News Media Thread, 2023: Insightful, Inciteful and Incomptent

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Pavlich puts the boot in - was just on the news complimenting NN's career, then takes a swipe at Eagles management saying NN's announcement was released now to cover up the derby debacle. He stated that clearly there needs to be sweeping changes at the club, but nothing seems to be happening?
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Maybe he is right, I wouldn't put it past self survival mode Teflon Trev
 
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Maybe he is right, I wouldn't put it past self survival mode Teflon Trev
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Well, it is the same point many have been making here on BF...was just surprised by someone taking the muzzle off Pav.
I dont watch that news/sports channel normally, was just flicking through and saw NN, then Pav generously gave us his opinion...
 

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Biased I know, but I'm going the big fella over Jack.

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Buddy, Riewoldt top the class: Ranking the AFL’s retirees​

If the AFL’s retiring class of 2023 was a high school cohort, Lance “Buddy” Franklin would be the valedictorian. Measured over their careers, Franklin is as far ahead of the next player as Sam Kerr in the Matildas in terms of on-field value.

But reticent Franklin would not be delivering the valedictorian’s speech for the class that’s graduating from playing into the real world. The speech would be delivered by the next ranked player, another noted goalkicker and champion – the more effusive Jack Riewoldt.

The gap between Franklin and Riewoldt as performers is as significant as their goal aggregates – Buddy booted 1066 goals, to Jack’s 786 (with one game left). But the margin between Riewoldt and numbers three and four is much slighter, and the difference between the playing careers of Nic Naitanui and Trent Cotchin is a matter of debate and one’s vantage.

Riewoldt’s ranking ahead of Naitanui and his triple-premiership teammate Cotchin is founded on the spearhead’s incredible value and consistency in a more difficult position.

In ranking the departing class of 2023, it is striking that the West Coast Eagles did not extract as much from their club greats, in large part because of durability, compared with Richmond; West Coast arguably left a premiership on the table, which the Tigers grabbed in the 2017-2020 period.
Here’s the pecking order of the retirement class of 2023:

1. Lance Franklin.​

An easy call. Buddy is the player of his generation, a unique figure in the game’s history and player who transformed the fortunes of clubs and the code. A 199-centimetre and 106-kilogram athlete with sublime skills, Buddy is the most electrifying footballer of the past two decades.

2. Jack Riewoldt​

Jack wasn’t as powerful as Tom Hawkins or Franklin, nor as athletic as his cousin Nick Riewoldt, but he read the flight of the footy like few others, played both taller and smaller than his height and possessed an uncanny touch redolent of fellow Tasmanian Peter Hudson. As with Cotchin, he became a more selfless footballer from 2017, in what was a critical cultural shift at Punt Rd.

3. Nic Naitanui​

Natainui was unfortunate to miss the 2018 flag and had many injuries over the past six years. Some observers will say Cotchin achieved more, as a triple-premiership skipper in a team sport. My rejoinder is that Naitanui was the best ruckman of his time and revolutionised ruck work – teams planned against him every week – whereas Cotchin was among many high level midfielders in the competition.

4. Trent Cotchin

Cotchin was a rare player whose impact on team performance rose in 2017 when his possession rate decreased. Always courageous and skilled, he displayed a harder, physical edge, adding Joel Selwood-like traits to a classy tool kit. It is a measure of Cotchin’s career that his 2012 Brownlow Medal – shared with Sam Mitchell after Jobe Watson was stripped of it – is really a secondary feat.

5. Luke Shuey

Like Naitanui, Shuey’s latter years were marred by injury. His influence on games, however, was enormous, as a midfielder with an explosive burst who could win the ball inside and outside. Twice a best and fairest at a powerful club, his Norm Smith Medal in the 2018 grand final against Collingwood franked a superb career, with the absence of an All-Australian jumper the only blemish.

6. Shannon Hurn

Hurn’s ball use and play-reading abilities were elite, as was his on-field leadership – crowned in the 2018 premiership that he skippered. He was one of those defenders whom the opposition was often forced to negate, and he rarely failed in the games that counted most.

7. Ben Cunnington

Cunnington was slow, ungainly in his movement and looked like a country footballer (Cobden). But he just kept winning the ball and his skills were fundamentally sound – one touch, safe overhead and with surprising touch by foot and hand. And tougher than Clint Eastwood.

8. Isaac Smith

He’s in the rarified company with four premiership medals, despite a late start to his career at Hawthorn. Fast, (left) foot-skilled and smart, Smith was important to Hawthorn’s three-peat. Intelligent on and off-field, he made the smartest decision to leave the Hawks for their rivals, a move that led to his Norm Smith Medal last year.

9. Robbie Tarrant

At his best, Tarrant was a cornerstone of North Melbourne’s better teams under Brad Scott and a difficult opponent for the premier key forwards. One of few full-backs to win a best and fairest (2016 and second in 2019, third 2018), his career, too, was plagued by injury, as evident in his twilight at Tigerland.

10. Jack Ziebell

Ziebell’s hallmarks were his bull-at-gate attacks on the ball, his strength in contests and versatility – he could play from the goal square, defence and spent plenty of his time in the middle. His output diminished in the past few years as North foundered.
 

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Tugga27 said:
Biased I know, but I'm going the big fella over Jack.

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Buddy, Riewoldt top the class: Ranking the AFL’s retirees​

If the AFL’s retiring class of 2023 was a high school cohort, Lance “Buddy” Franklin would be the valedictorian. Measured over their careers, Franklin is as far ahead of the next player as Sam Kerr in the Matildas in terms of on-field value.

But reticent Franklin would not be delivering the valedictorian’s speech for the class that’s graduating from playing into the real world. The speech would be delivered by the next ranked player, another noted goalkicker and champion – the more effusive Jack Riewoldt.

The gap between Franklin and Riewoldt as performers is as significant as their goal aggregates – Buddy booted 1066 goals, to Jack’s 786 (with one game left). But the margin between Riewoldt and numbers three and four is much slighter, and the difference between the playing careers of Nic Naitanui and Trent Cotchin is a matter of debate and one’s vantage.

Riewoldt’s ranking ahead of Naitanui and his triple-premiership teammate Cotchin is founded on the spearhead’s incredible value and consistency in a more difficult position.

In ranking the departing class of 2023, it is striking that the West Coast Eagles did not extract as much from their club greats, in large part because of durability, compared with Richmond; West Coast arguably left a premiership on the table, which the Tigers grabbed in the 2017-2020 period.
Here’s the pecking order of the retirement class of 2023:

1. Lance Franklin.​

An easy call. Buddy is the player of his generation, a unique figure in the game’s history and player who transformed the fortunes of clubs and the code. A 199-centimetre and 106-kilogram athlete with sublime skills, Buddy is the most electrifying footballer of the past two decades.

2. Jack Riewoldt​

Jack wasn’t as powerful as Tom Hawkins or Franklin, nor as athletic as his cousin Nick Riewoldt, but he read the flight of the footy like few others, played both taller and smaller than his height and possessed an uncanny touch redolent of fellow Tasmanian Peter Hudson. As with Cotchin, he became a more selfless footballer from 2017, in what was a critical cultural shift at Punt Rd.

3. Nic Naitanui​

Natainui was unfortunate to miss the 2018 flag and had many injuries over the past six years. Some observers will say Cotchin achieved more, as a triple-premiership skipper in a team sport. My rejoinder is that Naitanui was the best ruckman of his time and revolutionised ruck work – teams planned against him every week – whereas Cotchin was among many high level midfielders in the competition.

4. Trent Cotchin​

Cotchin was a rare player whose impact on team performance rose in 2017 when his possession rate decreased. Always courageous and skilled, he displayed a harder, physical edge, adding Joel Selwood-like traits to a classy tool kit. It is a measure of Cotchin’s career that his 2012 Brownlow Medal – shared with Sam Mitchell after Jobe Watson was stripped of it – is really a secondary feat.

5. Luke Shuey​

Like Naitanui, Shuey’s latter years were marred by injury. His influence on games, however, was enormous, as a midfielder with an explosive burst who could win the ball inside and outside. Twice a best and fairest at a powerful club, his Norm Smith Medal in the 2018 grand final against Collingwood franked a superb career, with the absence of an All-Australian jumper the only blemish.

6. Shannon Hurn​

Hurn’s ball use and play-reading abilities were elite, as was his on-field leadership – crowned in the 2018 premiership that he skippered. He was one of those defenders whom the opposition was often forced to negate, and he rarely failed in the games that counted most.

7. Ben Cunnington​

Cunnington was slow, ungainly in his movement and looked like a country footballer (Cobden). But he just kept winning the ball and his skills were fundamentally sound – one touch, safe overhead and with surprising touch by foot and hand. And tougher than Clint Eastwood.

8. Isaac Smith​

He’s in the rarified company with four premiership medals, despite a late start to his career at Hawthorn. Fast, (left) foot-skilled and smart, Smith was important to Hawthorn’s three-peat. Intelligent on and off-field, he made the smartest decision to leave the Hawks for their rivals, a move that led to his Norm Smith Medal last year.

9. Robbie Tarrant​

At his best, Tarrant was a cornerstone of North Melbourne’s better teams under Brad Scott and a difficult opponent for the premier key forwards. One of few full-backs to win a best and fairest (2016 and second in 2019, third 2018), his career, too, was plagued by injury, as evident in his twilight at Tigerland.

10. Jack Ziebell​

Ziebell’s hallmarks were his bull-at-gate attacks on the ball, his strength in contests and versatility – he could play from the goal square, defence and spent plenty of his time in the middle. His output diminished in the past few years as North foundered.
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I think those rankings are spot on. Reiwoldt is a flog but he was an amazingly consistent key forward, who are always much more valuable than a ruck. We won 2018 without Nic but I doubt we'd win if either JK or JD didn't play.
 
I noticed a significant change in tone from Duffield the last few days.

Looks like Dear Leader has nearly won the battle.

I would be bitterly disappointed if there is no other significant changes (beside the coach going). And Nisbett needs to finish up sooner rather than later. I hope it is earlier than end of 2024 as has been proposed…
 
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Why even contemplate sacking him now?
Go through the entire year of s**t and giving the media nothing just to be like "nah * it, lets sack the coach"
Don't believe it for a second.
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He will coach the year out. Send everyone out at once then clear the decks


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What they should be doing is getting Nisbett out first so then fresh eyes can look over everything without judgement and actually see who works and who doesn't. Then if simmo is the right fit then the new CEO can work with him to make changes needed in other depts.
If Simmo isn't the one to go forward with then the New CEO will get to help pick the new Coach.

Feels backwards to have the old CEO that's outgoing to do the new hire and then saddle the new CEO with a coach he/she didn't pick?
 
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