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[teagueyubeauty]

Think I’d prefer Digby Morrell


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[DollarsandSense]

Schache has barely impacted any game he plays.

Well at least Weiters will find his mojo quickly at training.

 

[Aramari]

Is he? or is he just able to play as a small forward?
Instead of having to push up the ground to cover deficiencies like ours do...

Yes. The answer is yes.

 

[Garters]

You could probably mount a fair argument that Higgins and Dahlhaus haven't actually been misses - and contributed to the squads development. Jenkins and Steven probably the true 'misses'.

Re Schache discussion - what is he 24? 25? - lot more exposed form to fill our backup KP stocks than any draft pick. Take a first round and a second round draft pick - then fill the holes with proven mature-agers with the right attitude.

He was the no 2 pick to Weitering at no 1. Lucky...

 

[TENACIOUS]

Schache has barely impacted any game he plays.

Doesn't need to be a star, just needs to perform a role...
We just need a cheap KPF/Ruck to play a role in our fwd line and take a defender away from McKay and Curnow...

Allows us to draft a KPF or KPF/Ruck and give them the time to develop...

 

[Uncle Fester]

Well, there you go
I can't think of any but maybe you can correct me on this. How many memorable ones?

Define memorable

 

[Jeremias]

You could probably mount a fair argument that Higgins and Dahlhaus haven't actually been misses - and contributed to the squads development. Jenkins and Steven probably the true 'misses'.

Re Schache discussion - what is he 24? 25? - lot more exposed form to fill our backup KP stocks than any draft pick. Take a first round and a second round draft pick - then fill the holes with proven mature-agers with the right attitude.

Dahlhous maybe at a stretch. I guess he did play 70 odd games for them.

Higgins was a clear miss IMO.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Well after watching today I think its clear as day that our wings and half forwards are just straight up mediocre. 34 year old Smith still 10x as damaging as our best

Funny I thought he was borderline droppable after the preliminary. Amazing GF came from nowhere.

 

[SBYM]

Funny I thought he was borderline droppable after the preliminary. Amazing GF came from nowhere.

lol @ saying a bloke with four premiership medals played an amazing GF 'from nowhere'.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Doesn't need to be a star, just needs to perform a role...
We just need a cheap KPF/Ruck to play a role in our fwd line and take a defender away from McKay and Curnow...

Allows us to draft a KPF or KPF/Ruck and give them the time to develop...

Im pro Schache but only as depth. Something drastic would need to happen for him to win a spot in best 22 on own merits

 

[BlueJet]

Doesn't need to be a star, just needs to perform a role...
We just need a cheap KPF/Ruck to play a role in our fwd line and take a defender away from McKay and Curnow...

Allows us to draft a KPF or KPF/Ruck and give them the time to develop...

The problem is that he doesn't perform the role, he is essentially being moved on from two KPP needy teams for that very reason.
Players like McDonald or Levi could at least be trusted to provide a contest, besides being tall & a formerly early pick, Schache offers very little.
IMO we'd be served in finding a stop gap with the hunger to compete from the lower level than hoping that Schache finally gets it.

 

[choo]

Did Austin recruit Schache to dogs?


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[katmanblue]

Im pro Schache but only as depth. Something drastic would need to happen for him to win a spot in best 22 on own merits

A visit to the Wizard of Oz for an heart and a brain, maybe?

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[Crippa#9]

Schache just simply isn't competitive. You can get away with that if you have other strings to your bow but the big man just doesn't. He's a relatively easy match up for key defenders.

 

[katmanblue]

Schache just simply isn't competitive. You can get away with that if you have other strings to your bow but the big man just doesn't. He's a relatively easy match up for key defenders.

As long as he draws a defender, that might be enough for us. We'd have (ideally) either Charlie or H available. Just need to avoid having them constantly double teamed.

If Schache is left unattended, he is more than capable of taking a mark and kicking straight.

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[WalshistheGOAT]

As long as he draws a defender, that might be enough for us. We'd have (ideally) either Charlie or H available. Just need to avoid having them constantly double teamed.

If Schache is left unattended, he is more than capable of taking a mark and kicking straight.

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My Grandfather could out body Schache and he's got a walking cane.

 

[Manhattanite]

The problem is that he doesn't perform the role, he is essentially being moved on from two KPP needy teams for that very reason.
Players like McDonald or Levi could at least be trusted to provide a contest, besides being tall & a formerly early pick, Schache offers very little.
IMO we'd be served in finding a stop gap with the hunger to compete from the lower level than hoping that Schache finally gets it.

Which brings us back to did we let go of Levi too soon? Wouldn’t he be better depth to Schache in three positions?

Alas we do need to find someone like a Levi - serviceable and OK playing mostly VFL.


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[katmanblue]

My Grandfather could out body Schache and he's got a walking cane.

Possibly but why would he bother out bodying a decoy?

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[Magruder]

My Grandfather could out body Schache and he's got a walking cane.

not singling anyone out, just highlighting how we felt about Liam Jones.

yes, Jones had probably shown more than Schache at that point but it is intriguing how quickly a player can find their way in different circumstances and when given a clear role.

Here’s a few choice quotes from LJs thread….

He has made an impression on me. I have the impression that he has mitts like cymbals and the defensive side of his game seems to be half hearted

Probably doesn't help that he plays in a team that has a large percentage of its supporter base seemingly wanting him to fail.

Don't think anyone rates jones highly or thinks he's our future, but he has earnt his spot in the side through good form.


That said I fully expect jones to play rubbish and be banished to the VFL next week, hoping he can prove me wrong.

He is an average mark, has no pace, can't play in any other position, and his lack of effort has been continually questioned.
He had opportunities at the Dogs and Carlton, and he is just not up to playing AFL. We have him for one more season and in all reality he will play in the magoos. Silvagni showed me more in a handful of games than Jones did in 2 years, and Silvagni is miles ahead of him. Let's move on.

The similarities in both content and tone for Schache are striking.

Would Rather Sproule as his game has a little more edge and seems a little more mobile. But not opposed to Schache as a cheap depth option. Who knows, might even come good.

 

[Mondyboy]

The problem is that he doesn't perform the role, he is essentially being moved on from two KPP needy teams for that very reason.
Players like McDonald or Levi could at least be trusted to provide a contest, besides being tall & a formerly early pick, Schache offers very little.
IMO we'd be served in finding a stop gap with the hunger to compete from the lower level than hoping that Schache finally gets it.

Spot on. Schache just isn’t a very good footballer. I’d rather get Levi back.


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[Mondyboy]

not singling anyone out, just highlighting how we felt about Liam Jones.

yes, Jones had probably shown more than Schache at that point but it is intriguing how quickly a player can find their way in different circumstances and when given a clear role.

Here’s a few choice quotes from LJs thread…

The similarities in both content and tone for Schache are striking.

Would Rather Sproule as his game has a little more edge and seems a little more mobile. But not opposed to Schache as a cheap depth option. Who knows, might even come good.

False equivalency. The commentary on LJ was when he played forward. It quickly changed when he moved to the backline. WB played Schache as a back and he was barely adequate. So we’ve seen him on both ends at the ground and he’s been not good. As distinct from LJ who excelled a few games into being switched to the backline.


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[Magruder]

False equivalency. The commentary on LJ was when he played forward. It quickly changed when he moved to the backline. WB played Schache as a back and he was barely adequate. So we’ve seen him on both ends at the ground and he’s been not good. As distinct from LJ who excelled a few games into being switched to the backline.


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yep, that’s a reasonable call On the face of it.

But overlooks the benefits of being given clarity of purpose. I don’t believe JS has had that yet.

IIRC Liam was given an extended run in the ruck/def away from the AFL spotlight? May even have spent considerable time training for both/either roles.

wonder is Josh has had the same?

or I guess we can make judgements on very little information and without any understanding of the psyche Of a kid hampered by enormous expectations at a very young age.

id also suggest you need a broader definition of false equivalence.

 

[Kramer1]

Schache would be fine depth...has some good attributes, and I'm certain we played both Harry and Charlie underdone at times this year...we do need another genuine KPF.

 

[Magruder]

Spot on. Schache just isn’t a very good footballer. I’d rather get Levi back.


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Yeah, that’s not happening.

Just out of interest, check out Levi and Josh’s stats at the same age… apart from games played for the season there’s not a lot of difference.

remember some rather vitriolic comments in relation to Levi around 2014-2017.

like Levi, Josh’s issues are between the ears.

 

[Beyond Blue]

not singling anyone out, just highlighting how we felt about Liam Jones.

yes, Jones had probably shown more than Schache at that point but it is intriguing how quickly a player can find their way in different circumstances and when given a clear role.

Here’s a few choice quotes from LJs thread….









The similarities in both content and tone for Schache are striking.

Would Rather Sproule as his game has a little more edge and seems a little more mobile. But not opposed to Schache as a cheap depth option. Who knows, might even come good.

I’d be shocked if either had a career resurgence like Jones did and indeed I don’t see Schache or Sproule as starting 22 players.

Rather the appeal of targeting someone like them is to serve as a break glass back up option so that if one of H and Charlie are unavailable we aren’t forced to play TDK, Gov or SOS as key position forward which none are capable of.

Neither will likely command much in terms of salary nor interest from clubs as a starting 22 option and I think they’d be happy just extending their careers with a guaranteed spot on an AFL list.