List Mgmt. List Management 2024-25

[VineValerian]

Look, you clearly just want to blame Ken 100% when it's not him that's 100% to blame ffs... you'd know that if you had an IQ higher than a potato

As someone who was once beaten in trivial pursuit by a freshly picked potato, I take umbrage at that comment!

 

[240volt]

Problem is you simply can not bottom out now.

Tasmania are going to pick the eyes out of the draft for the next 4/5 years.

Our best bet for quality players is the Academy and hoping for gold there. Dougie Cochrane and making him eligible for Port would be absolutely massive for Port Adelaide. Zemes Pilot being a high end draft pick would be pretty good thing as well.

If we can’t bottom out all that’s going to do is make this process longer.

 

[240volt]

Hawthorn don't have an unusual amount of hight draft picks in their recent down years.

They are just a very well run club. Mitchell is super impressive with what he has been given without a lot of early draft picks.

I don't think they've drafted an out and out star early. Maybe Nick Watson last year at 5 but he came with questions marks of being too small for some while I liked him a lot.

They have drafted well but also had picks in the top 6 in recent years.
We haven’t helped ourselves with throwing away a lot of second round picks also.
As it stands now we have bugger all in the draft next year and with tassie soon to enter it’s not going to get easier.
If we don’t bottom out we end up in no man’s land.
Not good enough to win a flag but good enough to finish mid table.
Basically Essendon or clubs like that.

 

[manureid]

We have punted on a flag bringing in some final pieces of the puzzle. It hasn't worked. We need to go hard in the drafts now before tassie or we will be stuffed

 

[gbear]

We have punted on a flag bringing in some final pieces of the puzzle. It hasn't worked. We need to go hard in the drafts now before tassie or we will be stuffed

I wouldn't be averse to trading out players like Marshall, Butters, Burton or anyone else for that matter for decent draft picks this year and the next. The new coach needs to have a relatively new list to work with who don't have the mental scars left by Hinkley. I would build a team around JHF, Georgiades, SPP, Drew, Houston, Farrell, Sweet, Bergman and Logan Evans.

 

[240volt]

We have punted on a flag bringing in some final pieces of the puzzle. It hasn't worked. We need to go hard in the drafts now before tassie or we will be stuffed

Yeah let’s go hard on pick 567.
You can’t rebuild from top 4, you need to do a Geelong and top up with good players from other clubs.
It’s that or finishing lower than the Crows and I can’t see that going down well with the supporters.
All big talk now, I can see a lot of supporters jumping ship soon as we slide down the ladder.

 

[gbear]

Hypothetically speaking, if you were the list manager, who of the 2024 squad would you keep, possibly keep and who would you delist or trade out?

 

[FishingRick04]

I wouldn't be averse to trading out players like Marshall, Butters, Burton or anyone else for that matter for decent draft picks this year and the next. The new coach needs to have a relatively new list to work with who don't have the mental scars left by Hinkley. I would build a team around JHF, Georgiades, SPP, Drew, Houston, Farrell, Sweet, Bergman and Logan Evans.

Careful who you say you’ll trade, you’ll get attacked like I for mentioning Butters

 

[gbear]

Careful who you say you’ll trade, you’ll get attacked like I for mentioning Butters

I have my big girl panties on

One has to be realistic that the Ken Hinkley boys club needs to be disbanded once the ****er is gone!

 

[FishingRick04]

Depends on coaching but

Retire:
Dixon
cluery
McKenzie
Boak

Trade:
Burton second round?
Butters, only cause it would be hard to remove Rozee now. Not knowing the draft but I’d hope we could get a key forward for Butters in the draft?
Houston if getting Perryman, I know it’s a downgrade but could deliver us two strong first rounders and two future firsts
Soldo second rounder?
DBJ second rounder

Hit the draft hard in next two years

 

[SonOfKek]

We're screwed without our own developmental players/zoning. No big name wants to come to South Australia because we don't have the same culture as the Victorian clubs and we cannot offer the same lifestyle as the clubs on the east coast. That said, we need to build the team around Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

, retire the older players and get Marshall out of the club. Take the wooden spoon for a couple of years and do a proper rebuild.

 

[manureid]

Yeah let’s go hard on pick 567.
You can’t rebuild from top 4, you need to do a Geelong and top up with good players from other clubs.
It’s that or finishing lower than the Crows and I can’t see that going down well with the supporters.
All big talk now, I can see a lot of supporters jumping ship soon as we slide down the ladder.

We have pick 567? I can't believe the player we get with that pick fell that far.

 

[Revan11]

Careful who you say you’ll trade, you’ll get attacked like I for mentioning Butters

Butters should be one of our untouchables

 

[240volt]

Butters should be one of our untouchables

When Ken goes the chances of Butters leaving increases.

 

[gbear]

When Ken goes the chances of Butters leaving increases.

Hence why if he does go it is worth taking Butters to market to net at tleast two first round draft picks.

 

[davesnothere]

If we can’t bottom out all that’s going to do is make this process longer.

We need a high 1st round pick this year.
We need a high 1st round pick next year
We need Douglas Cochrane the following year.
We need Zemes Pilot to be a top end pick the year after.

It's plenty of luck and wishful thinking with Dougie and Zemes I know but if we can bring in at least one high end pick each year and maybe get lucky with one or two other kids then we can recuit from elsewhere and we don't have to bottom out.

Would also add next year there needs to be a plan to get Dyson Sharp next year as that high end pick.

 

[longdonkey]

When Ken goes the chances of Butters leaving increases.

This is just another lie of the cult of Hinkley. There is nothing based on fact that suggests this is true.

 

[longdonkey]

Lets just get rid of Hinkley and see where the cards fall. Anyone who is suggesting that we are going to be a worse team post Hinkley is a bed wetting lunatic.

 

[davesnothere]

Depends on coaching but

Retire:
Dixon
cluery
McKenzie
Boak

Trade:
Burton second round?
Butters, only cause it would be hard to remove Rozee now. Not knowing the draft but I’d hope we could get a key forward for Butters in the draft?
Houston if getting Perryman, I know it’s a downgrade but could deliver us two strong first rounders and two future firsts
Soldo second rounder?
DBJ second rounder

Hit the draft hard in next two years

With Butters we then have to replace him with a high level midfielder.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

The northern states Academies rort the draft too.

Lets just get rid of Hinkley and see where the cards fall. Anyone who is suggesting that we are going to be a worse team post Hinkley is a bed wetting lunatic.

All this 'Players love Hinkley' talk is another media invention to protect him.

 

[240volt]

I have my big girl panties on

One has to be realistic that the Ken Hinkley boys club needs to be disbanded once the ****er is gone!

Butters has openly said he loves Ken.
Personal I believe he will go anyway so we should get plenty for him.
All this depends on who coaches us going forward and how much backbone they have to make hard decisions.
This all comes back to our administration who control everything, that’s why I can’t see any real improvement until the likes of Koch are gone.

There’s always been one common denominator in successful clubs and that’s successful management.
We have talk show host with some appointed clowns and Tredders.
We’re fkd.

 

[longdonkey]

The northern states Academies rort the draft too.


All this 'Players love Hinkley' talk is another media invention to protect him.

Yeah I think this is partially true but I have it from a players family member that it is essentially true, but like any workplace when somebody leaves another replaces him/her. Then things continue on. By the end of the pre-season it will be Ken who. Everyone is replaceable. That should be a life lesson for everyone.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I'm with LongAss.

You can only really work out the list when a new coach gets a good look.

There are some obvious guys who need to go or are past it.

 

[240volt]

We need a high 1st round pick this year.
We need a high 1st round pick next year
We need Douglas Cochrane the following year.
We need Zemes Pilot to be a top end pick the year after.

It's plenty of luck and wishful thinking with Dougie and Zemes I know but if we can bring in at least one high end pick each year and maybe get lucky with one or two other kids then we can recuit from elsewhere and we don't have to bottom out.

Would also add next year there needs to be a plan to get Dyson Sharp next year as that high end pick.

What we want and what we get are two different things.
You want top picks in the next couple of years?
Trade out Huston,Butters and Rozze.
There’s your answer.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Funnily enough, I think the way the list managers have positioned themselves this coming post-season looks fine.

Get in Perryman as a FA, if they can convince Cumming too then all the better.

Push hard for Lukosius if his cost is a future second rounder taking on his salary.

Everyone still thinks Houston will go, so stand firm on the two first rounders or equivalent.

The cheaper outside running players, a Richards and O'Driscoll would be useful additions.

Rome Burgoyne, Montgomery and Benny Barrett as FS/NGA handy back end of the draft picks, Maybe Francou, although there seems to be less certainty that he will be picked.

And have a serious look at state leagues for players, Geelong seem to be able to pick the eyes out of those systems.

And no to trading Butters. He's contracted to the end of 2026, we'll have a better idea next year of his intentions.