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The contract is the same, though. They get paid the same, there are no restrictions on them playing, it doesn't make any difference to either player if they get elevated this year or next.
Some years, there is a very good reason to shift players from Senior List to Rookie List and vice versa. Those conditions don't seem to exist for us this year.
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At this stage I'm thinking that the list changes will be minimal.
Delist: E. Curnow (thanks for your service), Newnes, Fogarty, Williamson, Parks (r), Hayes (r)
Promote: Owies
Trade in: Sholl
Potentially delist MacDonald and let him do a pre-season proving his recovery before re-listing him.
From there if we get an offer too good to refuse for a fringe player we could do a trade. Otherwise we take two picks this year. Given we are only taking two draft picks we could potentially try to improve our second pick position or trade up higher next year.
Delist: E. Curnow (thanks for your service), Newnes, Fogarty, Williamson, Parks (r), Hayes (r)
Promote: Owies
Trade in: Sholl
Potentially delist MacDonald and let him do a pre-season proving his recovery before re-listing him.
From there if we get an offer too good to refuse for a fringe player we could do a trade. Otherwise we take two picks this year. Given we are only taking two draft picks we could potentially try to improve our second pick position or trade up higher next year.
You're forgetting Jones, but let's say he's replaced by Sholl.
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Owies is Cat-B - he doesn't free up one of the 8 spots on the rookie list when he is upgraded.
Why would you do that?
Not simple at all.
The other issue will be list places next year. We take 4 players on 2 year contracts and then the pressure becomes very real for players like Philp and Kemp.
Most of our older players will still have contracts
But moving them around doesn't make any difference. We're not struggling to make the minimum number of Senior List changes. There's no need and no advantage to moving 'injured players' to the rookie list.
Let's stop sweating the small shit, will be more about in the ins and outs, rather than who is and isn't on a rookie list
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I agree, you can always promote/re-rookie players if the numbers don't match up. Rookie list means pretty much nothing these days.
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In fact, as we need to delist and redraft in the rookie draft they become lifetime free agents.
Hasn't burnt us yet but soon enough someone in the last chance saloon will get poached
Sholl doesn't look overly exciting however if the recruitment team and the coach look at him and thing he could be a really good player in our team then maybe they are right. It can come down to that, some players, particularly wingers need to be in a good team to perform.
I wouldn't be trading out Dow for nothing either. We are one or two long term injuries to a midfielder away from really needing him. We have been very lucky we have Fisher who can go into the midfield and we have only had one of the 5 main onballers out at a time.
IMO Dow in our team next year, in a strong midfield, no tag, is a pretty damn good in. If he's not there then it comes down to a still very raw Carroll. Our midfield depth thins out a bit if Dow goes out, Curnow retires, Carroll still developing etc.
I wouldn't be trading out Dow for nothing either. We are one or two long term injuries to a midfielder away from really needing him. We have been very lucky we have Fisher who can go into the midfield and we have only had one of the 5 main onballers out at a time.
IMO Dow in our team next year, in a strong midfield, no tag, is a pretty damn good in. If he's not there then it comes down to a still very raw Carroll. Our midfield depth thins out a bit if Dow goes out, Curnow retires, Carroll still developing etc.
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This is an interesting topic.
If it's right that he has been earning $800k per year for 2019, 2020, 2021, then that works out to $160k per game played. Some of those weren't even very good. Ouch.
Has been absolutely fantastic this year though, far exceeding the expectations of everybody, and can be a superstar for years to come if he stays injury free.
I'd like to think he and the club will meet in the middle ground, good contract and financial security for him, but nothing silly like $1M per season. Works for both parties. I think it will happen.
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reading the crows board, sholl is all but gone leaving them arguing over whether he is a gun about to explode or a meteor who has sputtered out already.....
Some mentioning rookie listing Marchbank. Would be a dumb move that could come back to bite us and wouldn't change the length of his contract or the $ so no benefit to us. If we delist with the intention to rerookie there's a fair chance someone offers him a better deal and even if they don't he would be a free agent for life. If we need to rejig main / rookie list numbers pick someone else.
I think the difference with SPS is he didn't possess the right traits for any particular role at AFL level. Not enough kicking penetration to be an attacking half back, not enough tricks to be a small forward and not fit enough to play mid /wing.
Scholl has most the right traits to be an AFL level winger. He is just out of favour so I have more confidence in him making it at AFL level.
Though it's always hard until the player moves to know how much the players lack of impact is down to the club / coach vs the player themself. SPS performance at Westcoast probably indicates it was more him then the club who were the issue but then you get your guys like Will Brodie.
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Let's be honest - nobody is offering Marchbank a high value and/or long term contract to shark him from us.
We've also stood by him and clearly continue to rate him through an almost unreasonable amount of injuries. Doubt he's the type to cut and run for an extra year, or an extra $50k.
If he gets through the rest of the year uninjured they might given the position he plays. I agree it would be unlikely but why take the chance when there is no benefit to us rookie listing him?
Anyone heard any whispers about Stockers contract situation? Obviously highly rated around here but has been in and out of the team and still unsigned. Could have interest from other clubs?
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Nope. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, is offering a long term deal to Marchbank, even if he somehow strings together half a dozen games at the end of this year. Nobody is offering him big bucks either.
And he's well settled at our club and would know full well how highly we value him.
As to the benefit, there are considerations. Move Marchy to the rookie list, if he stays fit next season we can re-elevate him to the senior list and he counts as one of our three compulsory list changes. Like this season, rookie elevations and demotions can help to minimise the number of players we need to cut. It's not much, but it's handy - could save a delisting and the need to take a kid at Pick 50+ on a 2yr deal.
I didn't say someone would offer him big bucks or a long term deal. They might just offer him better then a 1 year deal on minimum wage. Someone could even pick him the national draft or rookie draft before we get the chance to take him as we can't just move him to the rookie. He actually has to be delisted and picked up again.
Fair enough if we need to rebalance rookies / main list numbers. It looks unlikely that we need to however and if we do there are uncontracted players I would prefer be free agents for life.
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Gone - Jones, Williamson
Likely gone - Fogarty, Parks (r), OMac (r)
50/50 - E Curnow, Newnes, Hayes (r)
Trade bait - Dow
To rookie list - Cuningham, Philp
Likely gone - Fogarty, Parks (r), OMac (r)
50/50 - E Curnow, Newnes, Hayes (r)
Trade bait - Dow
To rookie list - Cuningham, Philp
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