Player Watch Jordan De Goey

[What is a cakewalk]

Eddie would have accidentally thrown himself under the bus and thus taken the focus off Jordy.

"It happens all the time, youre in the club and you go to tap your friend on the shoulder to see if she wants a drink, you accidentally pull her top down. I'm proud of jordy if anything for demonstrating that all this "boy's club" stuff is rubbsih, just shows how far we've come since the inception of aflw"

 

[Markfs]

I agree with you, but at the same time JDG will be reprimanded by he club and needs to understand that his behaviour outside the club can have an impact on the reputation of his employer and he needs to be more careful. I've worked in schools where I'd be reprimanded or probably sacked if videos like that got circulated in the school community, as it would cause parental complaints and affect the bottom line. That's the reality of Jordy's job. So I do think he will and should be reprimanded internally, but he should be defended publically, as what you are saying is a more important principle. And you just cannot encourage this sort of media harassment of personal lives.

I wouldnt argue that footballers are having their freedoms affected more and more by the demands of their employers. This is the reality. The only protection that the mug worker has is that he might be living it up in bali and no one knows who he is. The players dont have that advantage.

However, if teachers were doing something that came back to their schools, it is very likely that they will be spoken too and maybe even sacked. No doubt about it.

People can no longer talk about their work on facebook or similar, if it reflects badly on their employer. They cant say things about their boss unless they can prove it to be true.

Meanwhile those that own the businesses scoot off to their beaches in the south of france or sail their yachts around the greek islands and fly in prostitutes from russia to cater to their needs. This is how the world works. Players are working for the AFL and that sets the agenda....

 

[JB1975]

I've done some research, and I think it'd be wise for the club to hire me as Jordan's personal Etiquette Advisor.

Some social/cultural history suggests that Master De Goey has much to learn:

Rule 1: When gentlemen converse with ladies, they should avoid topics such as politics, science or commerce, and instead choose topics that ladies are likely to be interested in.

I think that the young man might be persuaded from the topics of politics, science and commerce.

Rule 2: In the morning, wear frock coats, double-breasted waist coats and trousers of light or dark colours, depending on the season. A coat should never be too well fitted. It is better that the clothes appear to belong to the man, rather than the man appearing to belong to the clothes. Evening dress should always be black. A black cravat can be worn with full dress, but a white one is more elegant.

Master De Goey will need to be convinced that bathrobes are designed to perform and very particular and relatively narrow function.

Rule 3: No gentleman should ask a lady to dance unless he has previously met her acquaintance. An introduction can be arranged through the Master of Ceremonies or through the lady of the house or a member of her family. Should a lady be approached by a man to whom she has not been introduced, she should reply that she would accept his invitation with pleasure if he would first procure an introduction.

He must learn, the notion that you simply approach and directly speak to a woman who is unknown to you will no longer be tolerated. Gestures to suggest cunnilingus should also be reconsidered.

Rule 4: No gentleman should attend a ball unless he can dance. When dancing with a lady he should be careful not to injure her dress, for delicate skirts are easily torn. A gentleman should escort his last partner to supper, wait on her there, and afterwards escort her back to the ballroom.

Most of this rule depends upon mastering the first element: the gentleman must learn to dance (pronounced 'darnce'). Can't bust moves? Stay home, Master De Goey.

Once you are a Lord of Dance, we will then think more seriously about the remainder of rule no. 4.

Victorian Etiquette

Victorian Etiquette, Routledge's Manual of Etiquette for Ladies and Gentlemen and a guide to the Ballroom

www.thesocialhistorian.com

 

[NMBB]

Eddie would have accidentally thrown himself under the bus and thus taken the focus off Jordy.

Eddie would have flown to Bali to sort everything out but ended up at a full moon party in Phuket.

 

[biggiemediums]

This thread has literally made me lose respect for half this board unfortunately.

A bunch of absolute nuffies literally trying to lower someone's happiness in life.

 

[Visions]

De Goey deserved everything that came his way with the New York incident, no doubt about that.

When this Bali news story hit, I thought he fcuked up in a major way again the way the media have harped on about it. Turns out he hasn't done jack sh!t yet gets the attention from the whores that are the media pack and the left PC brigade.

De Goey should have snorted a line of coke off the stomach of his female friend just to give everyone something to talk about. That would have been a story!

 

[parano1a]

$10,000 fine for De Goey donated to a women's charity would suffice.

 

[Finnishpie]

If it is a reprimand, what are they reprimanding him for?

He was permitted to go to Bali.
He is permitted to drink on bye week.
He is permitted to dance and make dirty gestures.
He is permitted to post video of himself on social media.

Is it for a hand that may have belonged to him (and may not) pulling at a woman’s top? How do you even word that, and what’s the burden of proof as far as the AFLPA are concerned?

I honestly don’t see how it meets the standard required to reprimand anybody, and frankly I’d just take [mention]jmac70 [/mention]’s tack of leading with “hey Jordy, how was Bali?”.

The club recognizes that J degoey’s behavior was not the standards the club want to uphold….

 

[76woodenspooners]

Well said. Although I wouldn’t necessarily say he has not prioritised performance. A couple of days on the sauce doesn’t do any harm over the course of a season.

And for some players(guessing Jordy is one) they can benefit from the mental reset that a few days away can give. Sadly, he is now going to cop some unnecessary attention.

Shame the media don’t highlight the time he spent at a specialist school footy clinic or taking time out with a kid whose mum has MND. Both of which happened in the week before QB. Wonder if any of the hand wringers have done similar recently?


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Maybe sone of the interest is driven by the belief (rightly or wrongly) that DeGoey isn’t getting the best out of himself, that he is capable of more?

Maybe some of those who are complaining are really lamenting their own regrets about not realising their own potential?

The thing is, we’re all living our own lives in our own way. So much of capability and potential is between the ears. There’s a real possibility that if DeGoey was a robot like Scott Pendlebury that he wouldn’t be half the player he is today.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Maybe sone of the interest is driven by the belief (rightly or wrongly) that DeGoey isn’t getting the best out of himself, that he is capable of more?

Maybe some of those who are complaining are really lamenting their own regrets about not realising their own potential?

The thing is, we’re all living our own lives in our own way. So much of capability and potential is between the ears. There’s a real possibility that if DeGoey was a robot like Scott Pendlebury that he wouldn’t be half the player he is today.

Imo he is an ok midfielder not a very good one. H3 doesn't dominate games as a mid like the good ones do.

As a forward he can win games but he isn't a forward anymore.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I actually agree with you on needing support and protection and the media going too far. I would add mentoring and guidance. I just don’t think he helps himself and that then impacts on more than just him.

Mentoring and guidance only works if the individual is open to it and sees a point to it.

And I would imagine that even at the height of the pandemic and with the tight soft cap squeeze, he would have access to far far more mentoring and guidance than your average 20 something would …

… if he wanted it.

The reality is that this incident will impact the length and terms of his contract offer. Bringing the club into disrepute does have a commercial impact. It will also likely impact the terms of offers from other clubs.

Whatever people think of this incident, it reinforces his risk profile in the way that being filmed on a study tour of the temples of Kyoto wouldn’t have.

 

[Anzacday]

$10,000 fine for De Goey donated to a women's charity would suffice.

I read what Damo wrote and then your post and thought yep, that’s about right.
Then thought, what exactly are we fining him for?
AFPLA sanctioned break, Club and Manager sanctioned destination.
Bali is a fun/party destination and he did.
Edit: Now that I’ve moved our posts to the right thread, I’m not alone

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Maybe sone of the interest is driven by the belief (rightly or wrongly) that DeGoey isn’t getting the best out of himself, that he is capable of more?

Maybe some of those who are complaining are really lamenting their own regrets about not realising their own potential?

The thing is, we’re all living our own lives in our own way. So much of capability and potential is between the ears. There’s a real possibility that if DeGoey was a robot like Scott Pendlebury that he wouldn’t be half the player he is today.

You think DeGoey is a very good player because of his mindset? If Pendles had DeGoeys physical attributes he would be the greatest player in the game.

 

[76woodenspooners]

You think DeGoey is a very good player because of his mindset? If Pendles had DeGoeys physical attributes he would be the greatest player in the game.

If you cross Pendlebury’s mindset with DeGoey’s physical attributes who knows what kind of Frankenstein monster you’d be creating? You’d probably end up with an aid worker or real estate agent or doctor or some such.

 

[Gone Critical]

I agree with you, but at the same time JDG will be reprimanded by he club and needs to understand that his behaviour outside the club can have an impact on the reputation of his employer and he needs to be more careful. I've worked in schools where I'd be reprimanded or probably sacked if videos like that got circulated in the school community, as it would cause parental complaints and affect the bottom line. That's the reality of Jordy's job. So I do think he will and should be reprimanded internally, but he should be defended publically, as what you are saying is a more important principle. And you just cannot encourage this sort of media harassment of personal lives.

I understand I am being unrealistic to hope that the club would overlook perception and commonsense because PR and the sponsors view will rule. The AFL players as an industrial force are a weak and bullied group which ends up being why the clubs push their players around so easily. Also a lot of the public perceives them as overpaid and lucky men and there is also a bit of a jealousy thing that runs through it with the punters wanting to see gratitude and subservience for the benefits the players have.

Poor bloody teachers though. I would hope your unions would have had more backbone and stand up for their members. Maybe teachers need some discreet cameras at some of the school parent events. I can remember plenty of them getting a bit loose and a few parents going right off. Seriously though I look at what proper professional peak bodies and unions do and they are not paper tiger like the AFLPA. As an example is mine, the medicos. If someone has a addiction problem, and that would be a real problem , not a Lachie Keefe/Josh Thomas one, there isnt automatic suspension, there isnt naming and shaming. There is a mature response to get the person help, keep them working if possible and monitor going forward. That would be for a turning up at work stoned type senario or forged scripts for listed drugs senario. APHRA has no interest in drug tests out of hours or pursuing a doc who smoked a joint or took some pills on their own time.

The AFL just want to manage these kids lives to the nth degree and it backfires all the time

 

[Seedsfan]

I agree with you, but at the same time JDG will be reprimanded by he club and needs to understand that his behaviour outside the club can have an impact on the reputation of his employer and he needs to be more careful. I've worked in schools where I'd be reprimanded or probably sacked if videos like that got circulated in the school community, as it would cause parental complaints and affect the bottom line. That's the reality of Jordy's job. So I do think he will and should be reprimanded internally, but he should be defended publically, as what you are saying is a more important principle. And you just cannot encourage this sort of media harassment of personal lives.

And if you were a teacher you wouldn’t have people stalking your mates Insta to try and sell shit to the news.

 

[sideswipe]

I understand I am being unrealistic to hope that the club would overlook perception and commonsense because PR and the sponsors view will rule. The AFL players as an industrial force are a weak and bullied group which ends up being why the clubs push their players around so easily. Also a lot of the public perceives them as overpaid and lucky men and there is also a bit of a jealousy thing that runs through it with the punters wanting to see gratitude and subservience for the benefits the players have.

Poor bloody teachers though. I would hope your unions would have had more backbone and stand up for their members. Maybe teachers need some discreet cameras at some of the school parent events. I can remember plenty of them getting a bit loose and a few parents going right off. Seriously though I look at what proper professional peak bodies and unions do and they are not paper tiger like the AFLPA. As an example is mine, the medicos. If someone has a addiction problem, and that would be a real problem , not a Lachie Keefe/Josh Thomas one, there isnt automatic suspension, there isnt naming and shaming. There is a mature response to get the person help, keep them working if possible and monitor going forward. That would be for a turning up at work stoned type senario or forged scripts for listed drugs senario. APHRA has no interest in drug tests out of hours or pursuing a doc who smoked a joint or took some pills on their own time.

The AFL just want to manage these kids lives to the nth degree and it backfires all the time

Probably a better comparison is other sporting player unions? Would be great if the AFL came out and said we have looked at it, no problems here. But if they say that, then the headline will be “Does the AFL have a problem with women?”

So the play might be to say nothing. The Club will have to say something given they have already said they are looking at it.


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[gouki88]

$10,000 fine for De Goey donated to a women's charity would suffice.

Suffice for what?

 

[sideswipe]

Suffice for what?

I believe you will find that on the MRO’s guidelines for Too Much Fun in Nightclubs. Intentional contact to the torso, low impact, consensual.


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[jathanas]

I'd lose a bit of faith in the leadership of the club if he was publicly fined. That's not supporting/educating him, it's a PR move.

 

[stormskye]

it’s completely disgusting and expected that degoey having some fun is getting more media attention than another clubs player doing illicit drugs. Absolute disgrace. Personally think we should all stop giving it any oxygen in this thread. Kids done nothing wrong. I won’t be commenting on it again. I’m out. I think we all should let it die as it should.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Suffice for what?

Exactly

What is the criminal, social, or industrial problem we are seeking to solve here?

Consenting, legal, public displays of sexuality is a preference

Paying 10k to a charity sends a message we have yielded to confected outrage

Edit: people don’t have a human right to never be offended

 

[NMBB]

Exactly

What is the criminal, social, or industrial problem we are seeking to solve here?

Consenting, legal, public displays of sexuality is a preference

Paying 10k to a charity sends a message we have yielded to confected outrage

We should fine the media for creating a tsunami of bullsh*t and distracting law abiding citizens from normal, productive activity.
$250,000 seems reasonable.

 

[ant22]

Slight change of topic.

What would everyone offer Jordy.

Id pay $600 a year for 2 years with strong behavioural conditions attached. Ability to earn Max 750k with incentives.

 

[Horaceg]

I would like the Club to come out and say yes we have spoken with Jordy and leave it there.

the media would spac