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[Todman]

If they give Turnbull a chance to put his own mark on the party, he may succeed, if he swings right they will struggle.

If he swings any further left he'd be Bill Shorten

 

[GreyCrow]

I'm guessing no Tony Abbott in the next ministry?

Health?

 

[Maggie5]

Well the coalition look like they won the election so I guess their policies won too.

Its a numbers game from here and provided theres a majority in the HofR Bernadi, Kroger etc venting won't change much.

Happy for you but still fun times ahead.
Already bought the popcorn.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I would have thought 'privatise' means what it has come to mean in ordinary usage, i.e. the selling off or floating of a publicly owned asset. Medibank Private and Telstra being the 2 major ones that spring to my mind.

It certainly doesn't mean charging a co-payment because the word co-payment is available and well understood, due to the 2014 Budget, if that's what is meant.

As for privatising Medicare, I'm sure it could be done, John Howard could have done it when he controlled both houses from 2004 to 2007 but he didn't.

Medicare is a massive payments system on one side and the Medicare Levy funds it. So the back office goes to a specialist provider of back office services and they get paid by the Commonwealth.

Doesn't sound as scary though/ doesn't quite roll off the tongue (plus labor probably can't "stop Medicare copayment)

 

[Maggie5]

The only bit of medicare that can be privatised is the administration and IT systems.

Err no, screening areas? Already heard that Telstra Health were interested in Bowel, then there s Breast screening. Not sure what other areas.

 

[Subprime]

Happy for you but still fun times ahead.
Already bought the popcorn.

If they reach 77 or 78 they have enough of a buffer to muddle through for a couple of years and make a late change if polls demand it.

If the Senate wants to pass bills whoopie-doo, if not <shrug>.

 

[Subprime]

Doesn't sound as scary though/ doesn't quite roll off the tongue (plus labor probably can't "stop Medicare copayment)

Of course, hence the use of 'privatise'.

So when do I get my prospectus Mr Shorten?

 

[Maggie5]

Of course, hence the use of 'privatise'.

So when do I get my prospectus Mr Shorten?

Same time when I get my $500 Abbott promised. Carbon tax scare.
Keep waiting.

 

[JackOutback]

If they reach 77 or 78 they have enough of a buffer to muddle through for a couple of years and make a late change if polls demand it.

If the Senate wants to pass bills whoopie-doo, if not <shrug>.

The Libs will achieve exactly nothing over the next three years and get chucked out in big numbers at the next election. Their core policies won't get through the Senate and they aren't reasonable enough to negotiate with the ALP to get a compromise agenda through.

 

[Subprime]

The Libs will achieve exactly nothing over the next three years and get chucked out in big numbers at the next election. Their core policies won't get through the Senate and they aren't reasonable enough to negotiate with the ALP to get a compromise agenda through.

Not much point being a Coalition government if they have to adopt ALP policies to pass the Senate.

I doubt the negative gearing or CG changes will be anymore popular next time around but we will see.

 

[Gough]

We'll stand still for another three years, and the only people who'll be in a better position at the end of it is big business, thanks to the government, and homeowners, thanks to dumb luck.

 

[Subprime]

Same time when I get my $500 Abbott promised. Carbon tax scare.
Keep waiting.

The Carbon Tax is gone.

I won't hold my breath for the Medicare prospectus.

 

[Showbags]

If he swings any further left he'd be Bill Shorten

That means Tony Abbott is a lefty. As the policies are exactly the same under Turnbull.

 

[Maggie5]

The Carbon Tax is gone.

I won't hold my breath for the Medicare prospectus.

I never really held my breath to expect the bonus as soon as it came out of Abbott's mouth. It would have proved to be fatal.

 

[JackOutback]

Not much point being a Coalition government if they have to adopt ALP policies to pass the Senate.

I doubt the negative gearing or CG changes will be anymore popular next time around but we will see.

Why not? Or do you believe that only one party has all the good ideas? The Libs would be wise to see what ALP policies are palatable, negotiate them in exchange for their favoured policies and cut out the independents.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

If the Libs actually cared about debt and deficit, rather than giving tax breaks to the wealthy, then they will act on neg gearing. There is as much of a mandate for that as there is for a broad company tax cut. First term governments never get kicked straight out, yet this one seems to have avoided it by a few hundred votes in a few seats.

Reports that Dutton will be moved into a more senior role suggests lessons haven't really been learned. The election was a repudiation of the Abbott-era Liberal Party. If they give Turnbull a chance to put his own mark on the party, he may succeed, if he swings right they will struggle.

Remember Tony Nutt met with Abbott post-election and looked distinctly unhappy to have to do so and that the press were there. A deal was done to keep the right-wing quiet during the campaign. Another reason why Turnbull may have been scurrying around trying to get Independent support before having to show his hand. Shorten's call about an election within 12 months is odd, but people in Canberra would know far more about the tensions than we do.

Changing the payments system at Medicare is agreed upon by both sides of parliament. The moves to make Medicare more user pays are far more obvious - copayments direct on users, then extending the copayments freeze for med staff, setting up a privatisation taskforce (which the Liberals then lies about creating), etc.

 

[Subprime]

Why not? Or do you believe that only one party has all the good ideas? The Libs would be wise to see what ALP policies are palatable, negotiate them in exchange for their favoured policies and cut out the independents.

Well the Libs picked up the increase in the smokers tax in the last budget from the ALP so they do at times.

The Libs also did a deal with the Greens last time to change Senate voting rules so I'm sure they're open to negotiation.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Well the Libs picked up the increase in the smokers tax in the last budget from the ALP so they do at times.

The Libs also did a deal with the Greens last time to change Senate voting rules so I'm sure they're open to negotiation.

???

First you think Aussies are so dumb that they will think "privatising" Medicare will mean a prospectus, then you think we're so dumb that we might think the Liberals were actually 'open to negotiation' last term? Get your hand off it.

 

[Subprime]

???

First you think Aussies are so dumb that they will think "privatising" Medicare will mean a prospectus, then you think we're so dumb that we might think the Liberals were actually 'open to negotiation' last term? Get your hand off it.

Gee thanks for the abuse, you're a real charmer.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Gee thanks for the abuse, you're a real charmer.

If you think that counts as "abuse", then I think your analytical skills need work beyond the world of politics too.

 

[Subprime]

If you think that counts as "abuse", then I think your analytical skills need work beyond the world of politics too.

Whatever.

 

[Extreme_Bandit]

Why not? Or do you believe that only one party has all the good ideas? The Libs would be wise to see what ALP policies are palatable, negotiate them in exchange for their favoured policies and cut out the independents.

There is no benefit for the ALP to negotiate to pass bills. There is a benefit for the ALP to be obstructionist.

If the Libs actually come up with a good policy it would be pointless to negotiate that with ALP because they will just reject the policy or demand the policy to be changed which could cripple it to the point where there is no point passing it.

Much like the Libs they would be willing to take the country backwards if it meant they could get in power.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

There is no benefit for the ALP to negotiate to pass bills. There is a benefit for the ALP to be obstructionist.

If the Libs actually come up with a good policy it would be pointless to negotiate that with ALP because they will just reject the policy or demand the policy to be changed which could cripple it to the point where there is no point passing it.

Much like the Libs they would be willing to take the country backwards if it meant they could get in power.

Shorten already said he's willing to work with the Liberals on the policies taken to the election. He's been a bit cheeky since the Liberals didn't take many policies to the election other than the company tax cut. Even the Super changes were nowhere to be seen on the Liberals' election website. There wasn't a mention of Super on the entire thing.

 

[JackOutback]

There is no benefit for the ALP to negotiate to pass bills. There is a benefit for the ALP to be obstructionist.

If the Libs actually come up with a good policy it would be pointless to negotiate that with ALP because they will just reject the policy or demand the policy to be changed which could cripple it to the point where there is no point passing it.

Much like the Libs they would be willing to take the country backwards if it meant they could get in power.

I disagree, if Labor manages to 'pass' its own policies, it makes it look like a government in waiting, it validates their policies. They would have to be careful about which ones they choose, but in the current mood, a party could be punished for being wilfully obstructive.

For example, agreeing to the Libs corporate taxe rates (to a smaller threshold than currently proposed) in exchange for passing its negative gearing and capital gains tax changes would help the budget bottom line and improve Labor's credibility.

 

[JoseMourinho]

I disagree, if Labor manages to 'pass' its own policies, it makes it look like a government in waiting, it validates their policies. They would have to be careful about which ones they choose, but in the current mood, a party could be punished for being wilfully obstructive.

And that is why the Liberals won't let Labor pass any of their policies. Based on the current senate, Liberals don't need to negotiate with Labor/Greens.