thylacine60
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He's so slow.
Analysis Lygon's Blues, Coffee & Brews
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I heard Jamo at the end of last season saying how great it would be to get another tall defender in to the club. Usually that would mean competition but in his case it is welcome help that may prolong his career. Given Weitering is an intercept specialist that will give Jamo a chop out ... even better.
I'd like some commentary on 'coffee and brews' please. It might be the motivating factor.
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This one I can answer right away... Carlton Coffee & Brews:
Starting w/ coffee (including the cold drip) our house recommendations consist of: D.O.C Espresso (no doubt named after Sam), The Vertue Of The Coffee Drink, Seven Seeds, Campos Coffee, Vincent The Dog, Green Park, Trotter's Restaurant, Briscola Espresso, and Middle Fish to name a few.
The best venues where we like to enjoy a cold one are: Markov, The Lincoln Hotel, The Alehouse (although technically Brunswick), The Curtin, and The Great Northern, as well as a few of the venues listed above in the coffee section.
Hope this keeps you buzzed for a little while RMB.
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Unless his body fully breaks down and he chooses to retire, I can see major benefits of him playing on. Even if he plays only 10-15 games, he is easily the best choice in terms of someone to help mentor the young guys both on the track and off. He is getting on in age though so it's a big call.
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So we're back for the next stage but I wanted to give you all a little background on where these opinions hail from. For the sake of keeping it relevant I will leave out the bios for the average Jo's like myself.
*All names may or may not be actually those of the people mentioned below. They have been added purposely for the ease of the writer which is me, and the readers who are you. These names may re-appear in various segments on this post throughout the year and I will endeavour to strive for continuity.
Tom: Is a senior coach of a reputable APS firsts football team and has been at the helm for several years in which a fair few of his players have made it onto AFL clubs lists.
Mike: Is an assistant coach at another reputable APS school and also works with the Victorian state youth teams.
Jim: Has been a rural-ish head coach where he has worked for almost 5 years and previously as a development coach at an AFL club.
Charlie: Was drafted in early 2000's and has spent time on two AFL lists. Injuries halted his career and he now works in physiotherapy
Oliver: Is another draftee this time taken up in the rookie draft. Spent 3 seasons at an AFL club before being delisted. Still plays club footy and is working currently on his coaching accreditation.
But now it's time for the continuation of PART 1 - LIST MANAGEMENT.
#1(ii) - KPF
Overall, I'm pretty happy with where this section of the ground is progressing. We addressed it head on in last years draft and there have been some positive signs from all the new draftees.
At the beginning of the 2017 season Andrejs Everitt will be aged 28, Levi Casboult 27, Liam Jones 26, Jayden Foster 22, Charlie Curnow 20, Jack Silvagni 19, and Harry McKay 19.
Having drafted heavily in 2015, this area is one that will take time and patience.
Liam Jones - Okay, let's start with the positive that he seems to have stepped up his intensity over the NAB games he has been involved in.
He was drafted by the Bulldogs in 2008 with pick #32 before moving to Carlton in 2014 for pick #46 (Caleb Daniel).
Now for the negative points and this one gets to all of us. His stats didn't represent anything of god like quality so why was Malthouse cutting down the list and getting top up depth players like this. He played 66 games at the Bulldogs over 5 seasons for a score total of 68.40. At Carlton, he has played 9 games with a score of 7.9 and at the Northern Blues his statistics aren't any more flattering with his scoring 13 goals from 12 games. The humorous part to that is he scored 6 in one outing. As much as I would like to see him prove me wrong I believe my faith in him has waned to the point of extinction. Farewell Liam Jones.
Jayden Foster - This guy I'm actually happy to persevere with. I really just wished to fill up the colours. Hasn't really stepped up as yet but is still very young and has needed that development time to try improve his game. Verdict is far from out but he should be hoping to get some decent runs on the board soon so as not to get left behind by our new draftees. In all honesty though I only see Harry McKay as his main rival as Curnow looks the goods in the midfield and Silvagni I see in more the Walker mould.
Andrejs Everitt - Once again happy for him to remain in the side as has proven to be a reasonably difficult player to match up on. Offers us a certain versatility as well which has become vital in the modern game. The only reason I have highlighted him is due to GC enquiring about him last year. Either way, I hope he has a blinder this year for whatever the result.
Far from necessary with the group we have coming through but I would still contemplate bringing in one of these players. All info is based on coming into the 2017 season.
THE GUY(s) WITH IMMEDIATE IMPACT
Jesse Hogan (MEL - 22yo - 1.95m) - This guy is contracted to the end of 2017 and would cost us the world via trade. He is already a superstar of the game and probably attract another 20,000 members just off his signing.
Jack Gunston (HAW) - 25yo - 1.93m) - Once again would be a costly acquisition initially but has proven he can play. Has elite fitness levels and knows where the goals are.
Tom Lynch (GCS - 24yo -1.99m) - Hasn't set the world on fire just yet but definitely shown that he has what it talkes. Is also versatile in that he can play Ruck as well.
ALTERNATIVELY (to team up with McKay & Silvagni for the next 10 years)
Jack Watts (MEL - 25yo - 1.96m - Recruited #1 in 2008) - Another who was highly touted as a superstar early on in his career yet never seemed to quite reach the heights. He's a restricted free agent this year so may be worth the look in although its doubtful that Melbourne wouldn't match.
Thanks for reading and for any comments you post or discussions you wish to have. Follow to stay tuned for the next section in the list management part. #1(iii) - RUCK STOCKS
*All names may or may not be actually those of the people mentioned below. They have been added purposely for the ease of the writer which is me, and the readers who are you. These names may re-appear in various segments on this post throughout the year and I will endeavour to strive for continuity.
Tom: Is a senior coach of a reputable APS firsts football team and has been at the helm for several years in which a fair few of his players have made it onto AFL clubs lists.
Mike: Is an assistant coach at another reputable APS school and also works with the Victorian state youth teams.
Jim: Has been a rural-ish head coach where he has worked for almost 5 years and previously as a development coach at an AFL club.
Charlie: Was drafted in early 2000's and has spent time on two AFL lists. Injuries halted his career and he now works in physiotherapy
Oliver: Is another draftee this time taken up in the rookie draft. Spent 3 seasons at an AFL club before being delisted. Still plays club footy and is working currently on his coaching accreditation.
But now it's time for the continuation of PART 1 - LIST MANAGEMENT.
#1(ii) - KPF
Overall, I'm pretty happy with where this section of the ground is progressing. We addressed it head on in last years draft and there have been some positive signs from all the new draftees.
At the beginning of the 2017 season Andrejs Everitt will be aged 28, Levi Casboult 27, Liam Jones 26, Jayden Foster 22, Charlie Curnow 20, Jack Silvagni 19, and Harry McKay 19.
Having drafted heavily in 2015, this area is one that will take time and patience.
Liam Jones - Okay, let's start with the positive that he seems to have stepped up his intensity over the NAB games he has been involved in.
He was drafted by the Bulldogs in 2008 with pick #32 before moving to Carlton in 2014 for pick #46 (Caleb Daniel).
Now for the negative points and this one gets to all of us. His stats didn't represent anything of god like quality so why was Malthouse cutting down the list and getting top up depth players like this. He played 66 games at the Bulldogs over 5 seasons for a score total of 68.40. At Carlton, he has played 9 games with a score of 7.9 and at the Northern Blues his statistics aren't any more flattering with his scoring 13 goals from 12 games. The humorous part to that is he scored 6 in one outing. As much as I would like to see him prove me wrong I believe my faith in him has waned to the point of extinction. Farewell Liam Jones.
Jayden Foster - This guy I'm actually happy to persevere with. I really just wished to fill up the colours. Hasn't really stepped up as yet but is still very young and has needed that development time to try improve his game. Verdict is far from out but he should be hoping to get some decent runs on the board soon so as not to get left behind by our new draftees. In all honesty though I only see Harry McKay as his main rival as Curnow looks the goods in the midfield and Silvagni I see in more the Walker mould.
Andrejs Everitt - Once again happy for him to remain in the side as has proven to be a reasonably difficult player to match up on. Offers us a certain versatility as well which has become vital in the modern game. The only reason I have highlighted him is due to GC enquiring about him last year. Either way, I hope he has a blinder this year for whatever the result.
Far from necessary with the group we have coming through but I would still contemplate bringing in one of these players. All info is based on coming into the 2017 season.
THE GUY(s) WITH IMMEDIATE IMPACT
Jesse Hogan (MEL - 22yo - 1.95m) - This guy is contracted to the end of 2017 and would cost us the world via trade. He is already a superstar of the game and probably attract another 20,000 members just off his signing.
Jack Gunston (HAW) - 25yo - 1.93m) - Once again would be a costly acquisition initially but has proven he can play. Has elite fitness levels and knows where the goals are.
Tom Lynch (GCS - 24yo -1.99m) - Hasn't set the world on fire just yet but definitely shown that he has what it talkes. Is also versatile in that he can play Ruck as well.
ALTERNATIVELY (to team up with McKay & Silvagni for the next 10 years)
- Peter Wright (GCS - 20yo - 2.03m)
- Darcy Moore (COL - 20yo - 2m)
- Paddy McCartin (StK - 20yo - 1.94m)
- Tom Boyd (WB - 21yo - 2.01m)
- Josh Battle (19yo - 1.94m)
- Luke Strnadica (19yo - 1.99m)
- Jarrod Korewha (19yo - 1.92m)
Jack Watts (MEL - 25yo - 1.96m - Recruited #1 in 2008) - Another who was highly touted as a superstar early on in his career yet never seemed to quite reach the heights. He's a restricted free agent this year so may be worth the look in although its doubtful that Melbourne wouldn't match.
Thanks for reading and for any comments you post or discussions you wish to have. Follow to stay tuned for the next section in the list management part. #1(iii) - RUCK STOCKS
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I wrote in the Dec about Foster at the Gold Coast training camp.
The guy looked, moved and marked like a world beater but from what I can see has barely been even noticed in every other training report or report out of the club.
Poster Bluesfest was of the same opinion.
Anyone else noticed his pre-season work?
The guy looked, moved and marked like a world beater but from what I can see has barely been even noticed in every other training report or report out of the club.
Poster Bluesfest was of the same opinion.
Anyone else noticed his pre-season work?
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I have a question about Gunston.
At hawthorn he has always been the second forward and a member of a functioning multiprong forward line.
How would he go in our forward line give he would be the main focus of the defence.
At hawthorn he has always been the second forward and a member of a functioning multiprong forward line.
How would he go in our forward line give he would be the main focus of the defence.
When analysing our list profile, Watts is a bloody intriguing option. Maligned, debated and not deemed by many as a high profile target, he offers that mid aged player to help balance our list profile.
We are looking like having Charlie, Harry and Jack joining Levi as our tall forwards within two years. It is easy to see why Tomlinson was such a sought after target. Tommo won't come cheap, will cost at very least our second rounder and a player (if they wanted one), most likely a downgrade of our first pick. The boys will be inconsistent for a few years yet and need a "foil".
Watts is a free agent, his best is very good (yes, I know his worst). We have shown a willingness to trade for, or pick up DFA speculative types who have not reached their potential. As a free agent he does not erode our picks. We can draft top end talent, particularly mids with our first two picks and any others SOS may be able to "pull out of his butt".
The other advantage of Watts is that he can play in defence, outside mid, flank, virtually anywhere. Despite not realising his potential, he has far more runs on the board than any of our recent trades. Our list profile and TPP status would allow a front ended contract in the upper mid price range when it has little impact.
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Really like putting some background to the participants. They become characters in a blog that we can relate to.
I really took notice of these reports. Our Victorian trackwatchers rarely mention him. Harker has alluded on multiple occasions that he will be lucky to survive another year of culling. I find this disconcerting. We now seemingly have some decent development coaches. Foster's first season was punctuated by injury, so is not much further along than a first year and only 20. Corey Gault at Collingwood is just pushing hard for a spot in their forward line, well in to his 23rd year, 25 yo Schoenmakers has just established himself as a best 22 player. McInnes at the Eagles is in his 5th year after a solid block of 7 games last year waiting for his opportunity, Boyd is the same age as Foster(team mates at TAC, I believe with Foster topping the goal kicking), he is being given more time to justify a big pay cheque despite being drafted a year earlier. Josh Jenkins another late starter after being made a Bomber rookie at 21 before his move to Adelaide.
Foster can play at both ends. Our list profile is almost devoid of mid aged players, not much more than kids and veterans. If we keep dumping our developing players, we will never get that paddle to get out of sh1t creek. I fully understand pulling the trigger on a flanker or outside mid type after two seasons if they have not shown enough to go on with, just not dumping a KPP nowhere near maturity. Even if he just spends three years as a (viable) back up swingman, it will benefit our profile and list balance enormously.
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You make an interesting point. During the home and away season last year he played every game and finished with a score sheet of 52.33. On three occasions he failed to score a goal and on four occasions failed to score multiple. Its hard to evaluate as Hawthorns main target man in Roughhead works also in the ruck and moves up the ground. From the footage I have been reviewing to help answer this post I find he performs reasonably well under the sole forward role.
I guess the answer to your question is he would be no saviour and probably would struggle at times. The key thing to remember though is that he would then take the heat off Casboult and the younger guys whilst still slotting two or three goals a game. He also has great consistency in making it onto the park so in terms of those things above I believe he would be a valuable asset to any club.
When you meet up with the Secret Society, what the hell are you all imbibing ??
You say we should contemplate getting one of Hogan or Boyd (both are million dollar men) and if that fails, get that supreme over-achiever Jack Watts. I have never read anything so bizarre in all my life, especially trying to compare Hogan with Watts, the gulf between them is deeper than Sydney Harbour.
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Are you able to address people who at least give it a go with a little less aggression ... like is it at all possible? You don't have to agree but let's not belittle people.
Also where was the Hogan and Watt comparison? They were just in the same post as far as I could see.
I'm not belittling anyone, just trying to understand at what point of the Society's meetings do they come up with their theories ??
THE GUY(s) WITH IMMEDIATE IMPACT
Jesse Hogan
ALTERNATIVELY (to team up with McKay & Silvagni for the next 10 years)
Tom Boyd
LAST RESORT RFA/UFA (and because they are CHEAP at least in pick sense)
Jack Watts
So let's go for Hogan but if that falls over, we should settle for Watts is the way I have read all of that.
thylacine60
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There really does seem to be at least 2 Sheiks posting at times. One considered, approachable, informative. The other..........oh no wait, that's me.
I think the term 'last resort' is pretty key...
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Tomate-o, tomart-o lets call the whole thing off.
Never compared their talent though. Seemed to look at gun talls and separately looked at low cost options.
I would like to think we have moved on from being so desperate & dateless that we would entertain the thought of recruiting Jack Watts.
After all the heavy-lifting we did over the off-season and resulting player turnover, a recruiting move like that would completely fly in the face of what was just achieved.
I agree we should be keeping an eye on what key position players may shake loose around the competition but those looked at should meet some serious criteria and one of them would be "can play & wants to play" which would rule Watts out immediately.
Have you been imbibing with the Society tonight too ??
Talent should be the first thing that is considered, recruiting potential list-cloggers shouldn't be.
thylacine60
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One of these responses is not like the other one......
You're seeing things again.
thylacine60
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Shutup, Harvey.......
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For the sake that you obviously have failed to read the thread from the beginning I will repost just for you.
"I understand that we are at the very beginning of our rebuild and agree with everyone in that we need to blood our youngsters to give them a taste of first football. Having said that, I still believe it is essential for an older core of player so as to not overwork and burn out these young players coming through.
I wanted to highlight a couple of players that I believe could prove worthwhile acquisitions by the club via a possible trade, the draft, players out of contract or free agency..... Obviously with such a young list there may be more outgoing players than those coming in as the younger guys step up."
In no way shape of form have I made any mention of comparing these players together. This society that you refer to us as, simply sat down and each put up a few players for discussion that could help the club on rising up the ladder. I rate Hogan a lot higher than both Gunston and Lynch but grouped them together as all three could make an immediate impact.
I actually rate both Wright and Moore equal if not higher than Boyd also so lets forget the million dollar tag for a second.
All the above players as stated would cost us in draft picks as well as in the wallet.
Jack Watts however is a restricted free agent and seeing as we are at the beginning of our rebuild, a positive in acquiring him would be he only costs the club $$$.
If you aren't a fan of him that is fine, and in all honesty he wouldn't be my first choice.
Anyway, I'm very happy my post was seen so provocative and sparked you into joining the debate. Secret Society out!
