Matt Rendell situation thread # 4

[Slippery Pete]

Is this really the path you want to go down?

Not really mate.

But the fact remains boys have vastly different needs, and have been measurable victims of affirmative action in some schools.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Re: Matt Rendell situation thread #3

Whilst the above is true, it should be recognised that some affirmative action plans have been fundamentally flawed in their execution.

I'm sure Alex on Fire will be able to tell you more about boys in schools than I can. Take it away Alex.

How did I get drawn into this?

I've purposely ignored this discussion.

I can pick up on that one SP (but maybe not what you were intending?). My boy was at a QLD state school where the entire philosophy (led by a female principal/2 female deputies and not ONE male teacher) was focussed on helping our girls succeed and the boys were left behind. All the stories they read, all the projects they did, were female based. In grade 4, my son knitted a panda and sewed a teddy bear. Now, I've got no problems with him learning to knit or sew - but could we not make it something relevant to boys? It is clearly an issue in Brisbane schools, where come grade 6, many public schools are almost completely devoid of boy students, as parents have taken their boys out of the public system and moved them in to the private system. We did, and it was the best thing we could have done.

Look, until the national curriculum is fully implemented - I don't know what is or isn't taught in Queensland schools so it's not fair for me to comment but I will run with your comment by saying segregation is a very good thing when it comes to teaching Maths, science, literacy and physical education.

If i'm given the opportunity, I will always segregate the boys and girls in the classroom as it allow for a very different classroom dynamic to take place. Girls learn and are given greater opportunity to succeed when they are in an all girl classroom environment.

However, my own pedagogical approach to learning and curriculum development in my own classroom surrounds fairness and equality for all. I'm pro choice, therefore I make sure everyone had an opportunity to have a choice in what they study, research or investigate. I will always give more than one option for the students to look at and if that means they can do something 'boyish' or 'girlish', then that's find. But they have that choice.

BTW - Do they still have Home Economics and technical studies in year 8,9 and 10 where both genders have to studies subjects suck as cooking, sewing, woodwork, plastics and building?

However, I don't think this was the intended direction you wanted this to take.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Re: Matt Rendell situation thread #3

I don't know one female that does other than my mum who is 60 odd. Stupid thing to be teaching in school anymore, full stop.

Look, it's not about getting children to do 'stupid things', it's bout making sure they have an opportunity to be exposed to as many experiences as they can.

I literally shake my head at some of the shit I have to teach and have arguments with my line manager over it but some students don't have that cultural capital to fall back on. Therefore, it' up to someone to make sure they are.

If that means sewing or cooking a scone, I'll find a way of adding it to an area of the curriculum.

 

[Allefgib]

Here we are with number 4.

 

[RocknRoll]

On the TV commentary they said Mike Sheehan has reported Mifsud will be standing down early next week. They thought he would be unlikely to say such a thing unless he had inside info. Reason given was that Mifsud had lost players' trust.

Now the dust is settling I kind of feel sorry for him. Live and die by the sword, I guess.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Jason Mifsud could still resign from AFL post - Herald Sun

His decision to not meet with Aaron Davey suggests to me that this has cut really deeply with him.

Why wouldn't he meet with Aaron Davey? It just reeks of something off. Like it's because he's lying and meeting with Davey will expose him.

 

[1970crow]

he's got to be lying. the only other option is that davey is lying. davey may well want to white-ant his coach. but he'd have to be an absolute moron to think he could do it by leaking a complete fabrication. given the seriousness of the matter, he'd have to know the truth would come out and the only people in the shite would be him or mifsud.

 

[ManInTheArena]

he's got to be lying. the only other option is that davey is lying. davey may well want to white-ant his coach. but he'd have to be an absolute moron to think he could do it by leaking a complete fabrication. given the seriousness of the matter, he'd have to know the truth would come out and the only people in the shite would be him or mifsud.

Yes and he's been trying to contact Mifsud but can't which is completely bizarre. I don't see why Davey would have tried to contact him from day one if he was the one who was lying. IMO the one lying is the one hiding. Davey also came out immediately with a press conference/release denying he said anything. On face value Mifsud appears to be a complete and utter fraud.

 

[Allefgib]

Sto, if you don't want to go in depth on the barriers to getting past racism that's fine, not exactly fun.
I get what youre saying and I appreciate the experience nikki related to us. The ability to resolve any racial conflict will take both sides being willing to move forward, that's the point I wanted to make. Affirmative action is one possible enabler I guess, I wasnt even considering the situation from that angle when I made my point.

 

[Allefgib]

Yes and he's been trying to contact Mifsud but can't which is completely bizarre. I don't see why Davey would have tried to contact him from day one if he was the one who was lying. IMO the one lying is the one hiding. Davey also came out immediately with a press conference/release denying he said anything. On face value Mifsud appears to be a complete and utter fraud.

Things don't like good for mifsud.
At best he is not cut out for his job.

 

[sworc36]

On the TV commentary they said Mike Sheehan has reported Mifsud will be standing down early next week. They thought he would be unlikely to say such a thing unless he had inside info. Reason given was that Mifsud had lost players' trust.

Now the dust is settling I kind of feel sorry for him. Live and die by the sword, I guess.[/QUOTE
What a total mess this whole situation has been. And what has anyone learnt from it? I just think that Misfud was just another AFL puppet who didnt know what he was getting himself into. My guess is that he was manipulated beyond belief by others (in particular Demetriou and Ali Baba). But confidentiality is a must in a job like his and breach that and doesn't matter how what you have in the bank, your a dead man walking. It just sucks that Matt got caught up in this crap unkowlingly, probably thinking that he can trust Misfud and thought that he was helping when he got stabbed fairly and squarely in the back. The only one who will still keep his job is Demetriou, and he has got a LOT to answer for...

 

[Bicks]

Things don't like good for mifsud.
At best he is not cut out for his job.

The AFL already have two ready made replacements on their payroll, our own Andrew McLeod or Micky O', both held in very high esteem by the public, the indigenous players and the wider footy population.

No brainer IMO!!!

 

[western royboy]

The AFL already have two ready made replacements on their payroll, our own Andrew McLeod or Micky O', both held in very high esteem by the public, the indigenous players and the wider footy population.

No brainer IMO!!!

Crow Folk - many of you have made mention of Andrew McLeod's backing for Jason Mifsud - which is fair enough.

Would your opinion change if you became aware that they were business partners? Because I am led to beleive they are.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Crow Folk - many of you have made mention of Andrew McLeod's backing for Jason Mifsud - which is fair enough.

Would your opinion change if you became aware that they were business partners? Because I am led to beleive they are.

Ours may not but his might.

Would he be interested in replacing his business partner, if what you said is true.

 

[western royboy]

Ours may not but his might.

Would he be interested in replacing his business partner, if what you said is true.

I was told by a reliable source close to Jason that both of them were involved in a player management side business together.

It certainly changed my view on the McLeod statement.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I was told by a reliable source close to Jason that both of them were involved in a player management side business together.

It certainly changed my view on the McLeod statement.

That's the first i've heard of that.

No saying you're not telling the truth but I was under the impression he was helping Nathan Bassett coach at Norwood and doing some Indiginous mentoring for disadvantaged youth in the NT and Adelaide.

He might have some financial interest in that partnership with JM and his part lays in the mentoring area.

 

[RocknRoll]

Crow Folk - many of you have made mention of Andrew McLeod's backing for Jason Mifsud - which is fair enough.

Would your opinion change if you became aware that they were business partners? Because I am led to beleive they are.

What is the name of their company?
Easy enough to check up on if they are both directors.

EDIt - Makes no real difference to me. Andrew clearly respects him either way. Mifsud just acted in an idealistic but ultimately naive and misguided manner IMHO. If he does already have a side business that is a good thing as it gives him other things to concentrate on (he'll need it by the sounds)

 

[Allefgib]

Macca was also supportive of rendell and not quick to pull the trigger on him. He's just a classy bloke.

Mifsud unfortunately appears not to be.

 

[Bicks]

Interesting take on the whole sorry, sordid saga by the Roo in his article on Adelaide Now today....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...-the-terminology/story-fn83zgw9-1226322583506

The relationship between indigenous and non-indigenous is a touchy one.
I personally think the events of the last month have widened the gap between both which is a great shame. The Matt Rendell saga was a disgrace. How a man with 30 years experience in footy can be hung out to dry in the fashion he was is unbelievable.
Why wasn't he counselled before being sacked?
What about his side of the story?
Even if he did say something he regretted why shouldn't he be able to apologise and rephrase what he meant.
After all, the reason he said what he did was to try and improve the length of time that an indigenous player stays in the system.
Now he and others will not dare bring up ideas for fear of being branded in the same way.
How is that going to help anything?
Then last week another bomb was dropped at Melbourne.
Mark Neeld was accused of treating his players differently by giving his non-indigenous players one-on-one meetings and his indigenous players group meetings.
He strongly denies this.
A key to being a good coach is treating all players differently so that he gets the best out them.
That happens all the time in business and in sport.
If it doesn't, the team or business would not operate anywhere near 100 per cent.
There are no racists in football that I know of.
We are all on the same page.
And if there are any we should educate them, counsel them and give them every opportunity to change.
Everyone that I speak to loves watching the indigenous people play our great game.
It wouldn't be the same game without them.
In fact, bring on more of Franklin, Rioli, Betts, Johncock, Yarran, Burgoyne, Goode and McLeod.
I'm sure that's what Matt Rendell was trying to do in his own way - right or wrong.
This whole situation has got out of hand because of the way it was handled in the first place.
People are telling lies and it doesn't smell right.
Unfortunately, I don't think we have heard the end of this.

 

[afc1991]

Mifsud met with and apologised to davey this morning.

 

[western royboy]

Mifsud met with and apologised to davey this morning.

Where did you get that one from?

 

[afc1991]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/132683/default.aspx

 

[Bicks]

Mifsud met with and apologised to davey this morning.

An admissiom of guilt and deceit would be my take on that.....yet he keeps his job!!! JOKE!!!!

 

[afc1991]

Yeah no sympathy for him whatsoever. He's probably hating life right now, good, its called karma.

His actions, the afl and afc's handling, absolutely woeful. I still get as worked up over this as the day the rendell story broke. Loving Triggs head in the sand act too.

 

[Allefgib]

Good to hear a club great agree that Rendell was hung out to dry. Those at the club today can't really comment for a number of reasons. I wonder how many at the club feel that way internally?

The comments re: Neeld sparked in me some thoughts I remember considering strongly when I was pumping up his tyres for our coaching job (so glad I was wrong and they went with sando!).

I distinctly recall Neeld talking about how he managed the midfield group at the pies totally differently to how he managed the backline. The backs had Harry O'Brien, Maxwell etc and used to have long, lenghty meetings disecting things every which way.. (thanks harry, I'm sure his teammates said). The mids with Swan, Pendles and co had very short, sharp 5 minute meetings and then used otherways to share information outside of a meeting.

'Culturally' the mids and backs had different needs so he met them in the way that best suited them.

Would not surprise me in the slightest if there are aspects of his management desires mixed in with the 'reports' coming out about how he managed indigenous and non-indigenous differently. I believe he didn't do explicitly as he has denied - but wouldn't surprise me if there were elements of his style that people have taken advantage of given his history in trying to find the best techniques for each individual, or 'sub-group' of cultures within the broader team.