Traded Jason Horne-Francis [to Port Adelaide in multi-club trade]

[philthy05]

Are GWS looking to use picks 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19 purely for the draft? Or do they want to get some players in via trade?

Maybe we could upgrade pick 33 or 43 for one those later picks and offer up Byrne-Jones or Bonner?

We genuinely need to trade away a player for 2nd round. Can't see it happening another way.

Hayes, Drew, Bonner, DBJ, Farrell. DBJ with most value in that lot perhaps as an All-Australian and club BnF although he was off it best this year. I know he just resigned but yeah either him or Drew

In all seriousness North have actually done fine out of this deal. So have West Coast. GWS showed up, bent over and handed over the lube to make it work for everyone else, and I salute them for it.

Yeah I think north have done well. What more can you hope for to get for a player that wants out than a similar pick + a future 1st on top. That’s a good deal.

Also west coast, despite people knocking them to get out of pick 2 and the private school vic boys and into hewett territory , whose not far behind, if at all those vic boys plus get another pick. That’s good for them.

Ports given up a lot, but the fact we get future 2nds and 3rds back helps a lot,

In the end rozee butters jhf Bergman sinn to look forward too in our midfield.

I really rate that group of players as a future midfield. High end young talent there.

 

[Taylor]

that is only part of it though. What does it say to the supporter base and the playing group that a guy they invested the no 1 pick on and laid the groundwork for and feted wants out after 1 season. Yes they could command a kings ransom but the collateral damage it would cause would be vast. I would hold him at all costs and try to help him come around to staying longer term if I was north. I simply would not consider any trade at all this year

I agree.

 

[eth-dog]

"Never tear us apart"...but let's rip the heart out of North Melbourne!

No no, it's "Never Tear Up Our Tarps"

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

that is what most of us at Adelaide think too. However as an aside from that, I don't think it reflects well on Horne Francis if he tries to get out of North after 1 year no matter what club he would want to go to and that includes Adelaide. He should stay at a minimum for his initial contract regardless

North won't trade under any circumstances at the end of this season regardless, putting contract talks on hold does not necessarily equate to him wanting out anyway.

 

[dmc333]

LOL eggshells. Problem is he also needs a spell in the VFL.

The fact they gave him the rising star after that performance last round was laughable.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

oh absolutely. If he does ask to go to you guys, you pay whatever it costs in money and draft picks as he has the potential to become one of your best players in recent history and a guy you build a midfield around

Not sure I would go that far. You put up a competitive offer. If he's coming to Port its because he wants to be at Port, not for the money. To JHF, the sell should be 'you're going to lead the best midfield in the country with Bergman, Butters, Sinn, SPP, Rozee, etc and get to be mentored by 2 of the best inside bulls in Wines/ Boak. I suspect the offer could have a 7 in front of it and be for however long he wants and we could likely afford that given we were trying to lure Merrett last year.

In terms of dealing with North, I don't see why we would sell the farm, especially if it is next year when he is OOC. If it ever got to a 'going to the draft situation' his manager would make it a 1 yr x $1 million deal to make it as unattractive for anyone trying to poach him. They'll want 97 million 1st round draft picks or some gun that doesn't want to go to North and they'll get offered a couple of 1sts and 'something else' and they will be in a position where they will be pissed but they will have to take what they can get or lose him for nothing. Some of the hypotheticals are pretty extreme given a) the 3x draft picks offer was not actually 3 draft picks but 2 plus an upgrade, b) almost no trade has been in the 3 firsts territory (i.e Judd/Tim Kelly/ Cameron) and c) 2 of those were net losses for their club and the 3rd is still looking shaky. 2 + something else of value whether that be a player or 2nd would be a significant offer.

 

[Drunkcat]

Will Jason Horne-Francis still be at the Kangas in season 2024...

Surely now it's of great concern that he's put contract talks on hold after earlier seeming really keen and talking up the club positively?

Maybe the coach has lost the players if performances are an indicator so perhaps a change there might help?

Horne-Francis puts contract negotiations with North Melbourne on hold

The No.1 draft pick has stepped away from talks.

www.sen.com.au

You hope wish keep dreaming

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'd imagine that there is absolutely no need or reason for him to sign-on;
A) Wait to see if things improve at North
B) Watch North increase the dollars every fortnight as they fret at the idea of losing their number 1 pick.

You'll have to hand over something ridiculous for him, even if it's next year.

 

[Crow till I die]

Not sure I would go that far. You put up a competitive offer. If he's coming to Port its because he wants to be at Port, not for the money. To JHF, the sell should be 'you're going to lead the best midfield in the country with Bergman, Butters, Sinn, SPP, Rozee, etc and get to be mentored by 2 of the best inside bulls in Wines/ Boak. I suspect the offer could have a 7 in front of it and be for however long he wants and we could likely afford that given we were trying to lure Merrett last year.

In terms of dealing with North, I don't see why we would sell the farm, especially if it is next year when he is OOC. If it ever got to a 'going to the draft situation' his manager would make it a 1 yr x $1 million deal to make it as unattractive for anyone trying to poach him. They'll want 97 million 1st round draft picks or some gun that doesn't want to go to North and they'll get offered a couple of 1sts and 'something else' and they will be in a position where they will be pissed but they will have to take what they can get or lose him for nothing. Some of the hypotheticals are pretty extreme given a) the 3x draft picks offer was not actually 3 draft picks but 2 plus an upgrade, b) almost no trade has been in the 3 firsts territory (i.e Judd/Tim Kelly/ Cameron) and c) 2 of those were net losses for their club and the 3rd is still looking shaky. 2 + something else of value whether that be a player or 2nd would be a significant offer.

maybe so, I was more thinking if they said to get a deal done it was this years and next years 1st and say Karl Amon, I'd be pulling the trigger (or if it was the crows for example as an equivalent at this years 1st, next years 1st and say Lachie Sholl - I would do the deal). !00% you would want to try and wrap up a deal this year and not leave it to chance next year for any possible change of heart...if the rumours really are true he is keen to come back to SA

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

You hope wish keep dreaming

If he is unhappy with the coaching and development at North, I don't see him wanting to join the Crows, they are not travelling much better than North either, and will still be bottom four at the end of 2023 from what it seems.

This is just clickbait, no way would the AFL let the number 1 pick be traded after only one season anyway.

 

[Shadow89]

Not sure I would go that far. You put up a competitive offer. If he's coming to Port its because he wants to be at Port, not for the money. To JHF, the sell should be 'you're going to lead the best midfield in the country with Bergman, Butters, Sinn, SPP, Rozee, etc and get to be mentored by 2 of the best inside bulls in Wines/ Boak. I suspect the offer could have a 7 in front of it and be for however long he wants and we could likely afford that given we were trying to lure Merrett last year.

In terms of dealing with North, I don't see why we would sell the farm, especially if it is next year when he is OOC. If it ever got to a 'going to the draft situation' his manager would make it a 1 yr x $1 million deal to make it as unattractive for anyone trying to poach him. They'll want 97 million 1st round draft picks or some gun that doesn't want to go to North and they'll get offered a couple of 1sts and 'something else' and they will be in a position where they will be pissed but they will have to take what they can get or lose him for nothing. Some of the hypotheticals are pretty extreme given a) the 3x draft picks offer was not actually 3 draft picks but 2 plus an upgrade, b) almost no trade has been in the 3 firsts territory (i.e Judd/Tim Kelly/ Cameron) and c) 2 of those were net losses for their club and the 3rd is still looking shaky. 2 + something else of value whether that be a player or 2nd would be a significant offer.

Mmmm...not sure the bolded would be even close to accurate, lol. That is not the 'best midfield in the country' - even with JHF in it. There's 4 off the top of my head, way ahead of that collective -

1st - Bulldogs: English, Bont, Macrae, B. Smith, Dunkley, Treloar, L. Hunter, Libba
2nd - Demons: Gawn, Jackson, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Harmes, Langdon, Brayshaw
3rd - GWS: Preuss, J. Kelly, T. Green, Coniglio, Taranto, Whitfield, Ash, Ward, Hopper
4th - Carlton: T. De Koning, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, M. Kennedy, Fisher

Long way to go before you can make that sort of claim - even if it is just to market the club as a prospective destination.

 

[GeTrain]

It's in JHF's best interest to draw this out as long as possible. The more desperate North get to keep him, the more he's getting paid.

 

[Taylor]

This is just clickbait, no way would the AFL let the number 1 pick be traded after only one season anyway.

Let's start making points like that when the AFL has shown they care enough about North to help them out with priority picks and list improvement concessions.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Let's start making points like that when the AFL has shown they care enough about North to help them out with priority picks and list improvement concessions.

Port and The Crows have nothing close to trade or player capital that would interest North in a trade, especially as he is under contract.

I honestly think he is re-signs at North before the season is out, as I say, Sam Edmund's track record in recent years about these rumours have been rubbish. I am not taking them seriously.

 

[RUNVS]

The problem is I bet Adelaide have a lot of room in their salary cap too so North won't be able to keep JHF with the plan of paying him a lot more than any other club can manage.

 

[Sully90]

He will very likely stay, Sam Edmund has had a shocking track record in the last couple of years with regards to rumours.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if someone at North leaked the story to the media to lay the groundwork in the inevitable sacking if David Noble, whom I believe will be fired around the bye break.

There was similar rumours about Gibbs in his first season at Carlton too.

Absolutely wouldn't be worried or stress out if I was a North fan, as I say, Edmund is reaching Tom Browne levels of credible reporting.

He's the sort of journo that coasts off that bullseye he hit while at the pub 10 years ago whilst ignoring that he hasn't even hit the board since.

 

[Wild Bill]

Not sure I would go that far. You put up a competitive offer. If he's coming to Port its because he wants to be at Port, not for the money. To JHF, the sell should be 'you're going to lead the best midfield in the country with Bergman, Butters, Sinn, SPP, Rozee, etc and get to be mentored by 2 of the best inside bulls in Wines/ Boak. I suspect the offer could have a 7 in front of it and be for however long he wants and we could likely afford that given we were trying to lure Merrett last year.

In terms of dealing with North, I don't see why we would sell the farm, especially if it is next year when he is OOC. If it ever got to a 'going to the draft situation' his manager would make it a 1 yr x $1 million deal to make it as unattractive for anyone trying to poach him. They'll want 97 million 1st round draft picks or some gun that doesn't want to go to North and they'll get offered a couple of 1sts and 'something else' and they will be in a position where they will be pissed but they will have to take what they can get or lose him for nothing. Some of the hypotheticals are pretty extreme given a) the 3x draft picks offer was not actually 3 draft picks but 2 plus an upgrade, b) almost no trade has been in the 3 firsts territory (i.e Judd/Tim Kelly/ Cameron) and c) 2 of those were net losses for their club and the 3rd is still looking shaky. 2 + something else of value whether that be a player or 2nd would be a significant offer.

Butters out of contract at the same time would be a good starting point.

 

[BigPond101]

He's overrated and not in the best 10 young players to debut this year. If North give him a mega deal to make him stay it will just set them back even further

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Mmmm...not sure the bolded would be even close to accurate, lol. That is not the 'best midfield in the country' - even with JHF in it. There's 4 off the top of my head, way ahead of that collective -

1st - Bulldogs: English, Bont, Macrae, B. Smith, Dunkley, Treloar, L. Hunter, Libba
2nd - Demons: Gawn, Jackson, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Harmes, Langdon, Brayshaw
3rd - GWS: Preuss, J. Kelly, T. Green, Coniglio, Taranto, Whitfield, Ash, Ward, Hopper
4th - Carlton: T. De Koning, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, M. Kennedy, Fisher

Long way to go before you can make that sort of claim - even if it is just to market the club as a prospective destination.

In terms of young midfields, it would go very very close. There wouldn't be too many sides that could offer better than 'you'll play with Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Jones, Hayes, Bergman, etc for 10 years'.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Butters out of contract at the same time would be a good starting point.

You have to convince him to come play for you and assuming you could get him, there wouldn't be much else coming with him.

 

[Shadow89]

In terms of young midfields, it would go very very close. There wouldn't be too many sides that could offer better than 'you'll play with Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Jones, Hayes, Bergman, etc for 10 years'.

Hayes, Bergman, Jones (plays half back not a mid) and Duursma really haven't shown that much to justify moving states to play with them. They've all shown glimpses, but through injury, exposure or form, they're not even close to the level of Rozee or Butters yet.

By the same token North could argue 'you'll play with Xerri, Tarryn Thomas (Pick 8), LDU (Pick 4), Tom Powell (Pick 11), Will Phillips (Pick 3), Simpkin (Pick 12), Stephenson (Pick 6), for the next 10 years.' Rozee and Butters are elite, and I love what I've seen from Sinn in his draft year, but honestly, I'm taking North's future midfield over Port's any day of the week right now.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Port and The Crows have nothing close to trade or player capital that would interest North in a trade, especially as he is under contract.

I honestly think he is re-signs at North before the season is out, as I say, Sam Edmund's track record in recent years about these rumours have been rubbish. I am not taking them seriously.

The thing is, Sam Edmund didn't really say anything. The only news, to most, is that JHF (or more to the point his manager) put contract talks on hold. That's it. He then went off on the tangent that Noble was a mean guy and four top ten players had re-signed which is all designed to make the reader jump to their own conclusions.

Flip side, this is how Jon Ralph reported it in the Herald Sun (apologies mods if this is too much copy paste but it's to make a point):

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Number one overall pick Jason Horne-Francis has put contract talks on hold until season’s end despite his encouraging progress in his debut season.
Horne-Francis is in no hurry to sign a new deal after crossing from Adelaide last year but has another year in his two-season deal and is thriving at the club.

Many of the players taken in the previous draft are yet to re-sign so the lack of a signature so far is no cause for concern.

If he was in a similar position next year the Roos would be worried about rival suitors.

But while Horne-Francis is a born competitor who is filthy with the club’s lack of wins so far he is enjoying his time at the club.

The Roos had believed they were making strong progress on a new deal earlier in the season but for now he will not consider his deal until the season is done.

Horne-Francis has enjoyed an excellent season full of brilliant moments but the one-win Roos have been battered from pillar to post on field.

Horne-Francis has kicked 1.3 in his eight games and amassed 149 possessions, with 85 of them contested.


Those close to him are content with his progress and adamant his future lies at the club.

But as the Roos process the public fallout of David Noble’s apology to players for his round 3 behaviour they will have to wait on his deal.

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Both articles are giving the exact same news however one rushed out to link it to current woes and Wreck-It looks like he's taken some time to get some opinion. And even if there's a bit of a puff up for North readers the perspective changes completely. It's not about JHF wanting to leave, it's about how much more lucrative the next deal may look after another half season. Williams did the exact same thing with Logan McDonald and that was shown on the Stan documentary about last years draft.

 

[Rich01]

You have to convince him to come play for you and assuming you could get him, there wouldn't be much else coming with him.

Yep. And as good as Butters is, him
leaving Port wouldn’t tear the heart out of the club like JHF leaving North.

North have to do everything they can to keep the kid and convince him to stay. If they can’t, they may as well just pack up shop.

 

[Foucault1989]

Whatever happened to Snake Baker? Would love to get his take considering how respectful he was when discussing contract and trading of other players.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Mmmm...not sure the bolded would be even close to accurate, lol. That is not the 'best midfield in the country' - even with JHF in it. There's 4 off the top of my head, way ahead of that collective -

1st - Bulldogs: English, Bont, Macrae, B. Smith, Dunkley, Treloar, L. Hunter, Libba
2nd - Demons: Gawn, Jackson, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Harmes, Langdon, Brayshaw
3rd - GWS: Preuss, J. Kelly, T. Green, Coniglio, Taranto, Whitfield, Ash, Ward, Hopper
4th - Carlton: T. De Koning, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, M. Kennedy, Fisher

Long way to go before you can make that sort of claim - even if it is just to market the club as a prospective destination.

Where would you rate Darcy Fyfe brayshaw mundy serong and Brodie

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Whatever happened to Snake Baker? Would love to get his take considering how respectful he was when discussing contract and trading of other players.

He can be found changing the world one tweet at a time on another network.