List Mgmt. List Management 2022

[Accidental genius]

Reckon the average would probably sit somewhere in the 7-8 range. Would be rare for a club to have less than 5, and there are usually a couple of rebuilding clubs that would skew the average a bit by culling 10+ players.

Contextually, maybe 6-7 for a competitive side seems like healthy turnover.

Who did we lose last year?

Liam jones
Casboult
Betts
Murph
Others?

 

[Stamos]

Who did we lose last year?

Liam jones
Casboult
Betts
Murph
Others?

Jones technically this year.
Samo, Ramsay and Gibbons last year. 6 additions last year including Mirkov and Boyd mid-season.

 

[Accidental genius]

Jones technically this year.
Samo, Ramsay and Gibbons last year. 6 additions last year including Mirkov and Boyd mid-season.

Ok so 6-7 for 2021.

Early days of our rebuild I think sos turned over a few more.

 

[Aphrodite]

Incorrect. Cottrell along with O’Brien was delisted and re rookied. He has two years after this of rookie eligibility. It makes sense from a list management perspective to keep Cotts on the rookie list until he is required to be upgraded.

Correct Coona

Former top-10 pick among two Blues cut, rookie lifelines await

Carlton has committed to recontracting Lochie O’Brien and Matthew Cottrell in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft

www.afl.com.au

 

[Blue__Balls]

Who did we lose last year?

Liam jones
Casboult
Betts
Murph
Others?

Plus Gibbons, SPS and Ramsay.

So 7 out, one of whom was a late scratching and out of our hands (Jones).

 

[Blue__Balls]

Ok so 6-7 for 2021.

Early days of our rebuild I think sos turned over a few more.

I see Stamos beat me to it. Yeah - early days of the rebuild I think we cut deep. 2017 (going into 2018) saw 13 players moved on.

Edit: end of 2016 was 12 changes, end of 2017 was 13, and end of 2018 was a whopping 14 changes. Almost an entire list turned over in three off seasons.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Im not sure what an average number of changes per year per club is. I tried a quick google search but no hits.

7-8 changes sounds believable.

I wouldn't be confident stating who the changes would be.

Apart from EdCurnow potentially retiring I have no idea.

That's the figure I came up with, too, depending on the number of players we take aside from the draft/rookie selections and whether we trade players out. That does not include what happens with the midseason draft selections we just made. We could easily take 6 draftees (including rookies) before you factor in the rest.

 

[Stamos]

That's the figure I came up with, too, depending on the number of players we take aside from the draft/rookie selections and whether we trade players out. That does not include what happens with the midseason draft selections we just made. We could easily take 6 draftees (including rookies) before you factor in the rest.

I don't think we'll 'easily' draft in 6 new players.

 

[F_therest]

I know it was brought up by other posters in the injury thread, but surely we're not serious about re-signing Marchy for next year. If he can't get on the park again this season then we have to make the tough calls. It's no different to the situation with OMac, at the end of the day it's just a business.

Marchy can be carried. On the rookie list or even main list but cheap contract. He's very capable at the level and seems popular at the club. We won't turf him.

Omac maybe the one to move on.

 

[F_therest]

Ed, OMac, Fogarty, Parkes, Jones, Akuei, I'd say will be definite 6 off the list.

A fire sale of players like Setterfield, Dow, Cunningham may occur, with feelers out there for Newnes, Kemp, Stocker to see if we can extract fair value (else we keep). LOB can be pinched for nothing if he's given more security elsewhere, don't think the club would be too stressed else you'd think he'd have some offer by now.

OMac if he survives some VFL for half a season could get a look in for the MSD.

Wouldn't be shocked to have a surprise trade occur either... a Plowman or a Martin type.

Plow has been good this year and is the only 3rd tall defender type who can actually stay out on the park.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Marchy can be carried. On the rookie list or even main list but cheap contract. He's very capable at the level and seems popular at the club. We won't turf him.

Omac maybe the one to move on.

Don't believe McDonald will be cut

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I don't think we'll 'easily' draft in 6 new players.

That sounds like a quibble about my choice of words rather than anything else. I know we don't have a third-round pick but four picks in the ND and two rookies is not out of the ordinary and should be closer to the standard for most clubs rather than an outlier. It's just that we have often chosen to give players from other clubs a second chance with the final few picks on our list rather than try and find a smokey in RD. I think we've become used to the three ND picks, one or two new rookies approach so we think it's the norm.

 

[BigFrizz36]

This time last year Matt Kennedy was a certainty to be chopped. Plenty of chance for things to change.

I thought that this sort of discussion was just a thing for when we were poor and a bit of a boost for the long suffering (as in things will get better).

Apparently not.

 

[Stamos]

That sounds like a quibble about my choice of words rather than anything else. I know we don't have a third-round pick but four picks in the ND and two rookies is not out of the ordinary and should be closer to the standard for most clubs rather than an outlier. It's just that we have often chosen to give players from other clubs a second chance with the final few picks on our list rather than try and find a smokey in RD. I think we've become used to the three ND picks, one or two new rookies approach so we think it's the norm.

No, not about your choice of words.
We've currently got 8 on our Cat A Rookie list. To pick up 2 in the Rookie Draft would mean upgrading or cutting 4 of them. I don't think that's an 'easy' call, especially when it sounds like OMAC will get another year, and you would expect Owies to get upgraded from Cat B (he needs to go to the Senior List or be cut).

We've got a young list, with a lot of quality. I don't see us churning a lot, just to take guys in the 4th & 5th rounds, or the rookie draft.
I reckon we've already picked a couple of those guys in Durdin and Hayes.

 

[The Bighouse]

I find it impossible to believe this figure over six years. Our salary management has been excellent since the SOS days, bar McGovern and there may well be some mayo on that report. I have no doubt Zac started on $800,000 to ensure the deal, but it has been well reported the Martin deal was massively front ended and highly unlikely the Williams deal is not similar at least to some degree.

I like to think he would move to 5-600k for the last years of his deal, perhaps even less. I was all for getting him, but was never worth 800x6 years. Have to believe it to be mischievous reporting.

It was 4.8 over 6 (with incentives to go a little bit higher).
No, he wasn't worth it, but that's what we're paying.

Splitting hairs but thought it was mentioned it was closer to $750K P/A mark with incentives to boost (which you’d assume not much would have been achieved) anywhere to $900K P/A.
Think GWS was willing to keep him and the figure was in $6’s or $700K P/A. 6yr term trumped and dollars as well.

Not looking like a good investment thus far, don’t think we’ve missed him down back since he went down. His best attributes have been forward of centre, mostly at the start of last season IIRC. Get him super fit and station him on the wing.

 

[DangerousD]

No, not about your choice of words.
We've currently got 8 on our Cat A Rookie list. To pick up 2 in the Rookie Draft would mean upgrading or cutting 4 of them. I don't think that's an 'easy' call, especially when it sounds like OMAC will get another year, and you would expect Owies to get upgraded from Cat B (he needs to go to the Senior List or be cut).

We've got a young list, with a lot of quality. I don't see us churning a lot, just to take guys in the 4th & 5th rounds, or the rookie draft.
I reckon we've already picked a couple of those guys in Durdin and Hayes.

Why does it sound like Omac will get another year? I’d be very surprised if he did.

 

[Stamos]

Why does it sound like Omac will get another year? I’d be very surprised if he did.

Heard it from a couple of people.
Surprised me too.

 

[Mr_Plow]

We're seriously considering re-contracting the guy?

He's certainly capable of playing at the level, but unless we've discovered a back stress fracture antidote, what's the point...

At least Marchbank mixes his injuries up for variety.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Why does it sound like Omac will get another year? I’d be very surprised if he did.

Not that surprised. As good as it sounds to move on some of our injury prone players it only makes sense if we can replace them with close to equivalents. OMac can cover ruck, KPF and KPD solidly at an AFL standard. That's hard to find.

If it comes to the end of the year and OMac is 100% and Russell is confident he will be right going forward it would be a big call to dump him just so we can take a extra kid in the draft at pick 70.

The only situation in which I see us letting him go is if Russell thinks his back will be a major ongoing issue.

 

[Wickzki]

Ed, OMac, Fogarty, Parkes, Jones, Akuei, I'd say will be definite 6 off the list.

Akuei will stay as a Cat B rookie and given the three years that was intended of him. The only chance this changes is if he shows no development in 2023 and they write him off early.

Nobody thought he was a snowball's chance in hell of getting to the level in 2022 or 2023.

 

[Maverick000]

I think the only certainties to go are: Ed, Willo, Fog and Jones who was replaced with a MSD rookie.

Very close IMO are Philp, Hayes and Setters, in order of likelihood.

Gov and Omac you’d think will be decided on at season end once Russ and Co have a good grasp on where their bodies are at. If both go, Marchy stays, if one goes, Marchy probably also stays but as a rookie which you’d think he’d be accepting of.

For mine Cunners stays as he has traits we don’t have an abundance of.

Will be interesting to see if they move on Boyd, who Austin seems to have a massive soft spot for


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[Jeremias]

Philp stays. Not sure why we'd consider moving him on.

Clearly a talented kid who hasn't exactly had a great run at it to this point. Contracted through to the end of next year - absolutely no point moving earlier.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I’d be disappointed if we delisted Williamson. I feel he has plenty of upside, we just need to help get there.

 

[footyfan1978]

I think the only certainties to go are: Ed, Willo, Fog and Jones who was replaced with a MSD rookie.

Very close IMO are Philp, Hayes and Setters, in order of likelihood.

Gov and Omac you’d think will be decided on at season end once Russ and Co have a good grasp on where their bodies are at. If both go, Marchy stays, if one goes, Marchy probably also stays but as a rookie which you’d think he’d be accepting of.

For mine Cunners stays as he has traits we don’t have an abundance of.

Will be interesting to see if they move on Boyd, who Austin seems to have a massive soft spot for

There no way they moving on Boyd. He still developing and shows lots of good signs.
O'Mac only on list as back up tall but due to his injuries that makes him redundant so I expect he goes.
If Willo still has personal issues at end of year, he probably goes. I think he only on one year contract so if he not in seniors or emergency or active in September that the end unfortunately.
Fogarty and Setterfield emergencies this week but they battling in area we not short on options so unless they make inroads in second half of season they will probably go if not have contract beyond this season.
Setters might be worth trying out at another club where he could try more inside mid roles.

Ed probably retires.
Newnes and Cottrell keeping their head above water for now as role players but if fall away either could easily be off the list. Cottrell being younger probably is looking safe for now.
O'Brien on rookie list is playing for his career, week to week. If he drops off at all, he probably traded. If he steps it up, gains a spot back on primary list as Kennedy did.
As others have said somewhere else on the board, Marchbank probably be retained via rookie list with his injury history.

 

[Stamos]

Marchbank probably be retained via rookie list with his injury history.

We would have to cut or upgrade 3 of our rookies just to be able to get a rookie spot to shift Marchy to.
I don't think we're going to need to open up his senior spot that badly.