Player Watch Jordan De Goey

[TheGreatGrundy]

Maybe sone of the interest is driven by the belief (rightly or wrongly) that DeGoey isn’t getting the best out of himself, that he is capable of more?

Maybe some of those who are complaining are really lamenting their own regrets about not realising their own potential?

The thing is, we’re all living our own lives in our own way. So much of capability and potential is between the ears. There’s a real possibility that if DeGoey was a robot like Scott Pendlebury that he wouldn’t be half the player he is today.

Lamenting the non realisation of my potential consumes a large slice of my day.

 

[Gone Critical]

$10,000 fine for De Goey donated to a women's charity would suffice.

Interesting. We are so desensitised to reality around footballers people will routinely suggest a $10000 fine for doing nothing wrong and not see the huge impost that is. $10000 is a huge sum of money. I would be devestated to receive a $1000 dollar fine for a minor offence but $10K for nothing. This is nuts. No where else that I can think of do we see suggestions of huge financial punishments for minor offences or in this case no offence at all.

 

[gouki88]

Exactly

What is the criminal, social, or industrial problem we are seeking to solve here?

Consenting, legal, public displays of sexuality is a preference

Paying 10k to a charity sends a message we have yielded to confected outrage

Edit: people don’t have a human right to never be offended

This is the bit that is really grinding with me. All involved parties have come out and said it was all consented behaviour. It is incredibly demeaning that some of the people who have gone rabid about this seem to think the woman, apparently, has neither agency nor the ability to think for herself.

I get that going off to some island to blow off some steam (legally!!!) isn't everyone's cup of tea, but FMD this has become quite absurd. I hope more people start taking it to the abundant gutter journalists (thanks Bevo) involved in AFL media, and the media more generally in this country.

 

[sideswipe]

Lamenting the non realisation of my potential consumes a large slice of my day.

Could be worse. Imagine being where you are thinking you had realised your full potential?

 

[sideswipe]

This is the bit that is really grinding with me. All involved parties have come out and said it was all consented behaviour. It is incredibly demeaning that some of the people who have gone rabid about this seem to think the woman, apparently, has neither agency nor the ability to think for herself.

I get that going off to some island to blow off some steam (legally!!!) isn't everyone's cup of tea, but FMD this has become quite absurd. I hope more people start taking it to the abundant gutter journalists (thanks Bevo) involved in AFL media, and the media more generally in this country.

Just though I would listen to Gerard Whateley on SEN. He is usually sensible. On this one, he has the pitchfork out, saying De Goey is now "unrecruitable" to other clubs. Unbelievable.

 

[gouki88]

Just though I would listen to Gerard Whateley on SEN. He is usually sensible. On this one, he has the pitchfork out, saying De Goey is now "unrecruitable" to other clubs. Unbelievable.

Pretty sure he's not said a word about his beloved Cats recruiting Tyson Stengle. Curious

 

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Pretty sure he's not said a word about his beloved Cats recruiting Tyson Stengle. Curious

good point.

 

[NMBB]

Slight change of topic.

What would everyone offer Jordy.

Id pay $600 a year for 2 years with strong behavioural conditions attached. Ability to earn Max 750k with incentives.

Plus compulsory dancing classes

 

[Stoods]

Literally can not believe this is still a talking point, media are absolute jokes, Bailey Smith

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86kg

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3.8

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2.7

4star

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19.8

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9.6

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10.2

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1.8

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and May/Melksham didn't get this much air time. If we suspend him il be pissed off with the club for caving in.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Plus compulsory dancing classes

Waste of money, he’s beyond hope

 

[sr36]

I'd be curious as to how independent the opinions of AFL media are. Barrett works for them and his article that JDG shouldn't get suspended is a good sign I think.

 

[MyManLynch]

Just though I would listen to Gerard Whateley on SEN. He is usually sensible. On this one, he has the pitchfork out, saying De Goey is now "unrecruitable" to other clubs. Unbelievable.

I assume he was referring to ‘Dancing with the Stars’.

 

[sr36]

I understand I am being unrealistic to hope that the club would overlook perception and commonsense because PR and the sponsors view will rule. The AFL players as an industrial force are a weak and bullied group which ends up being why the clubs push their players around so easily. Also a lot of the public perceives them as overpaid and lucky men and there is also a bit of a jealousy thing that runs through it with the punters wanting to see gratitude and subservience for the benefits the players have.

Poor bloody teachers though. I would hope your unions would have had more backbone and stand up for their members. Maybe teachers need some discreet cameras at some of the school parent events. I can remember plenty of them getting a bit loose and a few parents going right off. Seriously though I look at what proper professional peak bodies and unions do and they are not paper tiger like the AFLPA. As an example is mine, the medicos. If someone has a addiction problem, and that would be a real problem , not a Lachie Keefe/Josh Thomas one, there isnt automatic suspension, there isnt naming and shaming. There is a mature response to get the person help, keep them working if possible and monitor going forward. That would be for a turning up at work stoned type senario or forged scripts for listed drugs senario. APHRA has no interest in drug tests out of hours or pursuing a doc who smoked a joint or took some pills on their own time.

The AFL just want to manage these kids lives to the nth degree and it backfires all the time

In terms of teachers I'm talking international. In the Australian government system you'd be fine. Australian private system, which is mostly religiously affiliated, you'd be in a spot of bother.

 

[KinderSmock]

How many young men and women go to a club or pub in Bali or Australia and touch each other, quite consensually, for a little bit of fun? De Goey, to our knowledge, was not using drugs, he was not bashing someone up, he was not doing anything illegal beyond having a few drinks with a woman. If more details emerge, then it's a different kettle of fish, but we cannot advocate for the removal of all sexual touching in public if it is consensual. Should it not be consensual, then that's wrong but two consenting adults is a completely different story.

 

[MyManLynch]

How many young men and women go to a club or pub in Bali or Australia and touch each other, quite consensually, for a little bit of fun? De Goey, to our knowledge, was not using drugs, he was not bashing someone up, he was not doing anything illegal beyond having a few drinks with a woman. If more details emerge, then it's a different kettle of fish, but we cannot advocate for the removal of all sexual touching in public if it is consensual. Should it not be consensual, then that's wrong but two consenting adults is a completely different story.

The Club should insist he go to Saudi Arabia for his next end of season trip.

 

[KinderSmock]

The Club should insist he go to Saudi Arabia for his next end of season trip.

Complete tour of the Middle East, capped off with the World Cup Final in Qatar.

 

[Pera]

How many young men and women go to a club or pub in Bali or Australia and touch each other, quite consensually, for a little bit of fun? De Goey, to our knowledge, was not using drugs, he was not bashing someone up, he was not doing anything illegal beyond having a few drinks with a woman. If more details emerge, then it's a different kettle of fish, but we cannot advocate for the removal of all sexual touching in public if it is consensual. Should it not be consensual, then that's wrong but two consenting adults is a completely different story.

If you wanna be d*ckhead and you have priors, then at least have the brains to not do stupid shit and actually record it.

He should be fined and suspended out of sheer stupidty.

The club put alot of trust and faith into granting him the opportunity to go overseas and enjoy himself over the bye week and he literally turned around and spat in their face.

If this woman had come out yesterday and said she was drunk and taken advantage of then his career would be over.

 

[DKS17]

this thread

If you wanna be d*ckhead and you have priors, then at least have the brains to not do stupid s**t and actually record it.

He should be fined and suspended out of sheer stupidty.

The club put alot of trust and faith into granting him the opportunity to go overseas and enjoy himself over the bye week and he literally turned around and spat in their face.

If this woman had come out yesterday and said she was drunk and taken advantage of then his career would be over.

but she didnt so...

 

[sideswipe]

Luke Hodge on SEN - a breath of fresh air - just analysed it perfectly. He was allowed by the Club to go over there, all the players drink on their break, he didn't do anything wrong, no police involvement or anything like that. The only thing the leadership group can say is that going forward, you need to be a bit smarter.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Just though I would listen to Gerard Whateley on SEN. He is usually sensible. On this one, he has the pitchfork out, saying De Goey is now "unrecruitable" to other clubs. Unbelievable.

Yeah, and that’s why Whateley would never make it as a coach or list manager

Malthouse, Matthews, Sheedy, Hardwick, Jeans, and Clarkson all managed bad player behaviour

They’d say stay off the video Jordy, we don’t need the distraction

 

[Pera]

this thread

but she didnt so...

Not the point and if you can't see that then you can't be persuaded.

The fact he even put himself in that position where it COULD have happened it just plain stupidity.

Oh and hey, let's record it on our iPhone for good measure.

 

[Markfs]

I understand I am being unrealistic to hope that the club would overlook perception and commonsense because PR and the sponsors view will rule. The AFL players as an industrial force are a weak and bullied group which ends up being why the clubs push their players around so easily. Also a lot of the public perceives them as overpaid and lucky men and there is also a bit of a jealousy thing that runs through it with the punters wanting to see gratitude and subservience for the benefits the players have.

Poor bloody teachers though. I would hope your unions would have had more backbone and stand up for their members. Maybe teachers need some discreet cameras at some of the school parent events. I can remember plenty of them getting a bit loose and a few parents going right off. Seriously though I look at what proper professional peak bodies and unions do and they are not paper tiger like the AFLPA. As an example is mine, the medicos. If someone has a addiction problem, and that would be a real problem , not a Lachie Keefe/Josh Thomas one, there isnt automatic suspension, there isnt naming and shaming. There is a mature response to get the person help, keep them working if possible and monitor going forward. That would be for a turning up at work stoned type senario or forged scripts for listed drugs senario. APHRA has no interest in drug tests out of hours or pursuing a doc who smoked a joint or took some pills on their own time.

The AFL just want to manage these kids lives to the nth degree and it backfires all the time

most unions or representative bodies are only as strong as their members, and how their members are perceived in the community. Warfies werent respected much in the community but they have a high level of solidarity. Doctors are a bit different and rely more on public respect. Footballers are ambivalent to their union and I dont think they would be looked upon favourably by the public if they took action to support de goey. Even at club level, I'm not sure what the other players would feel about de goey's behaviour...... you could argue that if the pies did sanction de goey, it might be with the tacit agreement of the rest of the list..... or there might be a feeling that he should be allowed to live his life.

To me, its not a question of whether a player is represented well by a union, it has more to do with what we expect of people when they are away from their job. i think most people would think that de goey is stupid to do this, that it indicates a lack of professionalism etc etc, and that might have an impact on the level of money his manager can negotiate in a deal - and all of those things are legitimate. However i dont think he's done anything where he has broken the law or hurt someone in any way. We are now punishing players for being involved in collisions that they have no control over, other than actually playing the game, and I think most of us dont like it. However we see the link between these collisions and concussion. De goey isn't an innocent here but I just dont see how punishing him is going to improve the population's attitude towards women. The link is ridiculously tenuous and it takes de goey's role as a role model to ridiculous levels.

 

[gouki88]

If you wanna be d*ckhead and you have priors, then at least have the brains to not do stupid s**t and actually record it.

He should be fined and suspended out of sheer stupidty.

The club put alot of trust and faith into granting him the opportunity to go overseas and enjoy himself over the bye week and he literally turned around and spat in their face.

If this woman had come out yesterday and said she was drunk and taken advantage of then his career would be over.

Congratulations on figuring out what consent is.

 

[Pera]

Congratulations on figuring out what consent is.

Thankyou?

 

[Gone Critical]

In terms of teachers I'm talking international. In the Australian government system you'd be fine. Australian private system, which is mostly religiously affiliated, you'd be in a spot of bother.

I doubt with the Micks you would be. Sinning then repenting and being cleared of said sins is raison d'etre