Traded Jason Horne-Francis [to Port Adelaide in multi-club trade]

[philthy05]

Are GWS looking to use picks 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19 purely for the draft? Or do they want to get some players in via trade?

Maybe we could upgrade pick 33 or 43 for one those later picks and offer up Byrne-Jones or Bonner?

We genuinely need to trade away a player for 2nd round. Can't see it happening another way.

Hayes, Drew, Bonner, DBJ, Farrell. DBJ with most value in that lot perhaps as an All-Australian and club BnF although he was off it best this year. I know he just resigned but yeah either him or Drew

In all seriousness North have actually done fine out of this deal. So have West Coast. GWS showed up, bent over and handed over the lube to make it work for everyone else, and I salute them for it.

Yeah I think north have done well. What more can you hope for to get for a player that wants out than a similar pick + a future 1st on top. That’s a good deal.

Also west coast, despite people knocking them to get out of pick 2 and the private school vic boys and into hewett territory , whose not far behind, if at all those vic boys plus get another pick. That’s good for them.

Ports given up a lot, but the fact we get future 2nds and 3rds back helps a lot,

In the end rozee butters jhf Bergman sinn to look forward too in our midfield.

I really rate that group of players as a future midfield. High end young talent there.

 

[The 747]

Massive hypothetical as I don’t think this is even in the realms of possibility but what could North get for him at the end of this season?

Pick 1ish

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Pick 1ish

Yeah, at least 2 first rounders.

 

[Rich01]

Not going anywhere. North will be great in 3-4 years and he will be a big reason why.

Will they though?

Who are the players that in 3-4 years will be in the prime of their careers?
Guys like Oliver, Petracca, Gawn, Viney, May, Lever were all very good 3-4 years before they won a flag. Same with Dusty, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Rance.

Melbourne and Richmond (along with many other premiership teams recently) had the templates for success. They had a good core that was coming into their prime and showed a lot even a few years out.

Who are Norths comparable players?

North are Carlton circa 2016 if they are lucky. And Carlton are a couple of years away from hitting their peak. Or Melbourne 2013 could be comparable list wise.

They are a long, long way way from success. Relying on JHF to lead that team to glory in 3-4 years isn’t realistic.

 

[Bald]

Pick 1ish

Okay. So furthering on from that. Surely if he’s showing any signs at all of a lack of commitment you just do it if there’s a deal like that on the table. Go to the draft with picks 1 and 2 and hope to god it doesn’t happen again.

 

[juss]

Okay. So furthering on from that. Surely if he’s showing any signs at all of a lack of commitment you just do it if there’s a deal like that on the table. Go to the draft with picks 1 and 2 and hope to god it doesn’t happen again.

That would basically mean trading with the Eagles for pick 1 or 2 for example.
Would JHF even want to go there?

IMO this isn't about JHF wanting out, it's about JHF wanting to get as much money as he can from North, which he will, given their desperation to keep him and the fact they will have cap room as their a building side, not an established contender.

There's honestly nothing to see here IMO, other than JHF will get another 100-200k a year than if he signed now.

 

[The 747]

Okay. So furthering on from that. Surely if he’s showing any signs at all of a lack of commitment you just do it if there’s a deal like that on the table. Go to the draft with picks 1 and 2 and hope to god it doesn’t happen again.

Well they will have pick 1 anyway, they are likely to have also have pick 2 (just for the WC lols). If you could add massive loot from JHF to that.....they could also grab some strong AFL players via massive trade assets to protect the kids....I would do it but I am not North.

 

[Shermanator]

This is Edmunds style.

Did a similar thing last year with Jamarra, tried to create a story out of nothing about the potential of him leaving. It's following the same pattern, I'm sure when JHF signs an extension, Edmund will say he never said he was leaving even though he has been trying to lead readers/listener that way.

It's conveniently timed clickbait and everyone has fallen for it - even the Adelaide Advertiser jumped on board haha.. Slammin Sammy E must be rubbing his knob with the bonuses he's going to get from all the sheep clicking on his open-ended shit scoops..

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Yeah, at least 2 first rounders.

If Adelaide are desperate to grab, they would have to give up Rachele and another 1st round pick (at least)

Ditto a similar deal Port with Butters.

They need proven young talent along with another high pick if they were to lose JH-F.

North shouldn't settle for anything else.

Mind you, fairly sure we are Carlton are going to have a massive crack at Rachele too.

In the very unlikely event he leaves, a couple of 1st round picks alone just won't cut it. (Least if I was North's list manager)

 

[Crow till I die]

If Adelaide are desperate to grab, they would have to give up Rachele and another 1st round pick (at least)

Ditto a similar deal Port with Butters.

They need proven young talent along with another high pick if they were to lose JH-F.

North shouldn't settle for anything else.

Mind you, fairly sure we are Carlton are going to have a massive crack at Rachele too.

In the very unlikely event he leaves, a couple of 1st round picks alone just won't cut it. (Least if I was North's list manager)

To be honest, Rachele is too good to give up imo. He, Thilthorpe and Dawson would be the 3 absolute untouchables we have from my perspective. Anyway, its a moot point as North are no chance at all of letting him go after a year even if he actually did want out. Then if he goes off contract, its a different game but I would think Port would be absolute front runners there IF it every eventuated - and the kid himself grew up a Freo fan so why would they not be a chance either

 

[Taylor]

If JHF said he wanted to be traded to Adelaide at the end of the season there is no ability of North to decide which players they take from the Crows to facilitate that exchange. The player has to consent.

The Kangaroos just don't agree to it. It's not like he is spending some time away from football for personal reasons. When those articles start to come out then North should be worried they are about to be robbed.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

To be honest, Rachele is too good to give up imo. He, Thilthorpe and Dawson would be the 3 absolute untouchables we have from my perspective. Anyway, its a moot point as North are no chance at all of letting him go after a year even if he actually did want out. Then if he goes off contract, its a different game but I would think Port would be absolute front runners there IF it every eventuated - and the kid himself grew up a Freo fan so why would they not be a chance either

In the very unlikely event JH-F wanted to go home at the end of this season, that is who North should realistically ask for, as well as another first rounder or two.

Actually I forgot Rachele re-signed at the Crows, so scratch that (congrats btw)

I do feel like North need quality, established youth along with picks if JH-F wants to go.

Your cupboard is pretty bare in that regard, although they need a KPD and McEasy is a disappointment so far.

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

This thread is too good. I love reading through the conspiracies and the trade hypotheticals that will lead to nothing

 

[Adz2332]

what did adelaide offer North that they turned down?

 

[The Nostradamus]

what did adelaide offer North that they turned down?

Pick 6 (Rachele) and a future first In this draft

Plus a swap of picks that would have cancelled each other out

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

what did adelaide offer North that they turned down?

From memory it was our first (Rachele), Melbourne's 2022 first round pick (that we used to trade for Dawson), and our 2022 first round draft pick, with Norths 2022 second round pick coming back the other way.

Rachele, Dawson and pick 5 for JHF and pick 20, based on current ladder. Not sure that deal's back on the table.

 

[Outtatym]

He was very friendly with our team on the weekend.

Grow up following Fyfe and the Dockers.

1 + 1 = 10

I'm always friendly after I get ****ed too.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Massive hypothetical as I don’t think this is even in the realms of possibility but what could North get for him at the end of this season?

Adelaide+Ports first+ another top 10 pick

They aint getting anything better then Horne this year, may as well get the farm for him

 

[Bald]

Adelaide+Ports first+ another top 10 pick

They aint getting anything better then Horne this year, may as well get the farm for him

Just curious, he's an absolute jet but would he or those first rounders + what they'll end up with this year help them for the future more, especially IF there's absolutely any chance he's not committed to the club.

I don't think for a second it would happen, just an interesting situation.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Just curious, he's an absolute jet but would he or those first rounders + what they'll end up with this year help them for the future more, especially IF there's absolutely any chance he's not committed to the club.

I don't think for a second it would happen, just an interesting situation.

Not for Francis. Who's going to be an elite midfielder. If you got Duursma+ top 8 pick and a future, yes it fleshes out the list a bit more, but you take a potential champion player then some depth.

 

[Bald]

Not for Francis. Who's going to be an elite midfielder. If you got Duursma+ top 8 pick and a future, yes it fleshes out the list a bit more, but you take a potential champion player then some depth.

Yeah can understand that logic. Do you think North are at a point where they require quantity over quality though? That was more my thinking. They need say, 3 or 4 good to great players as opposed to one out and out star. Eh doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Crow till I die]

Adelaide+Ports first+ another top 10 pick

They aint getting anything better then Horne this year, may as well get the farm for him

Ha..I'd love to actually see that in application. I think if hypothetically JHF said I want Port and it required Port getting Adelaide's 1st to lock in a deal, I think Adelaide would demand more for the pick than North were asking for JHF considering who would be doing the asking

 

[Unique Name]

They can afford it, but getting bent over by a 1st year player isn't a great look.

I reckon he could ask for a mill a year and North would pay it.

 

[Adz2332]

Pick 6 (Rachele) and a future first In this draft

Plus a swap of picks that would have cancelled each other out

From memory it was our first (Rachele), Melbourne's 2022 first round pick (that we used to trade for Dawson), and our 2022 first round draft pick, with Norths 2022 second round pick coming back the other way.

Rachele, Dawson and pick 5 for JHF and pick 20, based on current ladder. Not sure that deal's back on the table.

Cheers!

Will be interesting if, and i know its a big if, he asks to be traded at some point. If the gamble of selecting him pays off or were they better to take that trade.

 

[Foucault1989]

Pick 6 (Rachele) and a future first In this draft

Plus a swap of picks that would have cancelled each other out

That's a pretty good offer.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Will they though?

Who are the players that in 3-4 years will be in the prime of their careers?
Guys like Oliver, Petracca, Gawn, Viney, May, Lever were all very good 3-4 years before they won a flag. Same with Dusty, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Rance.

Melbourne and Richmond (along with many other premiership teams recently) had the templates for success. They had a good core that was coming into their prime and showed a lot even a few years out.

Who are Norths comparable players?

North are Carlton circa 2016 if they are lucky. And Carlton are a couple of years away from hitting their peak. Or Melbourne 2013 could be comparable list wise.

They are a long, long way way from success. Relying on JHF to lead that team to glory in 3-4 years isn’t realistic.

I honestly don't think quality youngsters is North's biggest issue.

Davis-Uniacke, Thomas, Zurhaar, Taylor, Scott, McKay, JHF etc all have the potential to be that top end core if they're provided with enough solid role players around them. I'm not sure about Powell, Phillips, Mahoney, Xerri, and a few other youngsters making it, but there's plenty to work with in the right system.