this deal. So have West Coast. GWS showed up, bent over and handed over the lube to make it work for everyone else, and I salute them for it.

Yeah I think north have done well. What more can you hope for to get for a player that wants out than a similar pick + a future 1st on top. That’s a good deal.

Also west coast, despite people knocking them to get out of pick 2 and the private school vic boys and into hewett territory , whose not far behind, if at all those vic boys plus get another pick. That’s good for them.

Ports given up a lot, but the fact we get future 2nds and 3rds back helps a lot,

In the end rozee butters jhf Bergman sinn to look forward too in our midfield.

I really rate that group of players as a future midfield. High end young talent there.

 

[Brian McGee]

I think your list management are amateurs

Going to player managers to tell them not to put players names even for discussion then telling us no players want to be traded

Going to the media with fake bonner rumours and negotiating through the media

I think you will find that they went to managers to reassure them they weren’t trying to push their players who didn’t want to leave out. Bonner is up for trade that’s not a rumour. We will see what happens by Wednesday. I am fairly happy with the way our recruiting team has handled it so far.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I think you will find that they went to managers to reassure them they weren’t trying to push their players who didn’t want to leave out. Bonner is up for trade that’s not a rumour. We will see what happens by Wednesday. I am fairly happy with the way our recruiting team has handled it so far.

The rumour was we met with him that was false

We want more quality than that in form of top 5 picks or players

 

[Brian McGee]

The rumour was we met with him that was false

We want more quality than that in form of top 5 picks or players

And this is what they are trying to nut out at the trade table. All of the clubs seem to be working amicably trying to find a solution. If you get that will you be happy? Or is it just that port are the bad guys for not forcing out one of our best young talents?

 

[CrowToon]

I agree North probably should have looked after JH-F better (Noble being a significant factor to be fair), however if the rumours were true that he told several people during the season he was planning to go back to SA/Port at the end of the season and some of his petulant acts like yelling at Goldstein during at training and refusing a post game ice bath, that also displays some immaturity and unprofessionalism from Horne-Francis as well

Not all a one way street why the North and JH-F relationship didn't work out.

He is a teenager, of course there will be some immaturity. If he was that up front about leaving then North would have known that going in to picking him. They chose to gamble and it didn't pay off. I agree clubs need better protection in cases like this but North had to better understand the realitt of the situation.

Young players will make mistakes. He had a crack at experienced players and made a dumb choice to skip a bath - hardly reasons to hang a kid and probably more a cry for help than anything else.

Instead of allowing the media to be all over it they should have better protected him and if that wasn't going to work, they should have started the conversation about how to extract maximum value. If the relationship is truly strained then it may have been salvaged by working with Jason. It might have even allowed North to have Jason not choose Port specifically. If Adelaide were in the race then Port wouldn't be acting as petulantly as they are now.

 

[Del191229]

The actual quote was he’d consider it (mad not to) but preference is to trade draft capital

‘Not one of those players have suggested they want to leave Port Adelaide, nor have we contemplated any of those guys leaving Port Adelaide,” the Power footy boss said.

“We don’t want to bring Jason in and then let other players we think are going to helpful for us at AFL level go. I’m sure North Melbourne will have a think about that, and if the time comes, we’ll have to consider it a as well.

“But right now our preference would be to deal from a draft capital perspective ... but you never say never through this period. You’ve got to keep your eyes open to all of the possibilities.”


He never said it’s likely he’ll ship off a player or a good player at that.

He stated his preference is draft capital but that he wouldn't rule out players.

 

[Del191229]

Pal if everyone was defined by their character at 19 we'd have a pretty lousy view of most people. Drafted Teenagers have spent a lot of time receiving attention, being in the best few in their side or otherwise involved in representative sides, usually finished schooling where they would likely have had a pretty good reputation amongst peers etc. This is all in addition to the usual teenage bravado and self-confidence.

Now they are at the bottom of the pecking order in a totally different environment. If the younger ones are coming in and runnin amok or not following standards it's a catastrophic failure of leadership. No ifs buts or maybes. 100% this is on North for not doing enough or not taking the time to understand Jason's motivation, his needs and what he responds to.

It's 100 per cent on us his psycho controlling violent step Dad is desperate to keep the golden goose from flying away.

Lol. Sure.

 

[Malibu#27]

Port recruiters are actually amateurs
And their fans are not very smart to put it nicely

That’s an interesting comment. You only needed to talk to someone in the south Adelaide football department for five minutes to note that JHF was a star footballer but ‘the greatest go home risk’ they had seem, and by mid year it was playing out.

I’m not sure where the amateur description is most appropriate on current evidence.

I don’t wish anything bad to north and I hope they do well out of this trade period but to suggest ports recruiters are amateur is a bit of a miss.

 

[Brian McGee]

It's 100 per cent on us his psycho controlling violent step Dad is desperate to keep the golden goose from flying away.

Lol. Sure.

Comments like these are pretty embarrassing mate. I get it’s frustrating that he has asked for a trade, but you can do better than this I am sure.

 

[Watto71]

It's 100 per cent on us his psycho controlling violent step Dad is desperate to keep the golden goose from flying away.

Lol. Sure.

No wonder no one wants to come to your club

 

[The Nostradamus]

No wonder no one wants to come to your club

Just the other day

 

[CrowToon]

It's 100 per cent on us his psycho controlling violent step Dad is desperate to keep the golden goose from flying away.

Lol. Sure.

Even if those highly defamatory comments were actually true all that does is make the Kangaroos look worse for still picking him.

 

[WA ROO]

Just the other day

That was Freo punishing Logue

 

[Kangas_11]

As one of your North supporters already tried to say when applying a GWS trade that countered their argument. They have been horrible in their list management and are exceptions not precedent for examples.

Can’t pick and choose what suits your arguments.

You set 2 /18 clubs trading 6 years ago in a completely different draft as the precedent for all other clubs to have to have the same value on their picks and trades. i hope you’re not a judge in real life

If we’re just using a single example I guess pick 2 is worth Lachie Weller in a trade every year too. So you can have Bonner for pick 2 if you want.

Either way of course it costs a late first round pick with change coming back to move up from 3 to 2 most of the time..

3 + 18 for say pick 2 off you guys + change back would be a fair trade for clubs that are worried their choice won’t be there at #3.

So I got to have a pretty reasonable discussion with another port fan on this, but you're pretty clueless tbh.

In your last point you say 3 + 18 for pick 2 + change back is a fair trade. Which is correct, but we have pick 1.

So, say a team has spent 3 + 18 to get to 2, what would they then have to give up to get up to 1?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Comments like these are pretty embarrassing mate. I get it’s frustrating that he has asked for a trade, but you can do better than this I am sure.

Spot on.

I absolutely have the utmost sympathy for North and why they would be feeling bitter and angry at JH-F, but, yes, leave the family pot shots out of it, especially to do with something as serious and severe as domestic violence.

It's not very appropriate.

 

[perplexed]

Doesn't look like Port are doing anything to improve their draft hand other than repackaging it in weird mega-trades and pointless pick swaps. Might be easiest if we just ask for it all and work out what to do with it ourselves.

JHF for 8, 33, 43, 53, 57, 60, F1, F2 (assuming the AFL allows them to use F2).

Using Suma Magic's brilliant new pick value index (which is based on past trades) and assuming F1 and F2 are 12 and 30, that all adds up to 3271 or Pick 1 + Pick 35.

Is that enough?

Edit: I didn't take into account the lower value of future picks. It is probably just worth pick 1.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

Doesn't look like Port are doing anything to improve their draft hand other than repackaging it in weird mega-trades and pointless pick swaps. Might be easiest if we just ask for it all and work out what to do with it ourselves.

JHF for 8, 33, 43, 53, 57, 60, F1, F2 (assuming the AFL allows them to use F2).

Using Suma Magic's brilliant new pick value index (which is based on past trades) and assuming F1 and F2 are 12 and 30, that all adds up to 3271 or Pick 1 + Pick 35.

Is that enough?

Edit: I didn't take into account the lower value of future picks. It is probably just worth pick 1.

Just to correct you.
You or I really have no idea what Port are offering.
But yeah, work it out yourself and give them a call.

 

[Revan11]

Why does this thread title still say requests trade home to SA? Just say Port lol

 

[perplexed]

Just to correct you.
You or I really have no idea what Port are offering.
But yeah, work it out yourself and give them a call.

No, I don't know what they are offering, I have just added up all the picks that they currently have available (without offloading players). It doesn't look like quite enough to offer for JHF. It's not even close if they want Rioli and Esava too.

 

[King_Tredrea]

No, I don't know what they are offering, I have just added up all the picks that they currently have available (without offloading players). It doesn't look like quite enough to offer for JHF. It's not even close if they want Rioli and Esava too.

8, 33 and next years first most certainly gets it done

 

[The Lone Latic]

8, 33 and next years first most certainly gets it done

So, North on day 1 came out and said 8 and F1 is not enough for JHF. West Coast have said 33 is not enough for Rioli. So in what logic have you come to the conclusion that without players going out that these same picks are enough to get both players across?

 

[bh90210fan]

I think Bonner is key to all of this

 

[perplexed]

8, 33 and next years first most certainly gets it done

That is JHF for roughly pick 2 in value. I'm sure you know you'll need to do better than that. Time to tell Josh Sinn to GAGF coz you love Jason more.

 

[the big lebowski]

Who knows, Jase might be thanking us this time next year for denying the trade request if port have a poor start, ken gets sacked, kochie is kicked out etc. whilst north makes real progress under clarko.

 

[Brian McGee]

Who knows, Jase might be thanking us this time next year for denying the trade request if port have a poor start, ken gets sacked, kochie is kicked out etc. whilst north makes real progress under clarko.

Or he might be like the rest of us port fans kind of hoping that Ken gets sacked and Koch kicked out.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Huge roadblock in four-club trade as AFL delivers brutal blow

Huge roadblock in four-club trade as AFL delivers brutal blow

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