Preview Match Sim v North @ AIA - Wed Feb 21st. 10am. 4x25min

[Black_White]

Norf really showed that they been coached in the “Collingwood” way.
Hard running on turnover and using open spaces to progress the footy quickly.
In a couple of weeks time we will take to the field a lot better manned than today. And even if Norf play the Collingwood way, only one team will run out with this on their chest;

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Norf really showed that they been coached in the “Collingwood” way.
Hard running on turnover and using open spaces to progress the footy quickly.
In a couple of weeks time we will take to the field a lot better manned than today. And even if Norf play the Collingwood way, only one team will run out with this on their chest;



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2010 ?

They'll all be trying to copy our way this year.

Hopefully Fly has plenty of other tricks up his sleeve.

 

[partypie]

Eyre when comes back real go past Frampton real quick

A inanimate carbon rod is a solid chance to go past Frampton real quick, based on today's effort.

 

[Black_White]

2010 ?

They'll all be trying to copy our way this year.

Hopefully Fly has plenty of other tricks up his sleeve.

Well it’s the only one I could find with B&W background.
Would have loved a 2011 or 2018…..

 

[partypie]

The old microwave gone out of fashion as a method of destruction?

That's the Richmond way, we can't afford to blow up our microwaves yearly, mostly due to the fact the the bulk of our memberships aren't of the 20-bucks-to-sign-up-your-cavoodle variety...

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

A inanimate carbon rod is a solid chance to go past Frampton real quick, based on today's effort.

Out of curiosity, what were you expecting today?
No doubt he lowered his colours 1v1.

But if you think we do well this year with our defenders 1v1…then you probably need to review how we play.
1v1 is the last thing we want. So my comment would be around why he was left 1v1 more than how he performed.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Yes he did Jen.

Sorry, but IMO that’s a bad take.

His role was to compete and bring it to ground. He did that very well. Often outnumbered.

If we role up with him playing fwd this year, I’m comfortable he does his job.

Strong under the contest and doesn’t get outmarked. That’s his gig.

How do you know that was his role? Is it also not possible that his role was to take marks and kick some goals with a secondary role to create a contest? I think we should be expecting more from a key forward than merely bringing the ball to the ground. It's about all we expect of Frampton, but if that is all McStay did he'd be lucky to get a game.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I thought so too. Not going to get on the end of it as much as Johnson or Reef, but might be able to do McStays core role better than either of them.

I'd rather play Johnson in McStay's stead. I'd much prefer a CHF capable of marking and kicking or setting up goals. Kreuger needs to do more. We've had Cox and Cameron playing the 'stick your hand in the air and bring the ball to ground' role and it's simply not enough for a team seeking a 2nd premiership.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

A inanimate carbon rod is a solid chance to go past Frampton real quick, based on today's effort.

How dare you speak like that about a premiership player!

 

[partypie]

Out of curiosity, what were you expecting today?
No doubt he lowered his colours 1v1.

But if you think we do well this year with our defenders 1v1…then you probably need to review how we play.
1v1 is the last thing we want. So my comment would be around why he was left 1v1 more than how he performed.

Not a whole lot to be honest and that hasn't changed much since we drafted him. Had one or two somewhat promising games last year where he showed some signs of possibly becoming a competent defender, but he certainly hasn't gone on with it.

This crap about team defending and not needing to be at least somewhat competent defending in a 1v1 contest is just that, crap. Playing down back an inability to defend 1v1 at a critical moment can be the difference between winning and losing, so if Frampton can't manage it then he will end up being a liability, not an asset.

Not writing him off yet, but he has a lot of work to do if he wants to sign another contract after 2025.

 

[stormskye]

the way we setup defence if we lose the midfield battle easily KPF always get a hold of us and kick bags. We play team defence, not 1 v 1 hugging a player. Larkey kicked a bag against us last season. As did many KPf’s.

We tend to guard space more than players and if there’s a quick turn over we can get caught out.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

How do you know that was his role? Is it also not possible that his role was to take marks and kick some goals with a secondary role to create a contest? I think we should be expecting more from a key forward than merely bringing the ball to the ground. It's about all we expect of Frampton, but if that is all McStay did he'd be lucky to get a game.

Sorry TGG. But game has changed.
Intercept marks are king.
So ALL tall fwds would have their KPI as “take the mark”, “don’t get outmarked “.

The old spoil is a win to fwds unless it either goes out of bounds or hits a defender.

Anything other than a defensive mark is a win to the fwd. that’s how we play and that’s how AFL is.

The whole idea of a HPF taking marks everywhere is fantasy. Halve the contest.

Edit: that’s exactly what McStay did last year. Never got beaten. It’s massive these days.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Not a whole lot to be honest and that hasn't changed much since we drafted him. Had one or two somewhat promising games last year where he showed some signs of possibly becoming a competent defender, but he certainly hasn't gone on with it.

This crap about team defending and not needing to be at least somewhat competent defending in a 1v1 contest is just that, crap. Playing down back an inability to defend 1v1 at a critical moment can be the difference between winning and losing, so if Frampton can't manage it then he will end up being a liability, not an asset.

Not writing him off yet, but he has a lot of work to do if he wants to sign another contract after 2025.

That’s a very narrow and outdated view.

Let’s say the ball comes to Frampton 10 times in a match. How many would you expect to be 1v1?

I would say if it’s more than 2, we’ve failed as a defence.
So if he wins 50% of those, it’s great.
Today it was more in the 4-6 range. Which means our defence failed.

1v1 is a disaster. We’re extremely lucky we have legit elite 1v1 defenders (who save our bacon more than not).

What Frampton did today would be more aligned with industry average.

 

[legendstatus]

Like… I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. We were missing something like 12 premiership players today and most of them would be in our top 15.
It was literally a training run for us, we had nothing to play for outside of avoiding injuries. You’re reading way too much in to it.

The one Qtr where we had any resemblance of a good side is when we outplayed them and lead by a few goals

Just sayin, it was less than a practice game for us

I was right next to the Norf team as they walked off / on at Halftime and it was like they were in a final

 

[Apex36]

Agree. I thought he looked completely at the level when he played.
Clean, decisive and wasn’t fazed by the speed.
Easily looks likely to play this year and already jumped ahead of others IMO.

Context is needed for the level here, because todays game was only a fraction above vfl level with a lower intensity.

 

[manicpie]

Out of curiosity, what were you expecting today?
No doubt he lowered his colours 1v1.

But if you think we do well this year with our defenders 1v1…then you probably need to review how we play.
1v1 is the last thing we want. So my comment would be around why he was left 1v1 more than how he performed.

Pretty sure Larkey kicked 6 against us last year, it happens. I would go as far as saying that we don't mind if a KF gets hold of us as long as we maintain our structures and be ready to pounce on any errant balls so we can do what we do best and that's slice them up on the rebound. Also, other sides having a dominant target makes it easier for our defenders to set up

 

[joff]

My Biggest Postive for me was Hill and Schultz

They played very well and was our 2 best players for the Whole Game

Yea Schultz looks like a great pickup for us and Bobby is looking like he's an a grader this season he's got the moves the lad super impressive

 

[partypie]

That’s a very narrow and outdated view.

Let’s say the ball comes to Frampton 10 times in a match. How many would you expect to be 1v1?

I would say if it’s more than 2, we’ve failed as a defence.
So if he wins 50% of those, it’s great.
Today it was more in the 4-6 range. Which means our defence failed.

1v1 is a disaster. We’re extremely lucky we have legit elite 1v1 defenders (who save our bacon more than not).

What Frampton did today would be more aligned with industry average.

Not at all, there are literally hundreds of momentary 1v1 contests down back, even in a game where having players "defending" space and intercepting is king.

The ability of defenders to maintain focus and still keep their opponent in check when the team structure does break down or even just when the opposing midfield gets a free run through the middle is where games are won or lost nowadays, the rest of what you see is basically a game of volleyball especially if the two teams involved are relatively evenly matched.

A good defender in today's game is one who can defend 1v1 when they have to, both within the team defensive structure and when it breaks down resulting in a actual 1v1 contest.

Feel free to argue with me on that if you want but it wont change the fact that a defender needs to be able to actually defend, not just fill space and hope that someone else comes over to chop them out in every contest.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Context is needed for the level here, because today’s game was only a fraction above vfl level with a lower intensity.

In some ways you’re correct.
But in the context of how he looked compared to his teammates (also VFl level)….miles above. Wrong?
Add to that the oppo was afl quality (albeit because north are so young).
So, if you’re taking a 26 year old SSP….youd expect them to be ahead of 21 year olds and be ready to play no?

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Pretty sure Larkey kicked 6 against us last year, it happens. I would go as far as saying that we don't mind if a KF gets hold of us as long as we maintain our structures and be ready to pounce on any errant balls so we can do what we do best and that's slice them up on the rebound. Also, other sides having a dominant target makes it easier for our defenders to set up

Yup that’s fine. He’s there go to man….and he’s very good! No shame in any of that.

We’re not infallible. But today he wasn’t dominant in the sense that he owned us with skill.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Not at all, there are literally hundreds of momentary 1v1 contests down back, even in a game where having players "defending" space and intercepting is king.

The ability of defenders to maintain focus and still keep their opponent in check when the team structure does break down or even just when the opposing midfield gets a free run through the middle is where games are won or lost nowadays, the rest of what you see is basically a game of volleyball especially if the two teams involved are relatively evenly matched.

A good defender in today's game is one who can defend 1v1 when they have to, both within the team defensive structure and when it breaks down resulting in a actual 1v1 contest.

Feel free to argue with me on that if you want but it wont change the fact that a defender needs to be able to actually defend, not just fill space and hope that someone else comes over to chop them out in every contest.

Again out of curiosity;

You do realise how blessed we’ve been in our def last 2 years yeah?

I’m not arguing about our 1v1.
I would suggest pound for pound we league wide best in this space. In fact I don’t even think that’s an argument.

It’s more that we absolutely don’t want this and do everything possible for it not to happen.

With the players we had out, and more importantly how we turned it over, it’s no wonder we were isolated and exposed.

 

[memoryofmchale]

Thoughts:

• Bobby and Lipinski both continued their strong pre season, to me along with Cameron the most likely 'senior' break out players this season.
• Nick and De Goey looked great when they were on the field
• Reef jumps back ahead of Kreuger for a round 1 spot for me after this one
• Fin didnt do enough today, will get another shot next week but I think he will start season in VFL currently
• Ryan looked the pick of the young players early but got beat 1v1 a lot in the 2nd half
• Beau had a rough game, burnt the footy like he did in the GF
• Jiath impressed
• Schultz was very damaging
• Allan was quiet, didnt really notice him
• Frampton had a poor game
• Quaynor wasnt at his best
• Carmichael was poor
• HH showed flashes but disposal let him down
• Sullivan was solid in his minutes

LDU looked very good, I still think he should be a priority for us when he hits FA

I’m not sure why people are criticising Fin. He played in line with the rest of the team. We weren’t going at 100%. This was more a light hitout, test things over, experiment and Fin did just that. His clearance work, contest ability, etc was all very good. Look, people on here expect him to be a BOG every day of the week. That’s not him. But he’s ready for AFL and you’ve got to contextualise his performance today.

What I learnt is that AJ has some footy IQ to catch up on. His lowlight was kicking it to Bobby who was instantly bowled over.

Sullivan looked AFL standard. Stood out more than Bytel. Should play early on.

 

[Kappa]

Jiath looks like a player already. He has the composure, the skill and looks to be athletic. Sullivan was impressive, some very nice kicks and has composure.

Ryan I'm concerned about, just always looks flustered around the ball and is a tad slow.

Macrae Carmichael and Kruger need to really step it up next practice game or they'll get stuck in the VFL again.

Most of the senior players were going through the motions so not worth commenting on.

Steene had some nice moments in the ruck I thought.

Lipinski probably played his best ever game, but it's hard to tell which senior players from either side were trying.

 

[nahnah]

I’m not sure why people are criticising Fin. He played in line with the rest of the team. We weren’t going at 100%. This was more a light hitout, test things over, experiment and Fin did just that. His clearance work, contest ability, etc was all very good. Look, people on here expect him to be a BOG every day of the week. That’s not him. But he’s ready for AFL and you’ve got to contextualise his performance today.

What I learnt is that AJ has some footy IQ to catch up on. His lowlight was kicking it to Bobby who was instantly bowled over.

Sullivan looked AFL standard. Stood out more than Bytel. Should play early on.

Interesting, I don’t think I was overly critical of him, he just didn’t do enough for a player trying to break into the team especially with Lipinski being our best player. If you contextualise (am I using this right?) his spot in the round 1 team it would be at the expense of Lipinski or (very unlikely) Mitchell unless you’re of the opinion they’re gonna change structure/ players roles to fit him in. Lipinski has out performed him and is basically a lock for round 1 it would appear at this point

 

[LuckyLee]

Doesn’t sound like any of the possibles have done enough yet to displace the probables.

Best guess for opening game v GWS relative to our GF team:

OUT: Ginnivan, Frampton, Murphy

IN: Schultz, Johnson, Dean/Frampton


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