Lovett to stand trial over rape allegation

[Brad Roo]

Magistrates rarely strike out serious charges unless the defence is 100% water tight.

 

[bisazc887]

Unfortunately his trail will do more than just derailing a finals campaign. Lovett's issue will put unnecessary stain on the reputation of the entire St Kilda football club. Other than the Lovett rape case, there have been two previous cases of sex related cases with the Milne, Montagna incident as well as the football clinic teen pregnancy incident.

This does not help St Kilda and its stakeholders any help at all. First it gives people a bad impression of its recruitment department of not doing enough research. Second, it's the social attitude to St Kilda and their players. Women will think twice bout dating st kilda players. Future players may not want to go St Kilda. Other players might think twice about receiving players coming from St Kilda in case he is a sex offender.

St Kilda need to be quick and decisive in cutting out Lovett. Stipulate Lovett has nothing to do with St Kilda. Ditch him now. After this year reveal the main culprit in the footy clinic and offer him to the police. Get rid of Milne and Montagna. Be ruthless, be decisive, cut out the cancerous part of the club and start anew.

If St Kilda doesn't act decisively, they are in serious trouble of becoming misunderstood by the public. Take me for instance, i will never allow my kids to hang out with any saints player. I will never allow my sons to be drafted or traded to St Kilda. I will certainly not associate with any St Kilda players.

You know very little about our law or football by that big spiel. It will be lucky to get to court this year for starters. Secondly Stk dont have to ditch him now as they ditched him at the time. Was it rape, I guess he will say no, she will say yes we will never know regardless of what verdict is handed out (and i have no reason to defend him he never played a game for us and cost us a pick and $) but one thing im sure it wasnt Commiting Audultrty in a toilet with a best mates wife...Remember that one?

 

[weagles_fan]

You either have a sick sense of humour or a warped mind ............


Since when has been drunk and asleep been an invitation for anyone to have sex with a women ??? Would you be saying the same thing if it was your sister who woke up and had some idiot forcing himself into her as she slept ???


I hope the guy is sent to jail and wakes up with someone in him .............

From these quotes it sounds like she wanted to **** Gram and there was no light in the room so she assumed it was him and didn't question him because of her being intoxicated. Once she realised it was Lovett she got upset. I bet she was not asleep during any of it.

 

[coryne]

From these quotes it sounds like she wanted to **** Gram and there was no light in the room so she assumed it was him and didn't question him because of her being intoxicated. Once she realised it was Lovett she got upset. I bet she was not asleep during any of it.

So because she would consent to sex with Gram then Lovett can have a crack ??? It doesn't matter that she has no interest in him, just act like you are Gram and once things are started then go for your life ???

What are you, a 14 yr old kid who has no idea about common decency or a 25 yr old hot **** who doesn't mind slapping his miss' around and holding her down for a shag when ever you want one, because you sound like 1 or the other .......

 

[clobba]

Unfortunately his trail will do more than just derailing a finals campaign. Lovett's issue will put unnecessary stain on the reputation of the entire St Kilda football club. Other than the Lovett rape case, there have been two previous cases of sex related cases with the Milne, Montagna incident as well as the football clinic teen pregnancy incident.

This does not help St Kilda and its stakeholders any help at all. First it gives people a bad impression of its recruitment department of not doing enough research. Second, it's the social attitude to St Kilda and their players. Women will think twice bout dating st kilda players. Future players may not want to go St Kilda. Other players might think twice about receiving players coming from St Kilda in case he is a sex offender.

St Kilda need to be quick and decisive in cutting out Lovett. Stipulate Lovett has nothing to do with St Kilda. Ditch him now. After this year reveal the main culprit in the footy clinic and offer him to the police. Get rid of Milne and Montagna. Be ruthless, be decisive, cut out the cancerous part of the club and start anew.

If St Kilda doesn't act decisively, they are in serious trouble of becoming misunderstood by the public. Take me for instance, i will never allow my kids to hang out with any saints player. I will never allow my sons to be drafted or traded to St Kilda. I will certainly not associate with any St Kilda players.

I'd try to clear things up for you and point out the many errors in this post but you clearly have limited contact with reality so as long as your happy have a fun life..

 

[Tas]

In which case she certainly was r*ped. I highly doubt she was in any state to know who was doing what until too late. Hope this prick gets whats coming. Her friend finds her curled up and inconsoleable saying she was r*ped, sounds ominous to me.

Consent is before and during, not 10 minutes after.

This is a cosmic waste of taxpayer money, beyond all reasonable doubt, tell me how any jury could say there was no doubt she gave consent before/during, she didn't even know who she was in bed with.

 

[weagles_fan]

So because she would consent to sex with Gram then Lovett can have a crack ??? It doesn't matter that she has no interest in him, just act like you are Gram and once things are started then go for your life ???

What are you, a 14 yr old kid who has no idea about common decency or a 25 yr old hot **** who doesn't mind slapping his miss' around and holding her down for a shag when ever you want one, because you sound like 1 or the other .......

I'm just saying how can Lovett get charged for rape when he didn't actually rape her. How did he know she didn't want it from him?

 

[Big Blow Hard]

So because she would consent to sex with Gram then Lovett can have a crack ??? It doesn't matter that she has no interest in him, just act like you are Gram and once things are started then go for your life ???

What are you, a 14 yr old kid who has no idea about common decency or a 25 yr old hot **** who doesn't mind slapping his miss' around and holding her down for a shag when ever you want one, because you sound like 1 or the other .......

We don;t even know that she consented to sex with Gram. They had kissed, but he left her on the bed to sleep off her drunkeness and went to the balcony with her friend. She claims she awoke to find Lovett having sex with her. Consent can't be given while asleep obviously. The court obviously feels there is enough evidence, (and they have all the testimony and know more than we all do) so he could be in deep shit.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

I'm just saying how can Lovett get charged for rape when he didn't actually rape her. How did he know she didn't want it from him?

Cos she was asleep. (according to her)

 

[EVERYHAWKUNITE]

Times are a changing... the woman is not seen as a conniving predator.

It is pretty clear that the idea of no violence against women is catching on.

 

[simba_]

If that is the case, I can't see why the Saints could sack him over it. Yes yes I know there was other reasons, but it is pretty obvious this was the main reason. The whole event has made me respect the Saints even less, and it wasn't all that high before the incident.

you cant see why the saints sacked him for raping gram's girl, is this what you are saying?

 

[cartwright]

I'm just saying how can Lovett get charged for rape when he didn't actually rape her. How did he know she didn't want it from him?

she did not consent to have sex with Andrew Lovett.

She was asleep in Jason Gram's bed. They had been kissing. She did not kiss Andrew Lovett when she was awake.

She claims she woke up with Andrew Lovett having sex with her.
she was not conscious = no consent.

That is rape.

 

[weagles_fan]

Cos she was asleep. (according to her)

And I think that is a lie from the quotes I have read that's my opinion.

she did not consent to have sex with Andrew Lovett.

She was asleep in Jason Gram's bed. They had been kissing. She did not kiss Andrew Lovett when she was awake.

She claims she woke up with Andrew Lovett having sex with her.
she was not conscious = no consent.

That is rape.

From what I know I believe she is lying about the being asleep part. I bet she was awake because of the light she couldn't see who it was so she just assumed it was Gram and she didn't tell Lovett no so why should he stop if he wants it?

 

[Defacto]

Consent is before and during, not 10 minutes after.

This is a cosmic waste of taxpayer money, beyond all reasonable doubt, tell me how any jury could say there was no doubt she gave consent before/during, she didn't even know who she was in bed with.

i think your misinformed. you need to read the following link:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...ile-she-slept-court-hears-20100810-11y8b.html

the evidence quite clearly states:
"The two women ran down the stairs to leave. The woman's friend added that in a taxi ride home, the complainant repeatedly said, ''I was asleep and he r*ped me … I kept saying no'', and that Lovett said, ''Why not, you're a sexy bitch?"

And since when did you have to know who the person is to say no during or before sex. no is no, regardless of who the person is.

 

[peppy la pew]

And I think that is a lie from the quotes I have read that's my opinion.

From what I know I believe she is lying about the being asleep part. I bet she was awake because of the light she couldn't see who it was so she just assumed it was Gram and she didn't tell Lovett no so why should he stop if he wants it?

Give it up you ****ing idiot, you were not there and have NFI.

Stop making shit up, this woman was r*ped and will have her day in court

 

[cartwright]

And I think that is a lie from the quotes I have read that's my opinion.

From what I know I believe she is lying about the being asleep part. I bet she was awake because of the light she couldn't see who it was so she just assumed it was Gram and she didn't tell Lovett no so why should he stop if he wants it?

ok, if you want to troll a thread about rape go right ahead.

grow up.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I hope its all a misunderstanding and he gets cleared. Always a tragedy to see people piss their lives away

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

And too the pepole trolling a rape thread. You people are messed up

 

[pacemaker]

My Lawyers know his lawyers, they are pretty good. I expect him to get off.

 

[weagles_fan]

Give it up you ****ing idiot, you were not there and have NFI.

Stop making shit up, this woman was r*ped and will have her day in court

Do you have information that that public doesn't? I always thought it was allegedly r*ped?

ok, if you want to troll a thread about rape go right ahead.

grow up.

That's my opinion and in due course it will either be proven right or wrong.

 

[cartwright]

Do you have information that that public doesn't? I always thought it was allegedly r*ped?

That's my opinion and in due course it will either be proven right or wrong.

are you 12?
your opinion is "why should he stop if he wants it"????

your parents should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Defacto]

some of the posts in this thread disturb me.

 

[pacemaker]

some of the posts in this thread disturb me.

I would get my lawyers on to it but it doesn't effect me. I will leave this one to you.

 

[weagles_fan]

are you 12?
your opinion is "why should he stop if he wants it"????

your parents should be ashamed of themselves.

If she hasn't said no then why should he stop? Surely by her not saying anything it is implied consent yes?

 

[Defacto]

If she hasn't said no then why should he stop? Surely by her not saying anything it is implied consent yes?

its reported that she did say no countless time, and he responded with "why not you're a sexy chick".